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April 27, 2012 9:03:19 AM

Though I agree that paying more for an HD version of a game is not the right way moving forward, I do believe HD resolution for gaming is essential. In my opinion, a game with excellent high-resolution graphics will win over a similar game with a lower res graphics. Having that crisp, clean graphics, would say a lot about the quality of the game even before the consumer has a chance to play it. First impressions count.
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April 27, 2012 9:23:19 AM

@ anonimus789
True that HD version is the way, but developers should not charge additional fees for it. Imagine if PC game developers implement this...you pay for the 1024x768 pix version, then when you upgrade your resolution to 1680x1050 pix, do you have to buy the game again?
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April 27, 2012 9:38:45 AM

Andrew Ku, your shameful promotion of Windows Phone was embarasing. The developers have nothing to do with it, and you kept bringing it up over and over again.
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April 27, 2012 1:01:51 PM

Phone & Tablet Reviews - I'm of the opinion, at least (here), there's little point to voicing any constructive point of view. Each platform has their followers and the numbers based on sales are not representative of the folks that post their comments.

Therefore, whichever platform you like I hope you can 'get' what you like. I do hope that all platforms can make it easier for the developers.
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April 27, 2012 3:37:20 PM

This is complete BS IMHO. I don't see how anybody can enjoy gaming on such a tiny screen not to mention the lack of processing power and absence of memory required by modern games. It's all wishful thinking by the marketeers. Just something new to sell unsuspecting novices who later find out what a desktop can do and buy what they should have bought in the first place.
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April 27, 2012 4:06:42 PM

ram1009This is complete BS IMHO. I don't see how anybody can enjoy gaming on such a tiny screen not to mention the lack of processing power and absence of memory required by modern games. It's all wishful thinking by the marketeers. Just something new to sell unsuspecting novices who later find out what a desktop can do and buy what they should have bought in the first place.


EXACTLY

these mobile games are a joke...they are clearly made for the lowest common denominator of people (the stupid)
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April 27, 2012 4:35:54 PM

tk1138EXACTLYthese mobile games are a joke...they are clearly made for the lowest common denominator of people (the stupid)

ram1009This is complete BS IMHO. I don't see how anybody can enjoy gaming on such a tiny screen not to mention the lack of processing power and absence of memory required by modern games. It's all wishful thinking by the marketeers. Just something new to sell unsuspecting novices who later find out what a desktop can do and buy what they should have bought in the first place.


You two are exaggerating by way too much. Mobile gaming isn't for the stupid, not in the least. It's for people who want to game when they are mobile. Desktops are for a completely different market with different goals. Mobile gaming is not about matching PC gaming in quality, it's about cheap, affordable games that can be played when you are mobile. Of course they won't come close to desktop quality. Mobile games are not for the stupid, they are for the mobile. You two are just elitest pricks who don't recognize that your ways of life can't be sustained by everyone else and even if they could, not everyone wants to be like you. If I'm on a train for two hours a day to go between work in a city and my home in a cheaper suburb outside of the city, then wth am I supposed to do? PCs obviously aren't a viable choice here. However, I have my phone on me, so I can use it. Mobile gaming markets are pretty similar to the Game Boys and such, except the smart phones are both for gaming and many other uses.

Sure, mobile gaming can also be done at the house and such for people who want to do it. It is FAR more affordable than PC or console gaming is, so many more people can do it who would have otherwise been left without any good games at all. Furthermore, games obviously don't need tons of memory if they are written well. For example, the PS3 only has 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM and only 256MB of XDR system RAM and most modern smart phones have at least that much memory, if not even more. Smart phones have more than enough memory for mobile gaming.

Furthermore, smart phones are approaching the processing power of the PS3 and Xbox 360. Tablets have already matched them with the newest iPad (although I'd wait until a non-Apple tablet/smart phone had such power before buying something like this). Most people simply can't afford or can't justify spending hundreds to thousands of dollars to get high performance gaming systems and games for those systems, especially when they can get a far cheaper phone that is also needed for other things and get the games for less than $10 each (many are free). Sure, they aren't as high quality as some PC games, but it's not like most PC games we see today are nearly as good for the time as we have seen in the past. So many potentially good games have been dumbed down or were just made poorly.

Sure, we still have some good games, but most of them simply aren't anymore. Sometimes, I'd rather just play an older game nowadays just because they were simply better games, despite not having as much eye candy. Seriously now... Most people need a phone for a variety of reasons (be they convenience or through necessities such as jobs requiring phones and other important reasons). Most people don't really need a computer for anything except internet access. Sure, some people, such as developers, IT, and others need them for their jobs, but most people don't really need them and can do a lot of what needed a PC on a cheap laptop or even on a good smart phone. So, phones are obviously pretty much universally needed by the majority. You can just get a free or a cheap game, or a bunch of them, for the prices of a single PC/console game. They don't even need to be as good... At least smart phone games don't have DRM problems and such that PC games (and possibly console games soon enough) have.
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April 27, 2012 5:45:55 PM

tk1138EXACTLYthese mobile games are a joke...they are clearly made for the lowest common denominator of people (the stupid)

Obviously this is a PC centric website, but a fair amount of "hardcore gamers" seem to miss the point completely. Honestly the term Hardcore Gamer seems to indicate you're not really a gamer at all.

Games are there to entertain, and to have fun. If I can have fun playing World of Goo on my android phone while running errands with my wife, or play Machinarium on my Playbook while flying to my destination, then at is gaming at it's essence. Honestly the Wii was probably the best and worst thing to happen to gaming. Obviously it brought out alot of shovelware (that otherwise would have targeted another console) but it also showed the world that people don't need serious games, we need fun games. Not everyone wants to compete all the time, they just want something to pass the time, to tell a story.

There's room in the market for all game types. Hell, I even backed Takedown since I do enjoy a "serious" game occasionally. But claiming that people will stop playing tablet games "once they see what a PC can do" is ignorant. I'm well aware of what a PC can do, and will continue to play games on all my devices, when convenient. I don't need great graphics to have fun, just remember that video games started out with a dot and 2 lines.
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April 27, 2012 6:03:16 PM

blazorthonYou two are exaggerating by way too much. Mobile gaming isn't for the stupid, not in the least. It's for people who want to game when they are mobile. Desktops are for a completely different market with different goals. Mobile gaming is not about matching PC gaming in quality, it's about cheap, affordable games that can be played when you are mobile. Of course they won't come close to desktop quality. Mobile games are not for the stupid, they are for the mobile. You two are just elitest pricks who don't recognize that your ways of life can't be sustained by everyone else and even if they could, not everyone wants to be like you. If I'm on a train for two hours a day to go between work in a city and my home in a cheaper suburb outside of the city, then wth am I supposed to do? PCs obviously aren't a viable choice here. However, I have my phone on me, so I can use it. Mobile gaming markets are pretty similar to the Game Boys and such, except the smart phones are both for gaming and many other uses.Sure, mobile gaming can also be done at the house and such for people who want to do it. It is FAR more affordable than PC or console gaming is, so many more people can do it who would have otherwise been left without any good games at all. Furthermore, games obviously don't need tons of memory if they are written well. For example, the PS3 only has 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM and only 256MB of XDR system RAM and most modern smart phones have at least that much memory, if not even more. Smart phones have more than enough memory for mobile gaming.Furthermore, smart phones are approaching the processing power of the PS3 and Xbox 360. Tablets have already matched them with the newest iPad (although I'd wait until a non-Apple tablet/smart phone had such power before buying something like this). Most people simply can't afford or can't justify spending hundreds to thousands of dollars to get high performance gaming systems and games for those systems, especially when they can get a far cheaper phone that is also needed for other things and get the games for less than $10 each (many are free). Sure, they aren't as high quality as some PC games, but it's not like most PC games we see today are nearly as good for the time as we have seen in the past. So many potentially good games have been dumbed down or were just made poorly.Sure, we still have some good games, but most of them simply aren't anymore. Sometimes, I'd rather just play an older game nowadays just because they were simply better games, despite not having as much eye candy. Seriously now... Most people need a phone for a variety of reasons (be they convenience or through necessities such as jobs requiring phones and other important reasons). Most people don't really need a computer for anything except internet access. Sure, some people, such as developers, IT, and others need them for their jobs, but most people don't really need them and can do a lot of what needed a PC on a cheap laptop or even on a good smart phone. So, phones are obviously pretty much universally needed by the majority. You can just get a free or a cheap game, or a bunch of them, for the prices of a single PC/console game. They don't even need to be as good... At least smart phone games don't have DRM problems and such that PC games (and possibly console games soon enough) have.



You can always tell when someone is out of logical, focused arguements. They start calling names. "Elitist prick"? What do I care how you spend your 2 hour commute? Next you'll be telling me it's OK to game and drive. Something tells me you're an itard.
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April 27, 2012 6:38:03 PM

Mihai CAndrew Ku, your shameful promotion of Windows Phone was embarasing. The developers have nothing to do with it, and you kept bringing it up over and over again.

Though at least we know why they've nothing to do with it. I for one was unaware of the native code restriction. It's good to see they're willing to support Win 8 though.

What was more interesting is the way they completely avoided talking about anything related to x86. Can't be sure why but i think they've not got much experience at all with the arch.
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April 27, 2012 7:05:56 PM

ram1009You can always tell when someone is out of logical, focused arguements. They start calling names. "Elitist prick"? What do I care how you spend your 2 hour commute? Next you'll be telling me it's OK to game and drive. Something tells me you're an itard.

Why would an "itard" avoid buying the new iPad and wait for a non-apple tablet to have that kind of power? When did he indicate that he drives a car at all, let alone proposed that driving while being on a cell phone was acceptable?

You called touchscreen gamers "unsuspecting novices", got called out on it, then called another user an "itard". You might want to read the first line of your post again aloud.
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April 27, 2012 7:27:44 PM

ram1009 said:
You can always tell when someone is out of logical, focused arguements. They start calling names. "Elitist prick"? What do I care how you spend your 2 hour commute? Next you'll be telling me it's OK to game and drive. Something tells me you're an itard.


Yeah... That big post of mine full of logical arguments must mean that I'm out of logical arguments. Me using a hypothetical situation that is fairly common for many people must mean that I do it too, mustn't it? Me saying that a lot of people like to have something to do when they are on a train must mean that I support gaming while driving a car, mustn't it? Me specifically saying that I refuse to buy Apple hardware must make me an Apple fan, mustn't it? Looks like you're the one without any logical arguments. You just resorted to insulting me after I called you out on your ridiculous comment. It showed obvious signs of being an elitest prick, so that's what I said. My comment doesn't imply that I support Apple nor that I even support Apple's products at all, so your insult didn't even make much sense at all.
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April 27, 2012 7:31:40 PM

ram1009 said:
You can always tell when someone is out of logical, focused arguements. They start calling names. "Elitist prick"? What do I care how you spend your 2 hour commute? Next you'll be telling me it's OK to game and drive. Something tells me you're an itard.


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...Tablets have already matched them with the newest iPad (although I'd wait until a non-Apple tablet/smart phone had such power before buying something like this). ...


Something tells me that your gut instincts are wrong.
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April 27, 2012 7:54:16 PM

I enjoyed reading this. Thanks a bunch for the interview! As an amateur Windows Phone developer I appreciate being able to hear what other devs are saying (by amateur, I mean that I've only done silverlight and c#, not XNA (games) or C++, which I can't even read! haha). The questions that you asked were good and relevant and I'm glad that you did include windows phone as part of the question set; I may have a bias, though. Great article!
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April 27, 2012 8:19:41 PM

My 2 cents Mobile phone gaming (smartphones/tablets) will replace devices such as the DS and PSVita and so on. I don't think it will ever replace consoles or PC gaming. why do I need a separate mobile gaming system when I have a phone that can do it.
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April 27, 2012 9:25:06 PM

Thanks for the article, it was a very good read.
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April 28, 2012 1:24:12 AM

Mihai CAndrew Ku, your shameful promotion of Windows Phone was embarasing. The developers have nothing to do with it, and you kept bringing it up over and over again.

I actually thought the Windows Phone thing was quite interesting. I was recently in a group that coded a game in XNA for our CS class. The class is mainly taught in C and C++, but our Prof let us use XNA and C# for this game project if we so choosed, and it was definitely one of the easiest programming projects we did all semester. We did it too without the majority of us ever seeing C# or coding a game, and it was cake! Plus, porting from the PC to Xbox to Windows Phone is only a matter of changing controls around. So, if you're already in the Microsoft gaming ecosystem, development is super easy. It's insightful to see that the error on Microsoft's part was in the fact that they didn't make porting from other platforms to their own so easy.
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April 28, 2012 1:46:36 AM

I see in the future Smartphones and tablets games over consoles. console's future is getting dark :D 
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April 28, 2012 2:27:26 AM

_Pez_I see in the future Smartphones and tablets games over consoles. console's future is getting dark


From the same generation, a console can always have several times the processing power of a smart phone or tablet. The iPad 3 is the first phone/tablet to match PS3/Xbox 360 performance and it came out almost a decade after they did. If a console were released with modern hardware right now, it could be FAR faster than any smart phone or tablet simply because it has an always on, high wattage (compared to the mobile devices mentioned) power supply and chips that can use that power to churn out performance far greater than the aforementioned mobile devices.

Compare a low end desktop to the phones and tablets to get an idea of the difference. A console can often churn out the quality offered by a PC of about 50% to 100% greater cost when they come out, so lets compare, say, a $700 PC to the most recent tablets (how about the newest iPad?).

The PC could have an i5, Radeon 7850, and 8GB of 1600MHz DDR3. It could play pretty much any game in at least 1080p with the settings more or less maxed out and with some good AA. A console made today could probably do the same for about $350 to $400.

The tablet? stuck at less than half of the performance at the same (or a greater) cost. Smart phones would fair even worse than the tablet.

The future of consoles may be getting dark, but for completely different reason than what are shown in this article and your comment. For example, the extreme DRM problems and the fact that people might not be willing to deal with another release cycle this long as well as they have dealt with this one (which isn't very well already).
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April 28, 2012 2:45:36 AM

anonimus789Though I agree that paying more for an HD version of a game is not the right way moving forward, I do believe HD resolution for gaming is essential. In my opinion, a game with excellent high-resolution graphics will win over a similar game with a lower res graphics. Having that crisp, clean graphics, would say a lot about the quality of the game even before the consumer has a chance to play it. First impressions count.


The gameplay has to be equally important. Having an aesthetically pleasing game that lacks quality gameplay is just a flashy distraction.
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April 28, 2012 3:12:58 PM

Just don't call gaming in mobile platform is gaming, and the so called "PC gamer" won't complaint.Oh and don't call Angry Bird is a game, call it something else.
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April 28, 2012 11:34:55 PM

@Blazorthon - Great post
The fishy guy from fishlabs comment about mobile game developing in 5 yrs. what took non-mobile 20 is b.s.
Mobile gaming developed from the work done on PCs, so you couldn't have had one without the other. Also, mobile gaming couldn't even take off until chip sizes were small enough.
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April 30, 2012 1:57:33 AM

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iOS and Android


I hate to be picky, but since Android begins with the letter 'a' the name should be listed first and not iOS. That is the proper etiquette used in writing. The fact that there are a lot more Android smart phones in the market does not even come into play.

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April 30, 2012 2:39:05 AM

My interpretation of this article led me to one conclusion. A good chunk of developers are not going to code nice games for Windows 7 mobile. That is all.
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April 30, 2012 6:53:37 AM

tramitMy interpretation of this article led me to one conclusion. A good chunk of developers are not going to code nice games for Windows 7 mobile. That is all.


With Windows Phone 8 coming out and it supposed to get games developed for it, M$ probably doesn't have much to worry about there.
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April 30, 2012 5:40:18 PM

Listen to the Betamax sales men desperately trying to convince themselves it is the future.
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Anonymous
May 1, 2012 6:22:35 PM

The consoles future is and always has been a dark one. It's a business model that shaves fne slivers of profit on the edges however the logic problem with this article is not the notion that mobile games are on the up (because they certainly are) it is the implication that they will replace both console and PC-centric gaming which currently is neither feasible nor realistic given present hardware/storage/processing/power consumption requirements.

It is quite obvious that a game on the go that must be disrupted at any point when the gamer is required to put it down is hardly going to be an experience of the depth that requires you to devote hours to. You aren't going to find eve on-line on a Nokia Lumia. However, tablet devices meet an interesting middle ground, and while they suffer the same shortcomings as their mobile phone counter parts, there is more chasis space to work with and that presents an opportunity for better performing hardware so long as the battery can keep up to make it useful when you are mobile.


The crunch is this, if you expect a current mobile device to deliver the same experience that requires the performance of a modern desktop computer to render, then you are kidding yourself. The marketting people should stick to their target market. If you are expecting a bit of fun on the go, then you will come to appreciate the increasing performance of modern mobile hardware the experience on these devices will be as shallow as the resources available. In short the phone is for travel, the computer and consoles are for your home and both have their place. This does not mean that a phone is anywhere near competing with a desktop computer or console or even a specced up laptop in terms of the experiences that can be delivered.

Given the current state of 3G coverage and the restrictions imposed on data access while roaming even the data usage experiences of these devices leaves a lot to be desired never mind the graphical performance. The experience is what is important, and I have never expected much from my mobile devices, from my iphone, to the iPad to the Lumia, and they never fail to deliver on my expectation.
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Anonymous
May 8, 2012 4:04:51 PM

Big surprise...mobile game developers think mobile gaming will compete with traditional consoles.
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Anonymous
May 13, 2012 9:14:15 AM

I am a "pc" gamer and i have ha a nintendo dsi and a sony psp, and now i do have an ipad. And honestly. I can easily see tablets replace the nintendo and sony portables with time. The 3ds and psvita havent exactly had a good launch. If theyre developers make the games also available in tablet form, sony and nintendo can safely say goodbye to mobile gaming unless they go the tablet route as well
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July 3, 2012 6:47:39 AM

I don't think that mobile devices will overtake gaming consoles in near future because mobile devices have limited screen size while with the gaming console we can easily connect it to the monitors or a 3D TV. Still at this age I enjoy playing 3D games on LG cinema 3D TV.
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Anonymous
October 26, 2012 3:31:01 AM

IMHO, its not about playing games on smaller screens that will keep hardcore gamers away. I see mobile phones replacing consoles and high end desktop in few years. With one phone, you will be able to play games on around 4.5 " mobile screen or just connect it to a big screen to play hardcore. This model caters to both moible gamers as well as hardcore console gamers.
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October 26, 2012 3:52:46 AM

blueyesdudeIMHO, its not about playing games on smaller screens that will keep hardcore gamers away. I see mobile phones replacing consoles and high end desktop in few years. With one phone, you will be able to play games on around 4.5 " mobile screen or just connect it to a big screen to play hardcore. This model caters to both moible gamers as well as hardcore console gamers.


Phones will never be able to keep up with larger form factor consoles of comparably new technology in performance. Furthermore, there is absolutely no chance of high end desktops being replaced by phones. You can't even get more than a fraction of the CPU performance of a decent computer from five or six years ago and the form factors are completely different and cater to different uses. Only a few phone/tablet devices have caught the current far outdated consoles in graphics performance (still well behind in CPU performance), let alone modern hardware performance.
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Anonymous
December 27, 2012 1:21:41 PM

Bullshit false claim is bullshatically false.
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