Choosing the Graphics card

[truexgaming]

Whats up guys?I need help with a problem i have now about picking a graphic card.

My system i will order

PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-006-LA

CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-277-AM

HDD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-336-WD

Mobo
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-176-MS

G.card
I first choosed the GTX 560 SOC of gigabyte 950 MHz but now its no longer in stock on overclockers and i heard a lot of problems of it being unstable.Now i am thinking of GTX 560 MSI twin frozr but i heard that its noisy.And i am waiting for the Ati 5870 as well to get in stock but i am not sure.So u can recommend me freely.

Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-161-AN

Cpu cooler AM3+
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-041-ZA

RAM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-177-OC

So what u think of my system i will order?Also i would aprecciate if u choose a card from overclockers so i buy it from there.My monitor is LG Flatron 19 inches 1280x720 but i will move to 1920x1080 soon.Cheap things also please i dont have enough money or i would have a GTX 590

 

[truexgaming]

Yeah its for gaming.Also i heard that the 6950 6970 are having drivers problems.I live in europe greece.Also if u know any good cheap shop in europe tell me

 

[truexgaming]

paypal only

 

[chillin15]

Whats up guys?I need help with a problem i have now about picking a graphic card.

My system i will order

PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-006-LA

CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-277-AM

HDD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-336-WD

Mobo
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-176-MS

G.card
I first choosed the GTX 560 SOC of gigabyte 950 MHz but now its no longer in stock on overclockers and i heard a lot of problems of it being unstable.Now i am thinking of GTX 560 MSI twin frozr but i heard that its noisy.And i am waiting for the Ati 5870 as well to get in stock but i am not sure.So u can recommend me freely.

Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-161-AN

Cpu cooler AM3+
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-041-ZA

RAM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-177-OC

So what u think of my system i will order?Also i would aprecciate if u choose a card from overclockers so i buy it from there.My monitor is LG Flatron 19 inches 1280x720 but i will move to 1920x1080 soon.Cheap things also please i dont have enough money or i would have a GTX 590

the twin frozr II design makes the card quieter than reference. However, quiet does not mean silent. If you want it to be real quiet, you will either have to flash the bios and alter fan speeds or use msi afterburner and get those fan speeds down to a min ie 20%. (do this only on idle plz )

The GTX 560 Ti Phantom 2 from what I hear is also very quiet - maybe even more quiet than the twin frozr. It is not available in the US but should be available in the UK.

Another quiet card would be the asus direct cu ii coolers - you should see if they have one for the 560 ti.

 

[truexgaming]

the twin frozr II design makes the card quieter than reference. However, quiet does not mean silent. If you want it to be real quiet, you will either have to flash the bios and alter fan speeds or use msi afterburner and get those fan speeds down to a min ie 20%. (do this only on idle plz )

The GTX 560 Ti Phantom 2 from what I hear is also very quiet - maybe even more quiet than the twin frozr. It is not available in the US but should be available in the UK.

Another quiet card would be the asus direct cu ii coolers - you should see if they have one for the 560 ti.

they do have the ASUS direct cu ii and i think the phantom as well but noise doesnt bother me i need a good graphics card which i will run with fraps as well for a cheap price

 

[chillin15]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-128-MS this will outperform all the cards we mentioned. Is that within your budget?

 

[truexgaming]

i can actually but doesnt 6000 series has drivers problems?and i saw that 560 is better than 6950?

 

[chillin15]

The 560 ti is not better than the 6950. If were to aggregate all the benchmarks for both these cards, the 560 ti would trail the 6950 by a slight margin.

The 6950 also has 2gb of ram which will help if you ever want to move to dual monitors or more.

I am not aware of any driver probs and I currently run an amd card.

 

[truexgaming]

also i will unlock it aswell?what do u get when u unlock it to 6970?is it safe also?

 

[truexgaming]

The 560 ti is not better than the 6950. If were to aggregate all the benchmarks for both these cards, the 560 ti would trail the 6950 by a slight margin.

The 6950 also has 2gb of ram which will help if you ever want to move to dual monitors or more.

I am not aware of any driver probs and I currently run an amd card.

so the amd 6950 outperforms GTX 560 ti?

 

[truexgaming]

also is a 650 watt modular PSU enough for this build? and which cpu should i get amd x4 965 or x6 1100T

 

[chillin15]

This is just the 1 gb version of the 6950:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/1
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1533/1/
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/02/24/amd_radeon_hd_6950_1gb_performance_review/4

Same conclusion: 6950 1gb > 560 ti by a slight margin on average.

 

[truexgaming]

ok do u have skype?so we talk there

 

[chillin15]

You can ask your questions here, I'll try my best to answer them to the best of my ability. Also, I'm sure others would want to give their input also.

If you get a 560 ti, a 650 w should be enough. This all depends on the brand and reliability of the psu.

The one you have chosen is from lepa, which is a budget brand from enermax if I am not mistaken. I would not recommend purchasing this. Look for any corsair, seasonic, or antec PSUs as they are more reliable. PSUs are very important

Many 6950s are now locked so it is impossible to unlock them to a 6970 through flashing the bios. You can, however, OC them and unlock the shaders which yields a a good enough performance increase for most people.

 

[truexgaming]

What if i get a 6950?Also Lepa is not bad.But i heard flashing to 6970 is very dangerous.How many watts should i need for the 6950 with the x6 phenom ii 1100t

 

[truexgaming]

i found a 750 watt here

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-116-AN&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1088

antec one.What do you say?Also is it enough for CF 6950 watt or i need more?
If i do anything to my 6950 only a shader overclock which is absolutely safe.

 

[chillin15]

That is a good PSU.

750 should be enough to CF 6950. Especially with that antec psu. Feel free to confirm here:

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Unlocking shaders and unlocking to a 6970 involve flashing your bios which is more dangerous than just overclocking. If your overclock is unstable, it would just reset down. You can, however, brick you card by flashing.

However, there are always step by step guides online to show you how to flash your bios.

 

[truexgaming]

Alright i think i wont touch it or do anything.Maybe i get this then http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-148-OK&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752.What do u think?

 

[truexgaming]

So its a nice card huh?Did u unlock?And what cpu u using?850 watts is way enough i think 750 can do its job as well

 

[truexgaming]

I used the calculator of the psu and with CF and my cpu it needs 760 minimum 724 so i dont need a 850 watts.Well i dont mind buying 850 watts but i dont have the money.Later maybe.Also note that i wont use CF till christmas so it should be good

 

[AdrianPerry]

Just to note, the 560Ti SOC isn't unstable at 950MHz.

It was originally factory clocked at 1GHz core, this became unstable and then Gigabyte down clocked it back to 950MHz.

However - your probably just as well spending less and buying the standard OC (factory @ 900mhz) and overclocking it yourself.

 

[AdrianPerry]

Unless your looking at SLI, you only need a 500w PSU for a single 6950.

Also the GTX 560Ti out-performs a 6950 in overclocking terms. Unless your getting the 6950 significantly cheaper, id stick with a 560.

 

[truexgaming]

Unless your looking at SLI, you only need a 500w PSU for a single 6950.

Also the GTX 560Ti out-performs a 6950 in overclocking terms. Unless your getting the 6950 significantly cheaper, id stick with a 560.

Hmmm maybe i get the ASUS GTX 560 OR THE TWIN FROZR II but they 1 GB but they a lot of cheaper.I get the options of GIGABYTE OC, MSI TWIN FROZR, Asus Direct cu ii.I dont know what to get maybe the ASUS one .Still the 6950 better i think i get this

 

[AdrianPerry]

They are all very comparable.

In terms of the 560's, ideally aim for something with 2 fans. This will allow for better cooling and generally more overclock potential. ASUS, MSI and GIGABYTE are all good cards.

 

[truexgaming]

Yeah i am not an overclocker so i go for the 6950 and later with CF too.It has enough memory which will handle feature games better and it out performs 560 as well.So i think thats the end of it.

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