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June 6, 2011 12:50:12 AM

which graphics card will be better for gta iv, cod black ops on low or mabye meduim settings

http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=3...
or

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MSI-N430GT-GT-430-MD1GD3-O-C...

which is faster ??

my system specs are:

intel pentium d 925 (3ghz dual), (btw i know gta iv is a cpu hungry game)
500w solytech PSU
4gb ddr2 533mhz ram
200gb sata hdd
Asterope3-GL8E motherboard
asus en9500gt magic 512mb ddr2 ( i need to upgrade)

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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 6, 2011 6:59:48 AM

5670 is faster but I definitely recommend upgrading your CPU too because it's not just enough for today's games/apps especially with titles like GTA which benefit a lot from the CPU
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June 6, 2011 7:54:00 AM

But what about the msi overclocked gt 430 since it's clocked at 2000mhz and the power color 5670 ddr3 1gb is only 1334mhz and they are both gddr3
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 6, 2011 9:30:38 AM

5670 is still much faster
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-430-gf10...
"If your needs don’t include what Nvidia's GeForce GT 430 offers, there are better options in this price range. The Radeon HD 5670 is a vastly superior gaming card, the Radeon HD 5570 is a better half-height option for this task, and both serve up lossless audio through HDMI."
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a b U Graphics card
June 6, 2011 3:56:50 PM

stapo19 said:
But what about the msi overclocked gt 430 since it's clocked at 2000mhz and the power color 5670 ddr3 1gb is only 1334mhz and they are both gddr3


It doesn't matter, your cpu is going to hold back any modern card from it's full potential.
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a b U Graphics card
June 6, 2011 4:52:43 PM

Gotta say that's true. I've got an older AMD rig with a 2.8ghz Athlon x2 5400+. Recently dropped a GTS 450 in my system and I can feel the cpu bottlenecking sometimes. So time to shop for an Athlon II quad:) 
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a c 106 U Graphics card
June 6, 2011 5:26:13 PM

Actually, with DDR3 it's just an overclocked 5570. The GDDR5 makes a big difference so get a GDDR5 model instead

http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=2...

As for your CPU it's not going to be enough for GTA4. To even match the minimum (athlon 4600X2 or C2Duo at 1.8ghz) requirements it should be running at 3.6GHz. If you want a better experience though you should consider upgrading to a relatively cheap sandy bridge i3 or if you're really on a budget an AM3+ board with an Athlon II.
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June 6, 2011 11:37:56 PM

soory but i cant afford the gdd5 version im on a tight budget unless u can find anything good for $80 AUS and i cant go on newegg because they dont ship to australia. And are use 100% sure that the 5670 DDR3 VERSION BY POWERCOLOR IS BETTER THAN THE MSI GT 430 OVERCLOCKED AT 2000Mhz. btw ive only been looking on eBay
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a b U Graphics card
June 7, 2011 1:45:25 AM

4850 was good for it's day. Keep in mind there is no dx11 on that card. Power supply, link timed out for me.
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a b U Graphics card
June 7, 2011 4:09:12 AM

I wouldn't trust that power supply. The number you are going to be concerned with is not wattage. You want to look mainly at the amps on the 12v+ rail. For example, that one is 18 amps, a corsair 500 watt supply is around 34. The more the merrier on that number.
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June 7, 2011 6:25:28 AM

But can I run the 4850
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a c 172 U Graphics card
June 7, 2011 9:21:12 AM

i would upgrade the CPU and PSU first, that should give you a good boost, particularly in gtaiv which is very CPU intensive, but also benefits from a good GPU.
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June 7, 2011 10:24:54 AM

WILL my CURRENT power supply be able to run the his hd 4850 iceQ4 turbo BECAUSE IM WANNA BUY IT NOW BECAUSE IM GETTING IT SOOO CHEAP , just until i get a new PSU and then ill buy a Core 2 Duo/Quad............
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a b U Graphics card
June 7, 2011 1:19:37 PM

It's a good deal for the card no doubt. As I said, I would not trust that power supply. You can try it, it may run. But that power supply may also blow up and take the rest of your system with it. Do what you want, but I would not run it.
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a b U Graphics card
June 8, 2011 3:51:16 PM

Even with 22 amps you might be pushing your limit. I would recommend something made by corsair, antec, cooler master, etc.
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June 9, 2011 12:58:26 AM

which is the cheapest power supply that will run the hd 4850 because im on a really tight budget
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a c 172 U Graphics card
June 9, 2011 2:50:12 AM

an antec earthwatts 450w should do it.
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a b U Graphics card
June 9, 2011 7:51:47 AM

+1 to the above. Also, I think Corsair makes a 430 watt power supply that may fit the bill.

Here is one. If it were me personally, this is the very cheapest I would want in my pc. And honestly I'd rather have more power than that. However, Corsair makes decent products, and I think something like that would not blow your pc sky high.

I know from experience that you don't cheap on power supplies. Fried a board once because of cheap power supplies. Not fun. After about a month the computer just stopped recognizing hard drives and optical drives, not fun. And if a power supply goes out, it can take your entire computer with it. That's why we say do not cheap on a power supply.

By the way, did you see this card on your ebay?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATI-PowerColor-Radeon-HD-567...
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June 10, 2011 1:35:06 AM

yes but it is ALOT SLOWER than the hd 4850 so i didnt want it


because i want to play black ops on really good settings and as far as i know the HD 5670 on GDDR3 wont cut it ........
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2011 5:50:20 AM

Don't think black ops is actually that demanding. But you can always upgrade the 4850 later. But as I said, I'd personally look at a corsair, or as another guy said, an antec. Cooler master is decent as well as xfx. You might also see if you can find a bfg tech power supply.

They made decent stuff but as far as I know are going out of business, so maybe you can get a good deal on one of those. I know it's hard to spend more money on the power supply, but don't skimp on it. Would hate to see you enjoying your machine and your power supply give out and fry your pc.
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June 10, 2011 10:54:31 AM

thanks.... but i will buy the HIS HD4850 IceQ4 Turbo because im getting it soo cheap and will put it in when i buy a GOOD PSU (all the brands recommended buy you)

and also will my current specs on my pc run black ops on good settings
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2011 1:56:58 PM

No problem, the 4850 is a decent card and you can always upgrade to something better later. Only other thing to be concerned about is the Pentium D cpu. You will definitely see an improvement for games I think, but I also think you CPU may bottleneck the card slightly, so you may get some stuttering/framerate loss.
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2011 2:02:01 PM

I would be worried about upgrading the 533Mhz DDr2 as well
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June 10, 2011 3:57:28 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
I would be worried about upgrading the 533Mhz DDr2 as well


what if i was to get 4gb of ddr2 667mhz would that make any noticeable change in speed
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2011 4:12:31 PM

stapo19 said:
what if i was to get 4gb of ddr2 667mhz would that make any noticeable change in speed

not entirely. right now, your RAM is incredibly slow, and your GPU is also not very good by todays standards. with the motherboard you have, your only option is slow, DDR2. the GPU upgrade will do you SOME justice, but i would go with a 5770 instead of the 4850. You are due for an entire overhaul when you can afford the upgrade system wise.
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2011 4:16:13 PM

Probably not much, maybe a few percentage points. If you are going to overclock, grab ddr2 800 mhz, otherwise I would worry about the graphics card and the power supply, then save the memory upgrade for the next build.

Get the best power supply you can, a higher wattage corsair or antec is best really to carry to your next system.
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June 12, 2011 12:27:57 PM

AND right now will my current pc run black ops on a decent settings

on 1024x768 15 inch moniter
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 1:44:32 PM

Can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure black ops isn't very demanding, also the resolution is not very high, so the 9500gt should handle it ok. I think if I were you, grab a different power supply, monitor, then after that, save for a video card, and then start saving for a rebuild after that.
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June 12, 2011 4:55:14 PM

how many fps on med to high settings???


and also will my current pc run call of duty 4 on MAX settings with atleast 35-40 fps?
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 5:29:54 PM

Can't say for sure. Best bet would be to google for that setup and resolution and see what you find. Call of Duty 4, MW2 and black ops should be similar as I don't think they changed the game engine a lot.
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June 12, 2011 6:53:21 PM

Sorry Everyone But My budget Has Gone Down SO im stuck with a Palit 9600 GT

SO will i be able to run Cod 4 on Good Settings With Systems Specs At:


Processor: Intel Pentium Dual Core 925 CPU 3.60GHz (2 CPUs) (Overclocked)
Memory: 4GB DDR2 533Mhz RAM
Hard Drive: 1TB Seagate SATA HDD
Video Card: Palit Nvidia Geforce 9600GT
Monitor: COMPAQ FP5315 Flat Panel Monitor 1024 x 768
Mouse Surface: Zipp Standard Mouse Pad
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate
Motherboard: ECS RC410-M AsteropeA-GL8E

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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 11:49:12 PM

9600gt is ok, but not great. At that resolution, should be ok. Check ebay, in the US a 9600gt can be had for around 35-40 bucks. I had one before my gts 450, and they are an ok card if you can get it cheap.

However, if power supply is a concern, check out an ATI 4670, they should be cheap, and not as high on power requirements as the 9600gt, but have similar performance.
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June 16, 2011 4:40:50 AM

OK will the rig be able to play cod4 on a 1024x768 res on MAXIUM SETTING

Intel Pentium D 925 3.00Ghz (Dual Core)
2GB DDR2 533Mhz
200GB Samsung SATA HDD
9600GT 512MB or HD4670 512MB or Asus 8800GTX
(ECS RC410-M) Asterope-GL8E Motherboard
PSU: will keep stock - unless someone can give me a link for a cheap PSU that will 'RUN' the 8800GTX or the 9600GT

PLEASE GIVE QUICK REPLIES...
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a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2011 4:54:45 AM

If you are unwilling to upgrade the power supply, the only card I would even consider is the 4670. It may have a chance of running without blowing your power supply up. The other two you may take out your system if you run those on a generic power supply, may even happen with the 4670, just a little less likely, but I would upgrade the power supply ASAP.

As far as max settings, it should run well. Don't know about max, but possibly. Keep in mind as stated before, is that your cpu will likely bottleneck a new graphics card. I would also consider tossing 2 gb of ram in there to get you to 4 gb of ram, that should help. First time I played call of duty 4 on pc, I beat it using an old 7300 LE card, all low settings, lol.
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