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November 3, 2011 2:45:23 AM

see some posting that their oc'ed fx-8150 is getting 7.9 on the wei index. this just flat out lying? i know the wei index is dumb, but it still means something.

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November 3, 2011 2:49:55 AM

How OC'ed? My i7 970 at 3.6 gets 7.8, so 7.9 certainly seems possible with the right chip and OC.
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November 3, 2011 2:53:07 AM

yea from that standpoint it seems logical, but afaik most people have hit the 7.8 wall even with highly oc'ed 2600k's.
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November 3, 2011 3:56:14 AM

I have 7.7 from fx-8120@3.84ghz. Could get alot more out of this cpu, but no time to tweak now. Have noticed fx-8120@3.84ghz crunch 1 hour faster world community grid clear water 64 bit task than phenom II x6 @3ghz. fx 3h20mins and PII 4h20mins. Have to install scythe mugen to my PII and then overclock it to same clocks and see how close cpus are.
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November 3, 2011 4:12:30 AM

one word - screenshot

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November 3, 2011 4:45:34 AM

Windows Index is bugged, Sometimes you get bugged scores.

You can also mod your scores to show all 7.9.

i tested my i5 2500k @ 5Ghz and still only got a 7.7.
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November 3, 2011 4:56:49 AM

trihedral said:
Windows Index is bugged, Sometimes you get bugged scores.

You can also mod your scores to show all 7.9.

i tested my i5 2500k @ 5Ghz and still only got a 7.7.


This. I have 2600Ks getting 7.1 at work and yet its the top in its area.

WEI is nice but nothing to worry about.

Just as an example, my Q6600 @ 3GHz gets 7.3 which is pretty high for almost 5 year old CPU. Strangley my HD5870 only gets 6.2. Probably the 11.1 Bets drivers I have been using.
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November 3, 2011 5:47:51 AM

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my Q6600 @ 3GHz gets 7.3...I have 2600Ks getting 7.1 at work


And this is why I don't pay any attention to synthetic crap like WEI or 3DMark. Programs that just make up a score are useless. So my answer is who cares?
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November 3, 2011 7:25:42 AM

No one
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November 3, 2011 7:34:39 AM

Anyone know how the WEI actually works?
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November 3, 2011 9:10:22 AM

It looks at your hardware and assigns a predetermined score. But it doesn't look at the hardware's ability. If it sees a mechanical drive, 5.9 is the best you'll ever get. Doesn't matter if you have a raptor that can write faster then some SSDs. That SSD with the 40MB/s write speed will get a higher score simply because its an SSD. This makes WEI garbage.

If it ran some test and gave a score based on that then it might be useful. But if its going to say, "its X device, so give it Y score", then its just up to MS to assign scores however it sees fit.
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November 3, 2011 9:14:00 AM

Woah! That is crap! I think MS should do something about this. Have something like 3DMark or PCMark inbuilt with the OS in future!
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November 3, 2011 9:26:17 AM

4745454b said:
It looks at your hardware and assigns a predetermined score. But it doesn't look at the hardware's ability.


That is not true. If you index your CPU on stock settings and then index it after a substantial overclock, it will score higher. I do not know what test WEI uses, but it does test the CPU in some way.
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November 3, 2011 9:33:47 AM

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OMG retested and now got 7.5 for cpu?
WTF!


Make sure you perform the indexing in a fresh session - just after restarting your PC, so that the conditions are the same all the time and not influenced by background programs.
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November 3, 2011 9:34:16 AM

tulx said:
That is not true. If you index your CPU on stock settings and then index it after a substantial overclock, it will score higher. I do not know what test WEI uses, but it does test the CPU in some way.

It could be that Windows assigns different scores clocked and overclocked CPU's! That is why the change in score!
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November 3, 2011 9:38:06 AM

I feel its sometimes annoying to say the least.I mean i also sometimes have this problem.I have a HDD Black carviar which gets a pretty low WEI score.
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November 3, 2011 9:40:31 AM

Right, but why the higher score? Because the CPU can do more work, or simply because its clocked higher? If it looks at hardware and says quad core at 2-2.5GHz gets a 5.5, and a quad at 2.5-3.2 gets a 5.9, OCing your quad from 2.2GHz to 3.0 will cause your CPU score to go up. No mechanical drive scores higher then 5.9. I don't remember where they top out in AID0.

It should run a test. Read/write scores averaged out = X score. Time to convert X to Y for a CPU = X score. That would make more sense.
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November 3, 2011 9:51:47 AM

Mine is 5.9... stuck there! Mechanical drive!
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November 4, 2011 8:50:54 PM

Intel ssd 40gb gives lowest points.
Specs for 7.7:
Fx-8120 @3.95ghz cooled with Corsair H100+4xGentle Typhoon 1850 rpm
4x2gb HyperX ddr3 1600mhz
AMD 6870 1gb + Nvidia GTX460 1gb
Intel 40gb ssd
Thermaltake Toughpower XT 775W
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November 4, 2011 8:52:42 PM

Wei can be edited by notepad dont trust it just like this
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November 4, 2011 9:01:37 PM

someone has to post a 7.9, before bothering with being suspicious.
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November 4, 2011 9:10:00 PM

Microsoft noted that “people who have built high-scoring PCs generally have bought the following pieces:

•A quad-core desktop processor with at least 4 gigahertz (GHz) (with a water cooling kit for overclocking) or a six-core processor

•A socket 1366 motherboard

•A low-voltage desktop memory system with 12 GB of RAM

•A GTX 285 graphics card

•A 256 GB internal solid-state drive in a striped RAID 0 configuration

•A 1000-watt power supply.”
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November 4, 2011 10:25:30 PM

jimmysmitty said:
This. I have 2600Ks getting 7.1 at work and yet its the top in its area.

WEI is nice but nothing to worry about.

Just as an example, my Q6600 @ 3GHz gets 7.3 which is pretty high for almost 5 year old CPU. Strangley my HD5870 only gets 6.2. Probably the 11.1 Bets drivers I have been using.

you should be 7.8 on 2600k cpu and 7.6 on 5870 gpu. pretty much regardless of what driver version your using...
i get 7.6@3.6 (see my sig for full spec) and 7.8 for my gpu. consistently for the last 2 years so if your getting less there must be something wrong on your system, maybe a bios setting or o.s setting or a system compatibility issue.

1 thing that can throw off wie is not having the chipset nfo installed properly. on some motherboards you have to run the installer in vista compatibility mode when you use win 7 if you just run it as normal it says the install was completed but, it turns out nothing was written to disk...
another is having power savings set incorrectly... have the minimum cpu set to high and windows wont turbo the cpu correctly causing inaccurate scores.

5.9 isnt the max for a mechanical drive either. i have a 2 drive raid 0 setup and i get 6.2, all 3 of my big drives are spinpoint f3's which give higher burst than most any other mechanical drive including faster rpm units.
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November 4, 2011 10:37:04 PM

Why I get 7.6 for my 1100t stock , 7.6 on my gpu 6770 , I can see winblows giving an 8 core cpu at 4+ghz a 7.9 , not that winblows rating means much
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November 4, 2011 11:08:53 PM

Yeah, this Index thing in general seems quite confusing.
I think the real "problem" here is the target audience - we, PC literate people with extended knowledge in what makes up a fast system, might just be reading too much into it. The Index is proably meant for the usual PC buyer in the electronics store, so he can come to one laptop and say "oh, this has a higher index than the other one, so I'm buying this."
We don't really need an obscure index to tell us how fast our systems are, right?
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November 4, 2011 11:17:54 PM

As 4745454b said it's doesn't mean anything so who cares.
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November 4, 2011 11:55:31 PM

my question is, if you dont care, why bother posting on this thread? it's already been stated that the wei index is stupid. at the same time it is somewhat interesting notion if the oc'ed fx-8150 is scoring 7.9 and the oc'ed 2600k is getting 7.8.
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November 5, 2011 12:15:26 AM

Just trying to reassure you that its meaningless.
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November 5, 2011 12:20:45 AM

heh, little kid i guess.
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November 5, 2011 11:34:53 AM

Frizzo said:
see some posting that their oc'ed fx-8150 is getting 7.9 on the wei index. this just flat out lying? i know the wei index is dumb, but it still means something.


"...and 8 core systems to be able to approach 7.9"

...this is taken from a MSDN blog from 2009.

If you want to know what is being tested:

C:\Windows\Performance\WinSAT\DataStore\
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