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July 23, 2012 7:18:05 AM

Hello, I've posted before about a issue with my Gigabyte GTX550Ti 1Gb. I've bought a new card it's also a 550Ti but it's a Leadtek Winfast GTX550Ti 2Gb version. I'm having extreme issues with my computer. During any game the game crashes, and it seems to be a graphics card/ driver failure, I put it to sleep turn it back on and it's fine. But now I think I'm having power, motherboard or ram issues. When the computer is off for a time of say 2+ hours it has problems starting up. Constant freezing during boot up, even when it's in the actual login when everything starts to load up, gadgets etc it freezes. I restart and it freezes at another point. I'm suspecting the motherboard and I've got a new one on the way an ASRock 990FX Extreme 3 and 16Gb of DDR3 G.Skill ram. Earlier today I turned it on everything seemed fine, I was going to check some online things and then the performance dropped to lagging point even in browser with nothing else opened. Then it crashed so I restarted.. then nothing. I got power but nothing came up, tried to restart several times, switched it completely off from the power supply, still nothing. I made sure all the connections were in properly and nothing was loose. Then 5 hours later to this time, I finally got it working after at least 8 times of restarting and leaving it off completely from the power supply for 10 minutes. It's working okay-ish now. Could it be something wrong with the motherboard or? It's really irritating me and I just want to get down to the problem, I've even loaded fail safe defaults in the bios and it still froze when it says "windows starting".
a c 435 V Motherboard
July 23, 2012 1:37:56 PM

What is your power supply make and model number?
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July 23, 2012 5:48:26 PM

I've had two power supplies in it. First off I had a Seasonic M12II 520W Modular PSU, now I have a APower P4-A860 860W. No differences in freezing etc, it's just gotten worse over the time.
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a b V Motherboard
July 23, 2012 10:17:45 PM

Have you ever actually turned OFF the PC?
How much free space do you have on the hard drive?

It could be the thermal paste between the CPU and heat sink has somehow dried up otherwise, it could be a lack of free space avaiable or it could be a fault in the ram or it could be any numberr of things.

Do you use a water pump cooler?

Do you use virtual drives like Virtual Pc or similar?
What size is your hard drive? Is it SSD or PATA or Sata?


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July 23, 2012 11:01:20 PM

Yes I have many times. I've done ram tests and there has been no errors and my hard drives the performance and health are full. They each have 10Gb plus free space. Apart from my external which has 150Gb or so free space. I use aftermarket air cooling. Thermal paste is newly applied on both VGA and CPU. I have had virtual drivers from power ISO. My windows and 2 storage hard drives are all 160Gb because my other drives have blown up, my external is also 1Tb. Windows is IDE, the other 2 are SATA and my external is USB 2.0.
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a b V Motherboard
July 23, 2012 11:20:17 PM

10gb free space for the Primary drive (the OS drive) is not enough, you need a minimum of 15% free space for good performance.

Virtual drives use up 2gb of ram.

What speed ram are you using?

What size case? You'd need at least a midi case to ensure proper ventilation as well as 2 fans.
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July 24, 2012 10:10:26 AM

Yeah it's a mid tower, and the cooling is really good in it, more than enough fans and all facing proper and no wires going every where. The thing is, in the whole time of owning a computer which was since I was little, I've never had this problem. This isn't to do with the hard drives, because even if my hard drives blew up and I know they are healthy it would still start up to the posting. Sometimes it doesn't even make it to that, sometimes my keyboard and mouse don't get power to them, because when my computer is off but not off at the PSU then my mouse still has the red glow inside it.
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July 24, 2012 10:11:30 AM

Each ram stick is 400 MHz each, which is also strange isn't that DDR1 speed?
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July 24, 2012 10:12:46 AM

It's like my motherboard has underclocked my memory and graphics card.
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a b V Motherboard
July 24, 2012 10:28:31 AM

What else do you have connected to the powerboard? A heater? A TV? A hair drier? An electric lawn mower? haha jk, well sort of, if you got too many appliances on the one powerboard, it could drain the power away from the PC.

It sounds like there is not enough power being provided.

Firstly, what you should do, is, go into BIOS then check the time and date to see if it is current. then check the PC Health temps then Save & Exit. Even if you don't change anything, sometimes a BIOS needs a good SAVE whenever something is changed or reseated in the case.

16gb of ram is that 4 x 4gb? Are they all of the same speed, make and model?
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a c 435 V Motherboard
July 24, 2012 12:52:03 PM

If you haven't tried it yet, go into the bios and use the "manual" setting for the ram. Set the timings and voltage to your original ram specs and see if you get more stability. On some bios, the speed will be half; 1600 will be set as 800; not familiar with your asrock; my ddr3 settings are true, ranging from 800 to 1333, the top setting.
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July 24, 2012 4:15:07 PM

I've unplugged 2 hard drives and kept windows hard drive running, unplugged the dvd drive and 2 fans still same problem. I'm still using the Gigabyte MA770-UD3 motherboard. The 860W power supply should be enough though? It was running fine on the 520W power supply but then problems occured say 6 months into using it. Time and date are current and PC health temps are all perfectly normal. I'm still using my 6Gb of ram, 2 are different but I didn't have any problems with that either, I've done mem tests and they come back with no errors, it's only started happening recently way after I've changed to the 520W and the 2 different ram modules. They are all 800 MHz though but now they are all underclocked to 400 MHz. Same with my graphics card that got underclocked. The normal specs of the GPU is:
Core Clock 970 MHz
Shader Clock 1940 MHz
Memory Clock 4200MHz

Right now they are at
Core Clock 952 MHz
Shader Clock 1904 MHz
Memory Clock 1795 MHz

I've even tried overclocking the memory to it's full performance but it only hits a max of 2560 MHz, now it's only maxing at 2160 MHz.
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July 24, 2012 4:17:54 PM

And also that isn't on power saving how they underclock themselves till they need the full performance. This tends to underclock to:
Core Clock 50 MHz
Shader Clock 101 MHz
Memory Clock 135 MHz

On 2D desktop it goes to:
Core Clock 405 MHz
Shader Clock 810 MHz
Memory Clock 324 MHz
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a b V Motherboard
July 24, 2012 7:27:36 PM

6gb of ram is like 2 x 1gb + 2 x 2gb, just use the 2 x 2gb of ram.

Ram problems sometimes don't show until you change some hardware like a PSU.
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a b V Motherboard
July 24, 2012 7:43:48 PM

Do you have the 8-pin powerconnector inserted on the motherboard?
I've never seen a 520 watt PSU that would have the 8-pin connector, included.
What CPU Processor are you using?

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme3/?cat=Spec...

Why are you using an IDE hdd for your operating system on such a high powered motherboard?

What is your OS? x32/x64?

What other details are you leaving out? Like sound card? A network card? Any old hardware more suited to a Pentium 4?
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July 26, 2012 9:29:27 AM

As I said, I'm not using the ASRock 990FX extreme 3 yet. My gigabyte MA770-UD3 is in use, and it's a 4 pin connector and yes it's plugged in. I'm using an AMD Phenom II X4 840 AM3 overclocked to 3.7GHz but I've set the clock to default to see any change and there isn't any. I'm running x64 OS, and I use onboard sound, onboard network card. Here is the full setup including peripherals.

Motherboard: Gigabye MA770-UD3
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 840
Ram: Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 1Gbx2 - Kingston PC2-6400 2Gbx2 (Happens when I have 4 Corsairs installed)
PSU: APower 860W P4-A860 (Tried it with a Seasonic M12II 520W same problems)
GPU: Leadtek Winfast GTX550Ti 2Gb (Same problems occured with Gigabyte GTX550Ti 1Gb)
Hardrives:
Western Digital WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 160Gb
Western Digital WD1600AAJS-00PSA0 160Gb
Western Digital WD1600JS-75NCB2 160Gb - Windows
Western Digital WD10EAVS-00D7B1 1Tb external
Mouse: Razer Deathadder Dragon Age II Edition
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa
Headphones: Turtlebeach Earforce P11
Speakers: Logitech X530 5.1
Monitor BenQ FP202W
Disk drive: KD3328G NEN870B SCSI
Cooling:
1x80mm exhaust fan
2x80mm intake fans (side panel for GPU)
1x120mm front intake fan
2x120mm cpu cooler fans
1x100mm graphics card fan
2x80mm fans (power supply)
1x120mm fan (power supply)

I think that's about it?
Heres my voltages actually.
Vcore1: 1.34V
Vcore2: 1.94V
+3.3V: 3.33V
+5V: 5.13V
+12V: 12.42V
-12V: -8.82V
-5V: 1.68V
+5V: 5.03V
Vbat: 3.10V

Temps
GPU: 24C
Temp1: 25C
Temp2: 27C
HD2: 30C
HD1: 26C
HD0 28C
HD3: 29C
Core: 12C
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a b V Motherboard
July 26, 2012 10:11:56 AM

You got 7 fans? This is why your temps are so low. you got to have about 50C average. The PC will not run on anything lower than 38C.
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July 26, 2012 12:44:58 PM

I thought the cooler it is the better? Besides my GPU temp is like that because of the underclock my pc has decided to do to it, and my cpu will never get that hot. Also my PC has always been like that, and it worked fine.
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a b V Motherboard
July 26, 2012 9:12:33 PM

Well, the temps are too low for me but it could be that all these new fan-dangled PCs' run at lower temps.

Is this Windows 7 64 bit?

Have you installed the latest GPU drivers pertaining to this GPU?

Did you use the install disk that came with the GPU when you first put it into PC?
It is always best to use the CD drivers even if they are older then you update those drivers.
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July 26, 2012 10:31:24 PM

Thats the temps on mine with them running on low. Well the 120mm fans on low. Yes windows 7 ultimate 64 bit. I'm running beta drivers that are the latest because my gpu did run at its full performance with the beta drivers but then decided to stop running at full performance in game, so it changed it for a bit. And nah I downloaded from nvidia website.
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a b V Motherboard
July 26, 2012 11:42:22 PM

This video card uses VMWare virtual space and your motherboard does not seem to have any L3 cache at all (it's lsted as N/A on the motherboard site) but whether that makes any difference, I'm not sure.

The maximum Refresh Rate is 85mhz, have you got it set any higher or is it at the default 60mhz? 75mhz is the average.

"Dual 400MHz RAMDACs - Blazing-fast RAMDACs support dual QXGA displays with ultra-high, ergonomic refresh rates up to 2048x1536@85Hz."
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/3d_graphic/overview.asp?pron...

The driver for your video card should have been 266.54 as per the Leadtek site -
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/support/search.asp?keyword=G...

Did you uninstall the Gigabyte drivers?

The Nvidia site latest version GeForce 301.42 Driver WHQL Beta, they are not certified and are provided only for testing purposes only.
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

The GeForce 296.10 Driver WHQL are considered to be the latestest certified, you are better to uninstall the Beta version and use this version for better stability however,
GeForce 280.26 Driver WHQL is actually for your GPU series.
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July 27, 2012 2:41:32 AM

It's default 60Hz. And I've already got all the latest drivers, I've even had those drivers but no difference. I've uninstalled all the old drivers, reinstalled all fresh ones. It's not software issues it's hardware issues.
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a b V Motherboard
July 27, 2012 5:51:08 AM

Perhaps you should try a video card that is not the Nvidia GTX 550 Ti ?
You've tried both models and they both don't work properly.

AMD usually prefer AMD ATi gpu, if you can get your hands on one or borrow one, you might find it fixes the problem but uninstall the Nvidia drivers and you wil need drivers for the ATi /Radeon / Sapphire / AMD type video card.
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July 29, 2012 10:49:27 AM

Yeah I'll have a try with switching to ATI. I've had an ATI card in before the powercolor 6870 1Gb I think. It worked fine, apart from it liking the heat, but that was in summer so the ambient temp was high. I'll try get my hands on another though and see how it turns out. I've also increased the memory dram frequency multiplier and it's only gone from 400 MHz to 460 MHz, but that hasn't increased them to their 800 MHz. I also took out the 2 corsair modules, and it fixed itself for a little while, but then it had problems even reaching the post. So I put them back in and it worked fine for a while, and then problems arose, so I took out the battery and turned it on held down the power button still and it turned off and I held it down for a bit longer with the psu off. And now it's been working alright so far, no issues but I have a feeling it will start up again.
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August 5, 2012 11:24:10 AM

Okay I have new products installed. I've got an Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 motherboard and G.Skill F3-12800CL-10 8GBXL x2 so 16Gb.

I also have the Gigabyte GTX550Ti 1Gb in and the clocks are still down so I think that's graphics card related and needs to be replaced, and I have an Asus 8800GS 380Mb for Phys X so it doesn't slow down my 550Ti.

Here is my voltages ect now.

Vcore1: 1.39V
Vcore2: 1.47V
+3.3V: 3.36V
+5V: 5.13V
+12V: 12.22V
-12V: -8.08V
-5V: 4.05V
+5V: 3.60V
Vbat: 3.06V

My old setup was:

Vcore1: 1.34V
Vcore2: 1.94V
+3.3V: 3.33V
+5V: 5.13V
+12V: 12.42V
-12V: -8.82V
-5V: 1.68V
+5V: 5.03V
Vbat: 3.10V

Temps are
GPU1: 39C
GPU2: 0C (No idea why)
Temp1: 29C
Temp2: 30C
Temp3: 0C
HD0: 20C
HD1: 22C
HD2: 30C
Core: 0C (no idea why, should be between 15C-20C)
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August 5, 2012 11:52:32 AM

i had a problem with games freezing before and i solved it by replacing dead ram, it came up as working fine but it wouldn't work in any computer. also make sure your ram isn't mixed frequencies for example 1gb @1333hz and another 1gb @ 1024hz
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a b V Motherboard
August 5, 2012 11:53:01 AM

So, is your PC working?
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August 6, 2012 4:03:52 PM

Yeah and I just got my IDE working and my other SATA. My sata some how didn't have a letter so I added a letter to it, and my IDE which i needed to take stuff from such as my 3D models had to change the jumper on the back of it to slave. My ram is now only 2 modules instead of 4 and 2 being different to the other 2. I was having blue screen issues but some how this motherboard doesn't like to overclock. Any idea on why this is happening? I overclocked from 3.2 GHz to 3.5 GHz and everytime I done something that put a bit of load on my CPU it blue screened.
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August 6, 2012 4:03:57 PM

Also how much better would it be using an 8800GS as my phys X instead of my 550Ti?
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a b V Motherboard
August 6, 2012 9:12:52 PM

Before buying G.Skill, you should check the compatibility list on the G.Skill site.
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=422
You rmotherboard is not listed as suited for G.skill, in the product you have chosen.
G.Skill are not likened to being overclocked, either.

G.Skill F3-12800CL-10 8GBXL 1600mhz 1.5v
Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 is 800mhz 1.9v
Kingston PC2-6400 is 800mhz 1.8v


The motherboard - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets
DDR2 1333(OC)/1066(Note 3)/800/667
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

You can only use 800mhz ram unless the CPU requires FSB then a high speed can be used but only 1066mhz and 1333 mhz. "(Note 3) Whether 1066 MHz or above memory speed is supported depends on the CPU being used."
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You really need to comply with the motherboard and its preferred hardware.

The preferred OS for this motherboard - Support for Microsoft® Windows Vista/XP

Nvidia 8800GS is only 384mb, better with the 8800GT with 512mb.

Actually, you are better to go back to Vista or XP 32 bit considering you are only playing PC games. Windows 7 x64 is not a good platform for playing PC video games, too many compatibility issues and, also, 32 bit games don't access more the the first 2gb of ram so anything more than 4gb is irrelevant and a waste of money.

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August 7, 2012 11:03:54 AM

Wait huh? I never used or even bothered about trying my G.Skill ram with my gigabyte ma770-ud3? My G.skill ram is being used in my GA990FXA-UD5 motherboard. And I don't have an 8800GT. I don't have problems with windows 7 x64 and games, I mainly got 16Gb of ram because of 3D studio max 10. I was only able to handle 200,000 polgyons because my DDR2 ram was only getting 400mhz instead of 800mhz. Now with the new motherboard and DDR3 16Gb of ram, I'm handling up to 20,000,000 polygons with no signs of stress. There is no way I'm going back to XP 32 bit, especially now games are starting to not have compatiblity with XP. Completely pointless having 32 bit and 16Gb of DDR3 when it would only use 3.5Gb if I rightly remember, and that would be shocking especially for graphic design.
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