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August 8, 2011 2:04:01 PM

Here ya go http://pcpartpicker.com/p/EPm

What could I improve on?

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August 8, 2011 2:33:52 PM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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August 8, 2011 3:11:50 PM

2xhd6970's with a 20" 1600x900 monitor is a CRIME. please fill out the form linked in my signature so we have all the necessary information to help you. its a great build in general. if this is a gaming build youd be fine with an i5-2500k, as the i7-2600k is going to give you little to no performance increase in games.

i would recommend a 24" 1080p monitor. 22" (21.5") bare minimum.
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August 8, 2011 3:47:26 PM
August 8, 2011 7:15:04 PM

forget about the laptop, I wasn't even going to get that one, my friend put that on for no reason lol
anyway would this be able to play BF3?
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August 8, 2011 7:20:13 PM

Also which is better, mjm's or mine
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August 8, 2011 7:29:59 PM

If you are building this as a gaming system I would advise that you step down to the Intel® Core™ i5-2500K. The reason why is that right now very few games can take advantage of more than 3 threads because of this the value of the hyper-threading on the Intel Core i7-2600K is very minimal for gamers. Without the hyper-threading the difference between Intel Core i7-2600K and the Intel Core i5-2500K comes down to 100MHz faster clock speed and 2MB more cache. So you need to ask yourself if these two differences are worth the extra $100 price. For most gamers the answer is that we would be better off speeding the money on something else.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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August 8, 2011 7:42:55 PM

adrennn said:
Also which is better, mjm's or mine

well mine because it includes a decent monitor....
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August 8, 2011 10:21:37 PM

I already said that I am not getting that monitor :/ 
@Intel how big of a difference can 100 Mhz make? Also will games in the future take advantage of hyper threading? I do have the future in mind
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August 8, 2011 10:45:13 PM

even if you get a 1080p 60hz monitor you are wasting your money. look into 120hz monitors for 3d gaming (i dont recommend it, it hurts my eyes), multi monitor setups, or single high resolution setups. change the monitor in my build i posted to this- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 8, 2011 10:54:48 PM

I don't have much interest in 3D gaming, I could run multimonitor in the future, I want a single HiRes setup right now, should I use what you just posted?
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August 8, 2011 11:42:37 PM

You should really get a ~128gb solid state drive - they help a lot with gaming. Also, the 100Mhz and 2mb cache difference between the i5-2500K and i7-2600K is nothing - it's not really worth $100. Hyperthreading makes a difference in some applications but gaming is not currently one of them. Slowly more games will make use of hyperthreading, but it is my understanding that it will not be a prohibitive factor in the life of the i7s. I'm not an expert or a fortune teller, but that was also a significant concern of mine during my recent cpu research.

In terms of video cards, the gtx 570 that mjmjpfaff has better benchmarks than your hd 6970 in single card configurations and the 570s are, if anything, cheaper.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

I understand the hesitation to spend an extra $300 on a monitor after buying an $1800 computer, but you do lose a lot of the benifits of $600 worth of gpu on a 1600 x 900 resolution.

You might also want to think about a motherboard that supports 2 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots in x16/x16 configuration, but that will be expensive. The one your list is only x8/x8 but that's pretty common. If you're going to stick with x8/x8 I recommend the ASUS P8Z68-V PRO. It's personal preference really, but ASUS is a solid company with great service. I don't know that my ASUS will be *better* than your ASRock, but that would be my recommendation.
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August 9, 2011 12:42:18 AM

@danraies, does it benchmark better in duel card?
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August 9, 2011 1:29:41 AM

I don't know about the duel card setup, it's harder to find benchmarks for that. Opinions between the two are just going to reflect personal preferences between red and green. I'm not a video card expert so I can't really weigh in, but if I had to make a decision I'd probably go with the cheaper option. You also might want to look up some of the specific games you play - some are better on SLI and some are better on CrossFire.

The build looks good; you should get a lot of performance out of that. You'll like the i5-2500K and it's really easy to overclock. The only thing I would revise is the PSU and that's only because it's not a brand name. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with them, but you are rolling the dice with the off-brand power supplies. Names like Corsair and Antec are reliable and have great customer service. The PSU below is an Antec model about the same price (with shipping):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371050
A single +12V rail is better (which is what your Seasonic model has) but with power supplies brand names do mean something. If you're willing to spend a little more, this is a good option:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009
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August 9, 2011 1:45:10 AM

ok well first off the monitor you just picked is smaller has a slower response time and costs more!

Hanns-g 27" 1920x1200 montior- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 270$ hanns-g makes great monitors if you dont know the brand....

windows 7 oem- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 100$

i5 2500k- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 220$

Gigabyte Z68 UD3- http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-DDR3-Motherboards-... 160$ pretty much the same motherboard as the z68 extreme4 for less (they are both z68's have 8 phases has usb 3.0.....)

Scythe Mugen 3- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 50$

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 50$

EVGA GTX 570- http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DisplayPort-PCI-Expr... 290$ after m.i.r. the cards you listed are triple slot they wont fit on the motherboard you selected

EVGA GTX 570- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 298$ after m.i.r. & shipping (get 1 one from each store so you can get 2 mail in rebates you can only get 1 mail in rebate per store!!! it says in the restrictions!)

OCZ Solid 3 120gb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 160$

Silverstone Raven- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo... 140$ this case cools better than the haf x thanks to its unique design

GSKILL 8gb 1600mhz- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 60$

Cooler master silent pro 850w psu- http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Modular-Certified-R... 138$

Asus DVD Burner- http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=d... 21$

Total=1937$ you can drop the ssd if you want it wont help you in game.... if you do i suggest getting the corsair h60 with 2 of the aftermarket fans- http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Case-R4-C2R-2...
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August 9, 2011 1:47:28 AM

lol @danraies. this thread is fail.
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August 9, 2011 1:48:04 AM

that lepa psu is great but it only has a 1 yr. warranty and hardocp reviewed it. they tested it and it barely missed out on a bronze rating :??: 
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August 9, 2011 1:50:02 AM

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What you could do is buy the single 6970 for right now, spend $199.99 on the ACER 24inch 2ms response time 1920x1080 resolution monitor.

When BF3 releases, pick up your second 6970.

You should look into getting a Crucial M4 128gb SSD its a beast @ $219.99

I plan on picking up a second msi 6950 tf3 for my pc when bf3 releases so yeah ^_^

The psu you should get to power the 6970's (great product)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If I hadn't purchased my TX850W corsair enthusiast psu already I would have bought two of these with the price I paid for mine + a few extra dollars lol >_>

for fps games people prefer 3 or 1 monitors to 2 because it splits it right in the middle :??: 
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August 9, 2011 2:18:22 AM

oops! somehow i thought you said add another monitor when you said add another 6970. wow need to get my eyes checked.
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August 9, 2011 2:21:14 AM

genghiskron said:
lol @danraies. this thread is fail.


Heh, not sure what you mean. there have been worse.
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August 9, 2011 2:23:01 AM

genghiskron said:
lol @danraies. this thread is fail.

try to bring some sense into it then....
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August 9, 2011 2:32:24 AM

no need to throw stones friends. sorry for any mistakes.
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August 9, 2011 2:44:26 AM

genghis, instead of trollin', mabye you could actually help? :/ 

Is an SSD necessary? It seems like its paying tons more money, for less space, but faster loading times, amirite?

@p07head, could you get me a link to that monitor, I gtg right now
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August 9, 2011 2:55:31 AM

k i think he got it......

it isnt necessary its just nice. it will just help you load things faster

p07h34d's monitor suggestion is a single 1080p monitor fyi.....
i would only suggest a single 6970 or 570 at that resolution and when games become harder to play get another 570/6970.
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August 9, 2011 3:08:07 AM

ya but i have found out that with a normal hdd you can still be first on the map.... (i play bf bc2) i have a slower wd hdd too.
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August 9, 2011 4:05:14 AM

i just upgraded my ram to 4x2gb 1600mhz corsair xms3 ram...and i was first with just 4gb's too. you really think it is the ram?

i beat people by a good 2-3 seconds so an ssd does speed it up....

ya i always team switch haha :D 
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August 9, 2011 2:22:47 PM

Ok, I'm not getting a SSD

What motherboard should I get?
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August 9, 2011 2:30:43 PM

also what CPU cooler should I get?
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August 9, 2011 3:49:37 PM

im sticking with my suggestions
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August 9, 2011 5:55:07 PM

ok, anyone else?
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August 9, 2011 6:17:59 PM

you hate my suggestions that much? it includes an ssd and a bigger monitor for just around 50$ more than the last build that you came up with
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August 9, 2011 7:01:22 PM

amd cpu's are very weak when compared to intel's new i5 and even i3 processors
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August 9, 2011 7:33:26 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
amd cpu's are very weak when compared to intel's new i5 and even i3 processors


Definitely. For about the same price the i5-2500K will smoke the phenom II x6.

Also, out of curiosity, is there a reason you're against an SSD other than the price? Because realistically, the best bang-for-your-buck upgrade to what you're currently looking at is an SSD.
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August 9, 2011 7:43:36 PM

im not against ssds other than their price.
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August 9, 2011 8:27:12 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
im not against ssds other than their price.


Sorry, that question was for Adrennn

Quote:
Ok, I'm not getting a SSD


Adrennn, is there a reason you're against an SSD other than the price?
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August 9, 2011 8:29:58 PM

Not really, just very expensive, if you can come up with a case of what the improve, and why I should get them, then I will consider

In the mean time, I made an AMAZING build, about to post it, hold on
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August 9, 2011 8:30:34 PM

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($193.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6970 2GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($339.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6970 2GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($339.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 950W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($145.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Sony DDU1681S-0B DVD/CD Drive ($20.48 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VH202T-P 20.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1714.83
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

Here is the case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 9, 2011 8:56:26 PM

the monitor is a joke right? i laughed. the i7-2600k is cheaper at newegg ($300).
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August 9, 2011 9:04:58 PM

again just take the ssd out of the build i made and you are good to go.
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August 9, 2011 9:05:27 PM

Whats wrong with a 20" monitor?
Oh, I dunno why it defaulted to amazon, please don't pay attention to where the parts are from, I'll get it as cheap as possible, trust me :) 
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August 9, 2011 9:06:57 PM

its 1600x900 monitor you can max out any game with a single 560 ti
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August 9, 2011 9:15:27 PM

you would also be amazed at the difference between a 20" and a 24" monitor. 4" may not sound like much, but it is, especially for only $60-80 more. worth every penny up to 24", upwards of that you start having to overpay.
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August 9, 2011 11:27:54 PM

I'm getting a 570, with a decent monitor, although I can play on whatever res is needed, I currently play on SUPER low res and it doesn't bother me that much
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August 10, 2011 3:03:53 AM

What about a 6970?
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August 10, 2011 3:54:26 PM

I can get the dell monitor for even cheaper, I have a discount
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