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July 29, 2011 5:53:04 AM

Let me start off by saying that I have built many PC's in my days. Ranging from entry level to The enthusiast level for their time. With that said, I am turning to the community for some advice on my new high end build. Since I read a lot before posting this query, here are some pertinent details.

Approximate Purchase Date: Approx. Sept 1st (give or take a few days)

Budget Range: $2500 (I am comfortable with as high as $3000)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (I play mostly WOW and I do not play any FPS), School Work/Production (I'm a programmer), Watching Media

Parts Not Required: I do not need an OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I prefer Newegg but will purchase also from Amazon if they have a better price

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: I prefer Intel CPU's, For GPU's I do not have a preference, I am planning this to be a triple monitor setup so please take that into consideration. (e.g Eyefinity)

Overclocking: Maybe - I have never overclocked, but would like to try with the new Sandy Bridge offerings from Intel. I can also add that for my own satisfaction I would be happy at the 4.0 Ghz mark. So no liquid cooling required.

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, Definitely. With my triple monitor setup in mind, I know I will get the best results from more than one GPU.

Monitor Resolution: 3 X 1920x1080

Additional Comments: My current PC is housed in a Thermaltake Armor Case which I absolutely hate! For my new case I am looking for something roomy, with proper airflow for cooling, but I am not looking for something that looks like an alien designed it. Like I said, that armor on my current case is a pain in the butt. I have two cases that I have looked at and like. One being the Antec 1200, and the other many people have talked about, is the Corsair case that is all black and has lots of features for cable managment. Forgive me for I do not recall the exact model.

For my PSU I would prefer a modular unit.

About my monitor setup: My wife and I have seperate PC's. We both have 1 of these monitors:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With my PC upgrade, my wife also wants to add a second monitor to her setup so my question is this:
Is my current monitor, adding two more to it of the same type, compatible with AMD's Eyefinity technology? Or should I give my wife the monitor I have(fulfilling her second monitor request), and purchase 3 new monitors for my setup?

If there are anymore questions please ask and I will do my best to answer them. Thank You.
July 29, 2011 7:00:33 AM

You should go for 3 set-up and give your wife your monitor
your Build:
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MotherBoard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (You can do a mod on side and install a 120MM or even 200mm which is very Easy with this case and also, on the back/rear you can put a 120MM fan too)
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (This can be bootable and yes it can be seen and install by any Windows' Disk)
VideoCard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Just one is enough but it should keep you up in the 40s FPS in 3 monitor with WOW at max)
Optical Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HeatSink: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3x Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here you can buy stuff:
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g44/DIYMod_Parts.html
here's some info you should look for on modding:
http://www.overclock.net/case-mods-general-discussion/7...
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July 29, 2011 7:23:19 AM

I don't play WoW, but I know it favors Nvidia cards and it doesn't take advantage of dual cards...but this build down below is set up so that you can use two of those vid cards in SLI. That card down below is a 3GB card and will handle your resolution without a hitch.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-SuperSpeed-Interior... $179.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master HAF X Full Tower w/ SuperSpeed USB 3.0 w/ Window w/ Black Interior ATX Case (RC-942-KKN1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $179.99 - $129.99 after mail-in rebate card
LEPA G900-MA 900W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $179.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z68-V LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $314.99 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $24.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $64.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $224.99 FREE SHIPPING
ADATA S511 Series AS511S3-120GM-C 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $599.00
MSI N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $599.00
MSI N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Total: $2,446.91 *not including shipping and mail in rebates

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99 - $134.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
Asus ML228H 21.5" 1920X1080 2ms Full HD LED BackLight LED Monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 10,000,000 :1 (ASCR)


http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id... <----- more pics, specs, and professional reviews of that case

*fans down below that can be added to that case

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Computer-Cooling-R4... $14.75 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
COOLER MASTER Megaflow 200 R4-LUS-07AR-GP 200mm Red LED Case Fan

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Case-R4-C2R-2... $8.66 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master 120mm Case Fan - (R4-C2R-20AC-GP)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $8.99
COOLER MASTER R4-SPS-20AK-GP 80mm Case Fan

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=ms... <----- reviews and benchmarks of that MSI card
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July 29, 2011 5:28:37 PM

Start with Why_Me's build and substitute a pair of HD6970 GPUs to support Eyefinity. You can do three monitors on two nVidia cards, but they won't be in SLI in that configuration.
If your programming will not benefit from the hyperthreading of the 2600K, you can get the 2500K instead.

Edit: Yes, WoW favors nVidia, but it really shouldn't matter at this high end of the scale. Just be sure it supports Eyefinity. Then you'll also need to get a DisplayPort adapter (or cable, if your new monitor has DisplayPort).
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July 29, 2011 6:26:15 PM

Onus said:
Start with Why_Me's build and substitute a pair of HD6970 GPUs to support Eyefinity. You can do three monitors on two nVidia cards, but they won't be in SLI in that configuration.
If your programming will not benefit from the hyperthreading of the 2600K, you can get the 2500K instead.

HE said he want a "High-End" Not a Mid Range... Get all high-end not some low to mid range computer... I couldn't find the 6990 anywhere(Or out of stock) so I have to find the 6970 since it's available... The GTx 590 is not good, it have 1.5GB per GPU which isn't good as the 6990... Since 6990 is out of stock, go with 6970 2GB version CFX or just one since it support 3 monitors and have 2GB... All three monitor will likely uses 1.6-1.8GB of Video RAM... so it should be enough...
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July 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM

For a 3 monitor set up, four things are recommended:

1. Get a 2500k. If it's a gaming system, don't bother with the HT enabled 2600k. The 2600k is a good choice if you need 3D rendering, AutoCAD apps, VideoEditing and other "special" programs but HT does nothing for gaming. The four extra cores that come with HT will also raise CPU temps and your OC with the 2600k will somewhat lower (or CPU temps significantly higher) for that reason. Of course, you can have multiple boot profiles in your BIOS and can always boot to say 4.6 GHz with HT enabled when doing that fancy stuff and boot to a 2nd profile when gaming at 4.8 GHz


2. Don't limit yaself to x8 x8 GFX bandwidth.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sl...

Quote:
While the NF200 doesn’t completely solve the dearth of PCIe lanes available on LGA 1155 platforms, its ability to send identical data to multiple cards makes it perfect for SLI and CrossFire. That benefit, when combined with the Sandy Bridge processor’s superior performance and overclocking capabilities, slams the lid on the coffin for X58 gaming. Anyone who needs the added flexibility of X58 to host other devices, such as high-end drive controllers or six-core processors in a workstation environment, must bow to the gaming superiority of NF200-equiped Sandy Bridge motherboards like Asus' P8P67 WS Revolution
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3. Don't limit minimum frame rates by getting hi CAS memory

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12

Quote:
22.3 % (SLI) increase in minimum frame rates w/ C6 instead of C8 in Far Cry 2
18% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rates w/ C6 instead of C8 in Dawn of War
15% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rates w/ C6 instead of C8 in World in Conflict

Also see http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-...


4. Get a very good but very quiet cooler.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Quote:
With both of its 140mm fans connected directly to the computer's power supply and running at full speed, the Silver Arrow turns in amazing performance, edged out by less than 1 degree by the Cooler Master V6 GT. The minimal performance difference here is probably due to the V6 GT's high-speed fans, each of which is rated at 90CFM, as compared to the Silver Arrow's 69CFM fans. It's worth noting here that the V6 GT's fans are quite loud at full speed, whereas the Silver Arrow's fans are very quiet.


W/o the GFX .....I'm spending $1553 of ya money

Case - $155 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - $15 - Antec Red 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $90 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $460 - ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - inc - Intel Core i5-2500K included in above combo
Cooler - $83 - Thermalright Silver Arrow http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11676/cpu-tri-77/Ther...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $110 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD - $175 - Seagate Barracuda XT 3TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $270 - OCZ Vertex 3 2.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $90 - Plextor BR Combo Drive w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Pro OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $350 - ASUS VG236HE Black 23" 1920X1080 2ms http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That will be good for anything up to twin 570's or 6970's

The DF-85 is essentially an upgrade of the 1200 case you mentioned. You can read about how the Antec cases pair w/ the CP series PSU's here:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

Quote:
Antec has used an integrated systems approach for its CP-850 and its best cases, and if that approach is an advantage over all other case/PSU combinations, then, all the more power to Antec!.....For the quiet-seeking computer gaming enthusiast, the CP-850 (along with any of the three compatible cases) is something of a godsend. Fantastically stable power, super low noise at any power load, long expected reliability due to excellent cooling, modular cabling, and all at a price that's no higher than many high end 6~700W models.


Only alternatives that I'd suggest is the HAF-X ($190) w/ Corsair AX 850 ($170) . Given the choice at the same price, I'd pick the Antec case and PSU over the CM / Corsair option but the fact that the Antec pairing is $115 makes the decision substantially easier.

Ya have about $950 to $1450 left to spend on monitors and GFX, assuming no other accessories. Choices w/ above components:

Let's do monitors first:

(3) 120 HZ 3D Capable Monitors gonna eat up a lot of that @ $1,050 ....leaving just $400 for GFX cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(3) 60 Hz Monitors only gonna consume $540, leaving up to $900 for GFX cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Twin 900 MHz 560 Ti's - $440 for 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Twin 570's - $590 for 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Twin 6970's - $640 for 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The following would require a PSU upgrade.

Three of any of the nVidia cards (3 way CF not usually a good idea)
Two (or 3) 580's - $900 for 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

In making the GFX decision you may want to get yaself educated on the 3D aspects of this world.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-surround-technol...
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-eyefini...
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/06/29/nvidia_3d_vision_...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/28/amds_ati_eyef...

Potential accessories:

Card Reader $35 AFT XM-35U http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $95 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $52 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 29, 2011 7:05:07 PM

legendkiller said:
HE said he want a "High-End" Not a Mid Range... I couldn't find the 6990 anywhere(Or out of stock) so I have to find the 6970 since it's available..

Hmmm, HD6970; isn't that what I said? And you're the same person who recommended an acrylic case and a Rosewill PSU? :pfff:  Get real, please.

Nothing to outright disagree with in Jack's well-supported post, but an ASRock Z68 with a PLX chip is a lot less expensive and offers the x16,x16 and you don't need to give up some ports or slots if you use others. About to leave work now, but it should be quick to find at Newegg.
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July 29, 2011 7:52:59 PM

Onus said:
Hmmm, HD6970; isn't that what I said? And you're the same person who recommended an acrylic case and a Rosewill PSU? :pfff:  Get real, please.

Nothing to outright disagree with in Jack's well-supported post, but an ASRock Z68 with a PLX chip is a lot less expensive and offers the x16,x16 and you don't need to give up some ports or slots if you use others. About to leave work now, but it should be quick to find at Newegg.

The Case and PSU is just fine and should last as long as or at least 5 years and plus it's just for the design/look :/ ...The Airflow should be good if you mod it and it should be easier than those other Steel or Aluminium case... I Dont see what's wrong with the Case and PSU because the PSU got 80 Bronze+ and other feature... Also, get OCZ Revo Drive 3 480GB because it is super fast, 3x faster than a SSD and the OS can be detected+installed on it... It also got 3 years warranty which is good...
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July 29, 2011 9:44:50 PM

Quick questions for everyone:

In the case of an EYEFINITY setup, will three of these monitors work with a crossfire setup? If yes, what extra cables/adapters will i need to be sure to get?

Monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Cards if I choose EYEFINITY:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For the NVIDIA side, for 3 monitors and gaming, is the 3d system the only way to accomplish this? Or with the same type of monitor can three monitors as one big screen be accomplished? Is two NVIDIA-SLI'd cards sufficient to accomplish this on a non-3d triple monitor setup?

Thanks again for those of you who are helping.
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July 30, 2011 1:18:32 AM

Anyone? **LOOK ABOVE POST**
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July 30, 2011 3:25:46 AM

Onus said:
That monitor does not have a DisplayPort connector, which means you'll need an active DisplayPort to DVI adapter like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to connect to the DVI cable that comes with the monitor.


So for three of that monitor will I only need one of these adapters? How does the hookups get arranged? Two cards, three monitors. Which monitors to which ports? I have never setup an EYEFINITY triple monitor setup before.
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July 30, 2011 6:51:34 AM

Do you want LED and 120Hz? LED gives better view of things plus saves power, look at my last post with the link and you can till different... For 120Hz, you can see the totally different and better from 60Hz... 2MS+120Hz+LED+3D+High Contrast Ratio=True gaming... That Monitor is just for those who dont care much about gaming... For Best experience or if you want to be on it 24/7 without wearing glasses(Not 3D glasses) than get the BenQ because it GOT Everything on it except the Speaker and Perfect resolution of 1920x1200 for 24" but 1080 still good since 100% of stuff fits on 1080p...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Higher Contrast Ratio wont hurt or damage your eye if you stay very long(Usually 6 hours or so) so if your WOWing for more than 10Hours, 20k Contrast Ratio ain't enough so you'll be wearing glasses like 2 years... my eMachine E17t6W took me almost 8 months and im already starting wearing glasses LOL... I Couldn't read stuff far away like probably a 2 inch word/letter at 2-3 yard away...
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July 30, 2011 1:04:25 PM

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If you only play WoW why not just use a shoebox pc and save the money towards a nice new car or house payment lol.

I can understand having a 3k pc for professional video editing or top dog game performance. To only be buying this build for WoW is a waste of talent.

Try branching out and building this 3k system around games that demand great performance. Just saying.

If you have never played a fps before, I recommend buying bf3 to start! :p 


HAHA I have lived long enough to already have a new car(mines less than a year old) and I have a HEALTHY mortgage payment. This is something I do every 5 years or so, build a dream PC even when it's overkill. Just my thing I guess.

I can say that WOW is not all I play, just what I play consistently. Plus I am interested in some other games from time to time, such ad Skyrim when it comes out in Novmember. It also doesn't hurt to build a system that stays current for a little while, even though I don't believe that anything is future proof.
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July 30, 2011 1:31:00 PM

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If you want to build a godly pc, then wait a little longer and buy either the Bulldozer cpu or the Intel Sandy Bridge E cpu or the Ivy Bridge cpu

all very great choices :o 

Nobody has seen benchmarks from any of those cpu's let alone nobody knows if and when they will be released. Rumor has it that with a bios flash the 1155 mobo's will run Ivy Bridge...so there's the upgrade path. On that note...there is always something around the corner in regards to technology. As long as I have been playing with PC's, I can't ever remember a better time to build one than now. Sandy Bridge has finally bridged the gap between cpu and gpu as far as eliminating the bottleneck cpu wise goes.
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July 30, 2011 2:15:45 PM

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Still doesn't deny the fact that the Bulldozer is right around the corner..

I wouldn't overlook something just because its 2 months away.

Maybe if it was half a year or more I would say go ahead and skip it. Right now though is a perfect time to start considering it.

Two months eh. I remember last January when the SB cpu's came out, and everyone said hold on...BD will be out in a few months. That was over half a year ago.
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