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August 3, 2011 12:15:49 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: within 2 weeks

Budget Range: $850

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming and internet. List of games I will use it for: warcraft 3, starcraft 2, Dota 2, Diablo 3

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, tigerdirect, manufacturer's websites... not too picky

Country of Origin: United States

Parts Preferences: I value mobility a lot, as I go to friends houses to game a lot. So I'm thinking of getting the NZXT vulcan case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) Which is a micro ATX case with a handle at the top.


Overclocking: Maybe


SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor resolution: I don't know. I care about frames per second more than resolution.

Additional Comments:
I'm new to building a computer so I don't know whats good or not.. but I did look up some things that would probably land the computer around $850.

Motherboard: EVGA P67 SLI Micro
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=120-SB-E67...

Graphics: GeForce GTX 560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: Intel Core i5-2400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thats $135 + $190 + $190 = $515 for those 3. and another 60 for the case... $575 so far...
August 3, 2011 12:25:52 PM

Check out the $550 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Just change the i3 2100 to the i5 2400 you've selected, and you're good to go. Oh and get the NZXT Vulcan of course.

EVGA P67 mobo's are overpriced, expecially since that is mATX motherboard, and not a ATX. If you feel that you want to CF/SLI, use get this MB to save some money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And get the 6870 instead of the GTX 560. That way you can dual card in the future. Also get this PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You should end up totaling up about... $680.
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August 3, 2011 12:26:37 PM

Oh BTW, You can't not care about resolution. The resolution is your monitor and you already have a monitor. What resolution is it?
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August 3, 2011 1:03:43 PM

The monitor I will be using is 1600 by 900.. sorry I didn't know at the time. $680? amazing. ill get back to you in a bit... I'm going to take some time to read through all the links you gave me... THANKS!
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August 3, 2011 1:30:10 PM

the i5-2500 is only $5 more at the moment.
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August 3, 2011 2:09:01 PM

What about the MSI P67S-C43 Motherboard? its $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and the PSU you linked says its compatible with Intel P55/P67/Z68 and AMD platforms..

and since I'm getting an intel motherboard, shouldn't I get an Nvidia GPU? or does it not make a difference whether its AMD or Nvidia?

and again- thanks for the help. this has been stressing me out so much haha
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August 3, 2011 2:36:50 PM

So I calculated everything:

Case:
NZXT Vulcan Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$69.99

Motherboards:
MSI P67S-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$104.99 (94.99 MIR, $7.56 shipping)

(OR)

GIGABYTE GA-H67M-D2-B3 LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$99.99 ($4.99 shipping)

Processor:
Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$189.99

Graphics Card:
SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$174.99 ($154.99 MIR)

Power Supply:
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$89.99 ($2.99 shipping)


RAM:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$30.99

Hard Drive:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$59.99

rounds out to be $760 including tax and shipping. thats leaves me with $100 to spend on thermal paste, fans/cooling, etc. Maybe a new mouse n keyboard too...

perfect!
Thanks so much for the help!
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August 3, 2011 2:44:58 PM

It doesn't make a difference. And OK, since I know your resolution now. I think don't even need to think about CF/SLI. @ 1600x900 the 560 GTX or 6870 for that matter would run very well. In fact a bit of overkill as well.

Drop the MB back down to this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(The P67 you linked is ATX, ATX = doesn't fit in mATX cases)

Drop the PSU down to this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Don't worry it is plenty of power for your system.

If you could get the i5 2400 off Amazon :D  Since I get commission that'd be great or the F3 1TB! Just buy it off those links!
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-2400-Processor-3-10GHz-L...
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

Amazon fufills it, I just recommend it :p  It'd help towards my upgrades in the future. Though if you want to buy it all of Newegg I totally understand!
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August 3, 2011 2:58:19 PM

Oh well I plan on getting a new monitor in the future- and since I'm already below my budget- shall I just stick with the bigger prices? ( I was even thinking of getting the i5 2500k for 30 more :p )

And yes, I'd be glad to buy things off amazon for your help!
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August 3, 2011 4:11:31 PM

Oh OK, well if you plan on using up your entire budget. Would you be willing to move up to ATX sized cases?
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August 4, 2011 2:32:17 AM

I really liked the vulcan because of its portability. are there any ATX cases that are similar? like handles or easy enough to carry?
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August 4, 2011 3:29:41 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 - $64.99 after mail-in rebate FREE SHIPPING
Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $269.98 save: $13.00 - $20.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory with heatshield Model PSD38G1600KH

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $184.99 - $164.99 after mail-in rebate card Save $10 w/ promo code ASUS466, ends 8/31
ASUS ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Total: $827.92 *not including shipping, mail in rebates, and promo codes

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $29.49 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
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August 4, 2011 5:05:04 AM

i just did a very similar build.

If you are sticking with the vulcan and therefore Micro ATX then you should checkout what i just ordered. If you tack on a SSD that should bring the total price to right around your range.

If you have decided to jump up to an atx mid-tower, then disregard this post.
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August 4, 2011 6:04:05 AM

-_- SMH Why_Me.

Why_Me basically posted what I would post. Kind of.

2500K + MSI P67A-G43 - $330 + ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600 $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung F3 1TB - $60
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...
CM Scout $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
LEPA 850w $100 ($50 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sapphire 6950 1GB $245 ($15 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total: $850 before rebates

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August 4, 2011 7:48:23 PM

Alright, I've went a different route and this is what I came up with.
Priority: Mobility and Power

CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 $299.99
M/B: Asus P8H61-I $89.99
RAM: Mushkin 8GB (2x4GB) $49.99
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 560 $189.99
HDD: WD 500GB $39.99
ODD: Samsung DVD-RW $18.99
PSU: SilverStone 450w $79.99
Case: Lian Li Mini-ITX case $79.99

Subtotal before shipping $843.92
In that you get a Core i7, 8GB, and mini-itx case so it's easier for you to carry it to your friend's house.
As for the NZXT Vulcan, some say that handle is trash. It's held up by 4 small screws and most have
doubt that handle will take the weight of their precious and expensive components.
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August 5, 2011 12:48:36 AM

Sorry for the delay- Big oak tree smashed into the wires in front of my house and power was out all last night.

@lp231 if you calculate tax into that (and shipping for that matter) it will end up more around 900+

I am currently looking through all of these possibilities presented to me and am still debating between the vulcan or scout build. gimme a bit for me to calculate everything...
Once again thanks for the help everyone, its greatly appreciated...

...brb
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August 5, 2011 2:42:27 AM

Storm Scout Build:

Case: Storm Scout -$79.99

Motherboard and CPU Combo: $309.98

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K + MSI P67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Graphics Card: $154.99

SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: $54.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $64.99

(I've never heard of the LEDA company and it had no reviews, so I felt more comfortable choosing antec. If you think otherwise let me know)
Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive: $59.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand Total (including rebates, tax and shipping) --- $810.10

Vulcan Build:

Case: NZXT Vulcan -$69.99

Motherboard and CPU Bundle: $359.98
MSI Z68MA-ED55 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard + Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
And the rest is the same as the Storm Scout Build:
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 -$154.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw 8GB -$54.99
PSU: Antec 750W -$64.99
HD: Samsung 1TB $59.99

Grand Total (including rebates, tax and shipping) --- $839.93


So the Vulcan build is $30 more (unless if I were to switch to the i5-2500K + 8G RAM bundle and choose a cheaper mobo) and doesn't support sli or crossfire.

I'm leaning towards the Storm Scout Build just because I don't think moving from mATX to Mid-tower is that big of a difference in mobility. And I don't see a big performance difference between the two so the decision is still a hard one.

Thoughts?


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August 5, 2011 2:55:29 AM

One of my friends told me to go with an amd processor... hm...
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August 5, 2011 3:12:44 AM

why did your friend tell you to go AMD? Unless it was in anticipation of steamroller i se no benefit whatsoever. i5 2500k is the best bang for the buck out there.

also, might want to consider the ASRock mobo for the Vulcan build. great reviews and cheap. should get the prices a little closer
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August 5, 2011 3:43:21 AM

@ghengiskron
Nice. Thanks a bunch!

And yeah- I think out of the two the storm scout is looking better- not too much of a hassle to carry around. Although I don't see myself walking to my friends house with it- would probably need to drive every time now :p 

@ian
He said that the i5 is unnecessary because all I'll be doing is gaming on it. He said I could save a lot of money going with a Phenom II quad core processor and an AMD motherboard and I'd get the same performance out of it since the games I play aren't insanely demanding.

oh yeah I did read the 14 page review on that mobo. definitely considering that one.
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August 5, 2011 3:52:58 AM

Lepa is a great company. The company can also be referred to as Enermax. One of the very best of PSU brands.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/20/lepa_b_series...

Your friend is very correct. But if that is the case, you don't even need your 6870. A 6850 or 550 Ti for that matter could max out at 1600x900.
Another thing, you don't really need those crazy PSUs as I've noticed CF/SLI would be bad for you since most of the games you're going to run are Blizzard games, they don't really run dual cards very well. In fact they end up getting very little performance gain. So you can save and downgrade the PSU but if you consider MIRs to be the price then I guess you're already saving.
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August 5, 2011 4:13:53 AM

Scameron said:
Sorry for the delay- Big oak tree smashed into the wires in front of my house and power was out all last night.

@lp231 if you calculate tax into that (and shipping for that matter) it will end up more around 900+

I am currently looking through all of these possibilities presented to me and am still debating between the vulcan or scout build. gimme a bit for me to calculate everything...
Once again thanks for the help everyone, its greatly appreciated...

...brb


Remove the Core i7 and replace with Core i5 2500K, and it's comes out to $743.92, there now you have $100 bucks for shipping and taxes.
And cases with handles does not automatically mean portability...
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August 5, 2011 4:32:31 AM

aznshinobi said:
Lepa is a great company. The company can also be referred to as Enermax. One of the very best of PSU brands.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/20/lepa_b_series...

Your friend is very correct. But if that is the case, you don't even need your 6870. A 6850 or 550 Ti for that matter could max out at 1600x900.
Another thing, you don't really need those crazy PSUs as I've noticed CF/SLI would be bad for you since most of the games you're going to run are Blizzard games, they don't really run dual cards very well. In fact they end up getting very little performance gain. So you can save and downgrade the PSU but if you consider MIRs to be the price then I guess you're already saving.


Okay I will recalculate for the Lepa PSU.

One thing I didn't mention:
I plan on upgrading my monitor before the end of the year.

So the biggest thing on my mind at the moment is switching to AMD mobo and cpu. I could leave it like that or upgrade the graphics card with the money I would be saving, which is more important for gaming...
damnit I've spent this entire day putting all this stuff together and then I get presented with more options. computer building is really frustrating and I'm not even to the hard part yet :p 
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August 5, 2011 4:40:12 AM

OK Well go AMD for now, that'll save you cash. I suggest the 955 and the Asrock Extreme4 970. That'll save quite a bit. Then i would suggest trying to get the 560 Ti or the 6950 1 or 2 GB version.
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August 5, 2011 5:51:00 AM

replacing the CPU MB and GPU with AMD:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
$119.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$104.99 (94.99 MIR, 7.87 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....
SAPPHIRE 100312-3SR Radeon HD 6950 Dirt3 Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
$264.99 (249.99 MIR, 7.87 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That will bring the new grand total to $690

thats a little under what I would like to spend but it seems it will run my games better than the last build since it has a better graphics card.

If that all seems good to you aznshinobi then I think I'm going to call my friend and talk it over then order it--
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August 5, 2011 11:52:25 AM

Looks solid. I actually was looking at that specific 6950, I plan on upgrading to that if I don't wait until 7xxx.
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August 5, 2011 3:47:30 PM

The final build:

Case:

Storm Scout
-$79.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:

ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS (Supports SLI/Crossfire)
$104.99 (94.99 MIR, 7.87 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

Processor:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
$119.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card:

SAPPHIRE 100312-1GDP Radeon HD 6950 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
$244.99 (224.99 MIR, 4.99 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:

LEPA B850-MA 850W ATX12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$99.99 (49.99 MIR)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-8GBXH
$69.99 ($59.99 w/ promo code)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive:

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$59.99 ($49.99 with promo code)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Total: $698.42 after tax shipping mail in rebates and promo codes.

this leaves me $150 extra to go into a new mouse, keyboard, cooling and an investment in a new monitor. I'm sure this will run anything I'll be throwing at it at max settings and if I ever have any problems I can upgrade this cheap processor to a bulldozer.

I'm pretty sure this is what I'll be ordering, if you think I should change anything let me know.

many thanks to you aznshinobi for all your help.


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August 5, 2011 3:50:22 PM

Best answer selected by Scameron.
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August 5, 2011 4:40:38 PM

Looks solid! You should save the $150 and wait for BD to release then pop that Quad-core BD in, it should run about $180-$190 estimated pricing.
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