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November 10, 2011 11:45:14 PM

I have this old computer and well it has a Pentium 4 and im planning to get this video card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and well i want to know if I get the video card will I be able tol play games like call of duty 4 and mw2 and bad company 2 on it along with games like TF2 and CSS. I have 4 gb of DDR2 ram and i am wondering if my computer can handle those games with out lag at reasonable resolutions. Will it lagg or should I save up for a new computer?

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November 10, 2011 11:48:22 PM

I would recommend saving up for a new computer with at least a dual core CPU, I think you could get away playing cod4 and maybe mw2, BFBC2 is out of the question i think that game is to CPU intensive. Your system sounds a good 5+ years old just my thoughts. Maybe someone can confirm this...
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November 10, 2011 11:52:48 PM

Many old P4 systems do not have PCI-E slots, open up your machine and confirm that it does have a PCI-E 16x slot or you wont be able to install the card.

The GT 240 isnt a good gaming card, but can handle things on lower settings which is about what the P4 might be able to keep up with, but you will probably still lag and stutter in CPU intensive parts.
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November 10, 2011 11:55:52 PM

hunter315 said:
Many old P4 systems do not have PCI-E slots, open up your machine and confirm that it does have a PCI-E 16x slot or you wont be able to install the card.

The GT 240 isnt a good gaming card, but can handle things on lower settings which is about what the P4 might be able to keep up with, but you will probably still lag and stutter in CPU intensive parts.


He has a PCI-E 16x slot I believe, I'm his buddy he showed me a picture taken from a toaster (that bad quality) I thought I saw a PCI-E slot. Not sure tho, maybe he will upgrade his toaster to calculator then I can confirm.....
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November 10, 2011 11:56:55 PM

Nearly all boards that handle DDR2 and a P4 have PCIe slots, IF they have a GPU slot at all. There were a few transition boards, but odds are that if he has DDR2, he has PCIe.

GT240 is a good card for the P4. Probably the max GPU that a P4 can keep up with.
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November 11, 2011 12:10:50 AM

COD4 and MW2 might run but Bad Company 2 doesn't stand a chance. The 240 is a good GPU to pair up with your CPU though. Anything more than that and the Pentium 4 won't be able to keep up.
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November 11, 2011 12:18:42 AM

Just be aware that many modern games list a dual core CPU as the minimum requirement.
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November 11, 2011 12:32:54 AM

Wouldn't most things bottleneck a P4? I think the one he posted should be adequate, also if he buys a new computer he will have something better then the onboard graphics assuming they are bad.
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November 11, 2011 12:41:26 AM

gnomio said:
That card will bottleneck a P4.
Try this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That card is weak, even for a Pentium 4. The GT240 is more than adequate and will perform MUCH better for a measly $2 over the 8400gs. Even if it was a bottleneck, getting the 240 would still be a no brainer.
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November 11, 2011 12:54:13 AM

gmaster456 said:
That card is weak, even for a Pentium 4. The GT240 is more than adequate and will perform MUCH better for a measly $2 over the 8400gs. Even if it was a bottleneck, getting the 240 would still be a no brainer.

It wont bottleneck his cpu. He will get the same fps with both. A faster card wont help much when it has to wait 10 yrs for the cpu
Even the ATi Radeon HD 3850 AGP bottlenecks a p4
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November 11, 2011 1:20:12 AM

gnomio said:
It wont bottleneck his cpu. He will get the same fps with both. A faster card wont help much when it has to wait 10 yrs for the cpu
Even the ATi Radeon HD 3850 AGP bottlenecks a p4

you mean the 3850 AGP is bottlenecked by the P4... not the otherway around
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November 11, 2011 1:51:44 AM

check if your motherboard is a socket LGA 775 board, if it is check if you can upgrade to a Core 2 Duo.
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November 11, 2011 2:38:31 AM

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check if your motherboard is a socket LGA 775 board, if it is check if you can upgrade to a Core 2 Duo.


Not quite true. A socket 775 with a 915, 925, and 955 chipset won't run any C2Ds. Some 945 boards were given support later. Then of course you have the famous 680i boards which can run many C2Ds, but none of the 45nm C2Qs. Just because it will fit in the socket doesn't mean you can run it.

He will probably have some bottlenecking with a GT240 and a P4. We still have no idea which P4 he has. If we are dealing with a P4 that has a PCIe slot, I still think the lower end and midrange cards like the GT240 or 5570 would be fine.
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November 11, 2011 3:52:44 AM

ewood said:
you mean the 3850 AGP is bottlenecked by the P4... not the otherway around

yeah that's what I meant sorry
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November 11, 2011 4:03:54 AM

For most games, the recommended cpu is quite a ways down from "top of the line." The only games that truely benifit from a high level cpu is AI intensive games like Warcraft 3 when you've got 8 computers all at their unit limit. If you don't play that type of game, the cpu is really of little importance, a mid-level one will do just as good. Now yes, the cpu will affect the end framerate of the video card. There are some video processes that are sent to the cpu, but unless you're getting towards the lower end stuff, you won't notice it.
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November 11, 2011 4:46:17 AM

Totally disagree with homefellas. Yes you don't need a 2500k to play video games, but you need more then a P4 these days as well. A true dual core is the minimum for more, a C2D/C2Q is really what you want AT LEAST. At least for the current generation games.
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November 11, 2011 9:26:57 AM

I run gta4 on low with a p4 2.66ghz and a hd 5450 with playable fps :D , so just a upgrade to a good two core processor can do wonders if u are on a budget
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November 11, 2011 9:41:04 AM

What resolution? What are "playable fps"? Technically speaking I can play TF2 on my laptop. (GMA900 or something like that I think.) But I need to drop it down to 800x600 and turn everything off/low. And even then it stutters sometimes causing me to die.
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November 11, 2011 10:50:49 AM

BC2 has no chance of running on a P4, period. Its sad this is even a debate.
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November 11, 2011 12:52:27 PM

minimum system requirements for BC2 is Pentium D @ 3GHz or Core 2 Duo @ 2.GHz and you should still check if your mobo supports Core 2. @ 4745454: thats why I said check he never said what chipset he had so we don't know and the newer chipsets can also run P4s.
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November 11, 2011 1:46:33 PM

I didn't see the second check. I saw you write,

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check if your motherboard is a socket LGA 775 board, if it is you can upgrade to a Core 2 Duo.


That second check (and the word if) really changes things. Sorry.

MINIMUM CPU for BC2 is a P4D @ 3GHz. A HT P4 like the Northwood or Preshott chips won't cut it.

Edited to fix quote.
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November 11, 2011 4:32:04 PM

4745454b said:
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check if your motherboard is a socket LGA 775 board, if it is check if you can upgrade to a Core 2 Duo.


Not quite true. A socket 775 with a 915, 925, and 955 chipset won't run any C2Ds. Some 945 boards were given support later. Then of course you have the famous 680i boards which can run many C2Ds, but none of the 45nm C2Qs. Just because it will fit in the socket doesn't mean you can run it.

He will probably have some bottlenecking with a GT240 and a P4. We still have no idea which P4 he has. If we are dealing with a P4 that has a PCIe slot, I still think the lower end and midrange cards like the GT240 or 5570 would be fine.

I think its clocked at like 3 or 3.1GHz, I teamviewed his computer earlier.
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November 11, 2011 5:43:55 PM

my answer will be short

new games require at least core 2 duo or quad core with medium level cards like 5670 or gts 450

so your step will not be good bcz gt 240 will be a good choice for core 2 duo or quad core but not for the pentium 4 :-(
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November 11, 2011 7:54:04 PM

4745454b said:
Quote:
check if your motherboard is a socket LGA 775 board, if it is check if you can upgrade to a Core 2 Duo.


Not quite true. A socket 775 with a 915, 925, and 955 chipset won't run any C2Ds. Some 945 boards were given support later. Then of course you have the famous 680i boards which can run many C2Ds, but none of the 45nm C2Qs. Just because it will fit in the socket doesn't mean you can run it.

He will probably have some bottlenecking with a GT240 and a P4. We still have no idea which P4 he has. If we are dealing with a P4 that has a PCIe slot, I still think the lower end and midrange cards like the GT240 or 5570 would be fine.

OKAY i downloaded CPU-Z and this is what it says
CPU:Intel Pentium 4 531 Prescott
Mainboard: i945P/PL/G/GZ

Maybe this can help you guys out, I think i found a Pentium D on newegg That will work its 34.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 12, 2011 12:13:23 AM

Preshott, so its still a true single core. He has a 945 so before you buy anything, see if there is a bios update that will allow a C2D to run in his machine.
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November 12, 2011 12:36:19 AM

Now check the mobo manufacturers website to see if it actually supports a Core 2 and if yes get the newest BIOS update, flash it, then buy a Core 2 from Ebay or something then get a decent GPU.
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November 12, 2011 12:37:27 AM

gnomio said:
It wont bottleneck his cpu. He will get the same fps with both. A faster card wont help much when it has to wait 10 yrs for the cpu
Even the ATi Radeon HD 3850 AGP bottlenecks a p4

Even if your right (I disagree) there is no point in getting the MUCH weaker 8400gs when you can have the 240 for $2 more.
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November 12, 2011 1:36:27 AM

I do believe that the PCI e slot is not 2.0 so he might see a little less fps or a lot.....
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November 12, 2011 2:56:55 AM

Shouldn't be anything to worry about. In terms of bandwidth, x8 PCIe 2.0 is the same as 16x PCIe 1.0. x8 is what you want if you are doing CF/SLI, so for a single card 16x PCIe 1.0 is fine. What you don't want to do is 8x/8x CF/SLI on PCIe 1.0. That's bad.
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November 12, 2011 9:13:00 AM

4745454b said:
Totally disagree with homefellas. Yes you don't need a 2500k to play video games, but you need more then a P4 these days as well. A true dual core is the minimum for more, a C2D/C2Q is really what you want AT LEAST. At least for the current generation games.

Thats 100 percent so true. At 1080p the sweetspot for most these days your gpu plays more of a role. Theres very little fps difference between the modern quads
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November 12, 2011 9:14:49 AM

gmaster456 said:
Even if your right (I disagree) there is no point in getting the MUCH weaker 8400gs when you can have the 240 for $2 more.

True thats if he decides to upgrade his cpu.
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November 12, 2011 9:30:44 AM

No. If he decides to upgrade the CPU he should get something even better. The GT240 is not a good gaming card.
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November 12, 2011 9:31:44 AM

not much cheap left on socket 775 to upgrade to
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November 12, 2011 9:37:28 AM

Depends where you look.
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November 12, 2011 2:09:58 PM

oh yeah i forgot you guys are mostly from the US where everything is dirt cheap
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November 12, 2011 2:52:05 PM

whooleo said:
Now check the mobo manufacturers website to see if it actually supports a Core 2 and if yes get the newest BIOS update, flash it, then buy a Core 2 from Ebay or something then get a decent GPU.

if i got that CPU I found on new egg will it work?
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November 12, 2011 2:59:40 PM

gnomio said:
oh yeah i forgot you guys are mostly from the US where everything is dirt cheap

Not all of it is generally DDR3 RAM is cheeper then DDR2, HDD prices have shot up like x3 in prices because of flooding which sucks.... so you pay like 134$ for a 1TB HDD
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November 12, 2011 3:45:30 PM

Russosaur said:
Not all of it is generally DDR3 RAM is cheeper then DDR2, HDD prices have shot up like x3 in prices because of flooding which sucks.... so you pay like 134$ for a 1TB HDD

Thats still cheap. We pay the amount is you convert the currency plus a tax plus finders fee plus 10 other things. If I buy a plane ticket to the US and buy the hardware and comeback It would still work out cheaper than buying it here lol
Our hdd prices went up like x4 to x5 fold
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November 12, 2011 4:12:49 PM

gnomio said:
Thats still cheap. We pay the amount is you convert the currency plus a tax plus finders fee plus 10 other things. If I buy a plane ticket to the US and buy the hardware and comeback It would still work out cheaper than buying it here lol
Our hdd prices went up like x4 to x5 fold

Oh dang.........
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November 13, 2011 1:38:10 PM

accusedhorse said:
if i got that CPU I found on new egg will it work?

Are you saying you have the CPU now? If you do go to your motherboard manufacturers website and check compatibility and new BIOS for the Core 2.

EDIT: tell me your motherboard manufacturer and model than I will be able to help you a lot more!
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November 13, 2011 1:52:35 PM

whooleo said:
Are you saying you have the CPU now? If you do go to your motherboard manufacturers website and check compatibility and new BIOS for the Core 2.

EDIT: tell me your motherboard manufacturer and model than I will be able to help you a lot more!


its an IBM 811321U i belive, and if it supports the core 2 could you point me to a place that explains updating BIOS? i love u
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November 13, 2011 1:53:35 PM

i didnt mean that my brother did that
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November 13, 2011 4:19:09 PM

Unfortunately your chipset (Intel 945G) supports the Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme CPUs but the manufacturer has not made a BIOS update to support the CPUs: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/detai...
so unfortunately you can not upgrade to a newer CPU. Although what I would do is get a new motherboard, case, and GPU and reuse the other parts from this PC for a new PC.
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November 13, 2011 4:37:41 PM

whooleo said:
Unfortunately your chipset (Intel 945G) supports the Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme CPUs but the manufacturer has not made a BIOS update to support the CPUs: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/detai...
so unfortunately you can not upgrade to a newer CPU. Although what I would do is get a new motherboard, case, and GPU and reuse the other parts from this PC for a new PC.

So he can't upgrade even to that Pentium D he listed? Ouch....
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November 13, 2011 5:25:31 PM

He can only upgrade to the Smithfield Pentium Ds (90nm, 1MB of L2 cache per core)
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November 13, 2011 5:27:38 PM

Worded that a little wrong sorry. Core 2 is out of the question but the smithfield Pentium D and faster prescott Pentium 4s are his only upgrade path.
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November 13, 2011 8:44:04 PM

for get about it i dont need help but we can talk i am getin christmas things
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