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November 10, 2011 4:42:09 AM

Which is better??


They are both the same price on newegg but I'd have to get an AM3+ of FX Mobo wich might not fit in my $600 budget. Currently selected 955 with MSI 760GM-E51 Mobo. (looking for a cheaper mobo with the same exact stuff on it)

OS: W7 Home Premium 64bit System Builders $100
Mobo: MSI 760GM-E51 $70 (no more rebate)
CPU: Phenom II x4 955 BE $112
GPU: ATI 6970 $130/ $115 after mail in rebate (banwith's MUCH fater)
(460 and 850 far to expensive. looked on NCIX Amazon Newegg Fry's Electronics)

Above all locally bought

NEO ECO 520C 520w Continuous Power $50/ MIR $45 (missed promo code) Newegg

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4gb 1333 $26 Newegg
Case: Rosewill R102-P-BK Mid-Tower $30 Amazon ( DEFINITELY NEED A DIFFERENT CASE )
HDD: Seagate 500gb $45 Newegg
DVDD: ASUS 24x DVD Burner $22 Newegg or local (whatever's cheapest)

Without MIR: $595
MIR: $575

I can push past the budget a LIL for the case.
Plus for the record I'm most likely going to get the parts on Black Friday. Well thats the plan at least



Sorry for the long post. I just figured to include everything so you can calculate how to fit in any price changes.

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November 10, 2011 5:00:23 AM

the 955 is better. where are you seeing a 6970 for $115? that is a $370 card.
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November 10, 2011 9:20:57 AM

6970 for $130?
Wow, I want to buy 10 of them and sell them again with high price... :D 

Anyway, 955 BE is good, go for it.
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November 10, 2011 12:00:43 PM

My bad guys its a 6790. But this is the thing I dont get... its clocked @3.6 and as far a I know, there are no differences as far as the architecture. Well that would make a difference.

But it still applies, the Fx series, though it's crap against intel, is the best series AMD's put out right?

The reason people are upset with AMD is because it still doesnt match up with a quad (i7) even with 8cores.

Point being, wouldnt the architecture of the FX be better than a Phenom II back from like 08-09? On top of a better clock speed?

This was just my logic and thats wh I made the post to be sure.
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November 10, 2011 12:21:08 PM

at the same clock speed, the FX-4xxx performs worse than ph2. so the arch (for now) is worse.
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November 10, 2011 5:37:13 PM

Coputernewbie said:
My bad guys its a 6790. But this is the thing I dont get... its clocked @3.6 and as far a I know, there are no differences as far as the architecture. Well that would make a difference.

But it still applies, the Fx series, though it's crap against intel, is the best series AMD's put out right?

The reason people are upset with AMD is because it still doesnt match up with a quad (i7) even with 8cores.

Point being, wouldnt the architecture of the FX be better than a Phenom II back from like 08-09? On top of a better clock speed?

This was just my logic and thats wh I made the post to be sure.


AMD managed to make bulldozer slower than K10. That 3.6Ghz FX 4100 falls between an A6 2.6Ghz and A8 2.9Ghz processor, both slower than the Phenom II 955.

"When it comes to performance we were shocked to see the AMD A8-3850 'Llano' processor and the Socket FM1 platform performing better than the AMD FX-4100 'Bulldozer' processor and the Socket AM3+ platform. We quickly found out that the FX-4100 was priced this low as it needed to be. The performance of the FX-4100 wasn't awful, but we didn't expect to see the AMD A6-3650 running at 2.6GHz to beat the AMD FX-4100 running at 3.6GHz in benchmarks like POV-Ray and Cinebench"

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/17/
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November 10, 2011 5:53:11 PM

another vote for the phenom II x4 955, the bulldozer CPUs are very disappointing
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November 10, 2011 7:18:33 PM

Either way you go, you want a AM3+ board.


Definitely go for the 4100. It easily clocks to 4.6ghz. Besides you may be able to unlock some cores.


The benchs are dissapointing because Windows 7 does not recognize BD's archicture and therefore places the threads out of order. FACT.

Win8 should improve performance 2o%.
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November 10, 2011 7:26:56 PM

too bad when it's clocked over 4.6ghz it still trails the 955 stock and last I looked it's not illegal to OC a phenom II
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November 10, 2011 7:31:51 PM

geekapproved said:
Either way you go, you want a AM3+ board.


Definitely go for the 4100. It easily clocks to 4.6ghz. Besides you may be able to unlock some cores.


The benchs are dissapointing because Windows 7 does not recognize BD's archicture and therefore places the threads out of order. FACT.

Win8 should improve performance 2o%.


So BD's poor performance is Window's fault? That's AMD's fault. FACT.
By the time Windows 8 rolls around Ivy bridge will have increased Intel's performance lead more than 20 percent.
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November 10, 2011 7:45:12 PM

If you want to push a little your budget for a better case: Xigmatek PANTHEON BLACK WITH WINDOW CPC its a good one for twenty bucks more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99 - $20.00 MIR = $49.99

edit: whats far too expensive? It is $5 more. ZOTAC ZT-40408-10P GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99 - $30.00 MIR = $119.99
edit2: +1 for 955. There are already win8 benchies for buldozer that continues to dissapoint. There was a gain in performance but only something like 5%.
source: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2622
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November 10, 2011 8:04:19 PM

geekapproved said:
Either way you go, you want a AM3+ board.


Definitely go for the 4100. It easily clocks to 4.6ghz. Besides you may be able to unlock some cores.


The benchs are dissapointing because Windows 7 does not recognize BD's archicture and therefore places the threads out of order. FACT.

Win8 should improve performance 2o%.

its not FACT, its total CRAP. even if windows 8 improves performance by 20% its still only on par with a phenom II
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November 10, 2011 8:05:14 PM

my 955be is currently 29 degrees @ 3.7. no load at the moment and yes its cold as hell in my apartment.
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November 15, 2011 3:50:18 PM

The gtx 460 and ATI 6850 are too expensive.
And I have a change to make on the build. When I went into Frys Electronics, they were out of the 6790 si its now $135

I had a few people on my other posts say I can get an i5 build for $600
wouldnt that make it CPU dependent? It's a gaming rig....
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November 17, 2011 2:56:01 AM

Best answer selected by Coputernewbie.
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