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July 30, 2011 7:10:34 PM

Below is my build mainly from newegg, i am planning on picking this all up from Frys within the next 2 to 3 weeks.I'd very much appreciate any critiques(glaring errors like bottlenecking and advice on different parts) and help in getting me the most bang for my buck.I also am willing to add 100 dollars to my build price in addition to the power supply which i am a bit concerned about how much power i really need...Thanks in advance for any and all assistance.



Memory-CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

Motherboard-GIGABYTE GA-990XA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Graphics Card-EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
Ready SLI Support Video Card

Processor-AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ980FBGMBOX

Storage-Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Dvd drive-LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support

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July 30, 2011 7:51:43 PM

what is your total budget?
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July 30, 2011 7:57:40 PM

This comes to about 650 and I'd like to keep at or below 750.
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July 30, 2011 9:04:06 PM

^Those are some nice combos - good find. I'd definitely go with those; the Gigabyte UD4 boards are great, and EVGA's GPUs are top notch, and that 560Ti has a lifetime warranty :D 
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July 30, 2011 11:35:36 PM

Care to explain why you feel the i5 build is superior? :p 
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July 30, 2011 11:48:49 PM

The i5 crushes the best AMD CPUs on the market, and will most likely still trump the Bulldozer CPUs (if they ever come out). Plus, most i5s can hit 4GHz without touching the voltage, and I've seen records of over 5GHz OCs.

Comparison of the X4 980 (Black) and i5-2500K (Blue)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=362
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July 31, 2011 1:55:34 AM

Man I'm really liking that i5 build after seein those results :D  what do ou think I would need wattage wise for that i5 buil you suggested?
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July 31, 2011 2:13:03 AM

An i5 + 560Ti requires a 650W PSU, or 750W for 2x560Ti (if you plan on getting a second GPU in the future). The i5s are low wattage chips that run quite cool compared to previous generation high performance CPUs.
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August 6, 2011 8:31:40 PM

If you going for I5 u need different mobo
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August 6, 2011 8:51:44 PM

biostar doesnt make quality motherboards if it is a single card go with the asrock p67 pro3.
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August 6, 2011 9:06:35 PM

^ Idk but reviews look great. otherwise I suggest MSI dont' know about assrock :) 
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August 6, 2011 9:35:20 PM

asrock makes higher quality motherboards than msi and biostar. are you talking about proffesional reviews because most of neweggs reviewers are idiots. have you seen tomshardware is recommending the asrock p67 & z68 extreme4.
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August 6, 2011 9:38:46 PM

Yeah tomshardware also recommends rosewill chalenger for a case which is piece of crap. Quality maybe ... also msi getting there .. otherwise asrock seems pretty flimsy. There are some nice ones
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August 6, 2011 9:43:06 PM

i have the extreme 4 and id say it is 99% the motherboard the asus p8p67 pro is for 20$ less. the challenger is a budget case for 50$ you cant get any better
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August 6, 2011 9:52:14 PM

But is it really possible to get 560ti into 750 budget?
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August 6, 2011 9:53:17 PM

itll be close but you should be able to get a 6870 in there
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August 6, 2011 11:38:24 PM

^The 6870 performs closely to the 560Ti @ 1920x1080, and for about $40-70 less. It does fall behind in some games, but should work very well in a budget build.
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August 8, 2011 3:03:24 AM

But I've heard about issues with 6870 and the fact it heats up like a mfer. I personally also think that 560 ti or no ti will overclock better. Like the MSI Twin Frozr. If you go for budget ATI just get 6850 it can overclock to 6870 performance and way cooler. Will free up some cash for other parts
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August 8, 2011 4:27:44 AM

The temps will be about the same, and generally depend entirely on airflow. Thought the 560Ti is a better card, a strict budget will force the OP to get a lesser card. The 6870 at least performs very comparably to the 560Ti.

I'm not a fan of the Frozr and most other custom cooler designs because the heat is exhausted inside the case, rather than outside.

Temp/power comparisons located at bottom.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=330
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August 8, 2011 8:10:04 PM

boiler1990 said:
The temps will be about the same, and generally depend entirely on airflow. Thought the 560Ti is a better card, a strict budget will force the OP to get a lesser card. The 6870 at least performs very comparably to the 560Ti.

I'm not a fan of the Frozr and most other custom cooler designs because the heat is exhausted inside the case, rather than outside.

Temp/power comparisons located at bottom.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=330

I would say it performs close to 560. But I guess at this price point you better off getting 6870. Also don't know anything about msi exaust problems but they get the job done with least noise. And for hot air getting trapped inside , if that what you mean when u say heat is exausted inside ( it's allways exausted inside first .. duh ), that's what side air ducts are for.
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August 8, 2011 11:03:00 PM

We're just recommending the 6870 due to the budget constraint - otherwise I'd be wholeheartedly pushing either a 6950 or 560Ti.

Reference coolers generally exhaust out the expansion slot, so the hot air ends up outside the case rather than inside. I'm not fond of any aftermarket GPU cooler (not limited to MSI's Frozr), but that's just personal opinion.
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August 10, 2011 4:28:44 AM

I c. Well im trying to make a build with i-2500k and 560ti for under 800
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August 10, 2011 11:25:13 AM

Take a look at this and start trimming it down. You can definitely save on the case by dropping to an Antec 100, and there are numerous combos with CPUs, motherboards, and GPUs on Newegg that will save you anywhere from $10-30 usually.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HaK
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August 17, 2011 9:11:03 PM

Ok ive decided to be flexible and go with the EVGA 560 ti but my next question concerning ram is should i got 4 2Gb Ram sticks or 2 4GB i have 4 slots on my mobo that can run at dual channel?
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August 17, 2011 10:26:03 PM

The EVGA cards are great, and the one I put in that partpicker build has a lifetime warranty. Their warranty terms are pretty good too.

If you only want 8GB ever, the 4x2GB kit will be ok. It is technically a little slower than 2x4GB, but you won't notice it. The upside to 2x4GB is that you can drop in another kit if you ever need/want to. In general, the two types of kits are the same price or differ only by a few bucks.
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August 20, 2011 4:10:27 AM

OP here update on my build completed as of a few hours ago :) 
975 Be 3.7 ghz I believe down from the 980 due to no stock
4x2 gb ddr3 1600 ram from Kingston
700 w cooler master power supply
Cm II 690 advanced case
2tb 64 mb cache sata 3 7200 rpm hitachi drive
Pny 560 ti graphics card
Asus sabertooth 990 chipset mobo
A fairly generic Sony DVD writer / reader total cost 1100 well so much for budgets...
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August 20, 2011 4:13:09 AM

Also this being my first thread I am very impressed by this communties knowledge and helpfulness I'm not sure how this works but I'd like to give all of you the best answer selection if possible :) 
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August 20, 2011 4:25:39 AM

lwhennen said:
OP here update on my build completed as of a few hours ago :) 
975 Be 3.7 ghz I believe down from the 980 due to no stock
4x2 gb ddr3 1600 ram from Kingston
700 w cooler master power supply
Cm II 690 advanced case
2tb 64 mb cache sata 3 7200 rpm hitachi drive
Pny 560 ti graphics card
Asus sabertooth 990 chipset mobo
A fairly generic Sony DVD writer / reader total cost 1100 well so much for budgets...

well.... again the 970 is weak sauce compared to the i5 2500k. hitachi drives arent recommended. for 1100$ we can get you a gtx 570.
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August 20, 2011 4:44:57 AM

i5 2500k & Scythe Mugen 3- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... 257$ with this cpu cooler you can easily get it up to 4.5ghz

Gigabyte Z68 UD3 & Corsair 8gb 1600mhz- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... 193$

Corsair HX850 & Samsung F3 1tb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... 215$

Rosewill Blackhawk- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 90$ great cooling. it actually cools better than the HAF X but it is a little bit louder

Asus DVD Burner- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 20$

MSI GTX 570- http://www.amazon.com/MSI-N570GTX-Twin-Frozr-Power/dp/B... 325$

Total=1100$
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August 20, 2011 2:17:50 PM

lwhennen said:
OP here update on my build completed as of a few hours ago :) 
975 Be 3.7 ghz I believe down from the 980 due to no stock
4x2 gb ddr3 1600 ram from Kingston
700 w cooler master power supply
Cm II 690 advanced case
2tb 64 mb cache sata 3 7200 rpm hitachi drive
Pny 560 ti graphics card
Asus sabertooth 990 chipset mobo
A fairly generic Sony DVD writer / reader total cost 1100 well so much for budgets...


Do you mean that you just configured it online in a shopping cart somewhere or actually built it. Even @ a $750 budget, mjmjpfaff was getting you an i5 and a 560Ti. The budget increase could have gotten a better GPU still paired with the i5...


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I am running the MSI TF3 6950 2GB and having a gpu made with quality parts that the manufactures used to factory overclock it makes me giddy. The fact that it disperses heat into the case doesn't change my opinion on it any since you still need good airflow even for a card that exhausts the heat outside the case.


With my Raven's airflow design, the internal exhaust cards are essentially unacceptable. All of the air is moving up, so EE designs work significantly better.
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August 20, 2011 3:19:03 PM

i thought that heat rises so that wouldnt be a problem....
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August 20, 2011 4:03:15 PM

The EE design keeps the air from being dumped into the case, which would resist the natural/forced (4 fans directed upward) path of the hot air. It's more efficient for the GPU(s) to pull air upward out the top because the air is already moving that way, which makes it cool better (the Raven/Fortress series specifically). This doesn't apply to every case.

Plus, SLI/CF GPUs will be cooler since there isn't a heat dump on the PCBs. I've heard that there's somewhat of a problem with the Frozr coolers and this, but I haven't owned one so I don't know if it's a true design problem or just a case airflow issue.
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August 20, 2011 7:22:06 PM

OK enough about air.
To Lwhennen:

First of all get mobo with one pci x save money which you can spend for better GPU. Like someone said even if you planning on getting second gpu later most of the people never do. Also progress goes so fast that you most likely to get a brand new gpu .. pcix 3.0 is coming soon. I put a built together with i-5 2500k and 6950 1Gb and thanks to microcenter it fit into 800 with shipping and taxes after MIR. So think about it ...
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August 21, 2011 4:55:30 AM

madchemist83 said:
OK enough about air.
To Lwhennen:

First of all get mobo with one pci x save money which you can spend for better GPU. Like someone said even if you planning on getting second gpu later most of the people never do. Also progress goes so fast that you most likely to get a brand new gpu .. pcix 3.0 is coming soon. I put a built together with i-5 2500k and 6950 1Gb and thanks to microcenter it fit into 800 with shipping and taxes after MIR. So think about it ...


We're trying to figure out if he bought that AMD config already...
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