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HD 7xxx series by the end of 2011?

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June 11, 2011 4:05:33 AM

Will the 22nm Radeon HD 7xxx series graphics cards be on store shelves before the end of 2011? What about the Nvidia GTX 6xx "Kepler" cards?

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a b U Graphics card
June 11, 2011 11:58:02 AM

Kepler and HD7000 are 28nm's not 22nm's, 22s will be out 2013. There are some rumors that they may be in stores at the end of 2011
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June 12, 2011 7:18:56 AM

shrkbay said:
Kepler and HD7000 are 28nm's not 22nm's, 22s will be out 2013. There are some rumors that they may be in stores at the end of 2011


Hopefully we'll see something like a 70-90% performance increase over the HD 69xx and GTX 5xx series GPU's. Along with 3-4GB of GPU memory. Also, only a superclocked 8-core Ivy Bridge would be able to handle the colossal throughput created by these monstrous cards. The Nehalems and Sandy Bridge processors would severely bottleneck and choke on the next-gen GPU's.
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a c 84 U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 8:06:45 AM

^^so you can play the latest console port with fps over 9000!
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 8:44:31 AM

ambam, probably not, difference between 40nm and 28nm is 40%, but it's still unknown how much performance increase we will see, but one is sure: heat and power consumption will be lower. And for sure Sandy Bridge, Nehalems and even Phenom IIs will run them fine. And for sure low-end HD7000s/GTX600s will not beat GTX580.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 12, 2011 11:23:40 AM

ambam said:
Hopefully we'll see something like a 70-90% performance increase over the HD 69xx and GTX 5xx series GPU's. Along with 3-4GB of GPU memory. Also, only a superclocked 8-core Ivy Bridge would be able to handle the colossal throughput created by these monstrous cards. The Nehalems and Sandy Bridge processors would severely bottleneck and choke on the next-gen GPU's.


70-90% increase - No chance.
CPU's bottlenecking these cards - Again No chance.

I cant decide if your being overly optimistic and getting carried away with the hype being put about on teh net or if your baiting ?

Mactronix :) 
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June 13, 2011 6:37:07 AM

mactronix said:
70-90% increase - No chance.
CPU's bottlenecking these cards - Again No chance.

I cant decide if your being overly optimistic and getting carried away with the hype being put about on teh net or if your baiting ?

Mactronix :) 


The Nehalem CPU still bottlenecks 2-3 way SLI GTX 580's even after it has been significantly overclocked.
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2011 7:30:49 AM

I would expect no more of an increase again than perhaps the same as in from the GTX480 progressing to the 580....
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June 13, 2011 7:33:19 AM

mdd1963 said:
I would expect no more of an increase again than perhaps the same as in from the GTX480 progressing to the 580....


So maybe 25-35% faster than the HD 69xx?
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2011 8:12:59 AM

2-3 way SLI will require 3 monitors at 1920x1200, but, the 1.5 GB framebuffer limit of the 580 does not help things.....; hopefully Nvidia will join the 2 gb framebuffer bandwagon soon....
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2011 8:24:27 AM

ambam said:
The Nehalem CPU still bottlenecks 2-3 way SLI GTX 580's even after it has been significantly overclocked.


Proof please.

Mactronix :) 
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June 13, 2011 11:26:52 AM

mdd1963 said:
2-3 way SLI will require 3 monitors at 1920x1200, but, the 1.5 GB framebuffer limit of the 580 does not help things.....; hopefully Nvidia will join the 2 gb framebuffer bandwagon soon....


You do realize there is a 3GB Gtx580 version?
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2011 2:10:32 PM

ambam, Nehalem does not bottleneck anything. Even Phenom II x4 *BE* is barely bottlenecking anything or maybe does not at all. The highest performance increase *6990 vs 7990/690* would probably be 50%, but for sure not higher and from other cards i expect around 30% increase.
Olliiee, that 3GB 580 is only made by Palit and i've heard that it is a very low quality, noisy and hot, so imo it's better to have 1.5GB models.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2011 2:14:14 PM

Yea im still waiting for proof of what ambam said the suggestion was that anything from an entire generation of a certain CPU architecture wouldn't run 2-3 way SLI with 580's
So thats one hell of a performance spread of CPU's cant run what is esentially 2 different things. Which is it 2 or 3 ? And show some proof.
I'm waiting ambam.
Mactronix :) 
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June 14, 2011 8:39:14 AM

mactronix said:
Yea im still waiting for proof of what ambam said the suggestion was that anything from an entire generation of a certain CPU architecture wouldn't run 2-3 way SLI with 580's
So thats one hell of a performance spread of CPU's cant run what is esentially 2 different things. Which is it 2 or 3 ? And show some proof.
I'm waiting ambam.
Mactronix :) 


The throughput that enthusiast-level 3-4 way SLI/CFX puts on a CPU is absolutely astronomical. I believe I read in an article about how even the Core i7 980X @4.2+ GHz still bottlenecks 4-way SLI GTX 480. The GTX 6xx and ATI HD 7xxx are going to push even more 1's and 0's through your CPU. Which is why an entire new generation of CPU's are being released. The 8-core Ivy Bridge from Intel, and 8-core Bulldozer chips from AMD.
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June 14, 2011 8:41:07 AM

shrkbay said:
ambam, Nehalem does not bottleneck anything. Even Phenom II x4 *BE* is barely bottlenecking anything or maybe does not at all. The highest performance increase *6990 vs 7990/690* would probably be 50%, but for sure not higher and from other cards i expect around 30% increase.
Olliiee, that 3GB 580 is only made by Palit and i've heard that it is a very low quality, noisy and hot, so imo it's better to have 1.5GB models.


Gainward also makes a 3GB GTX 580. It's called the "phantom."
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 14, 2011 10:40:40 AM

ambam said:
The throughput that enthusiast-level 3-4 way SLI/CFX puts on a CPU is absolutely astronomical. I believe I read in an article about how even the Core i7 980X @4.2+ GHz still bottlenecks 4-way SLI GTX 480. The GTX 6xx and ATI HD 7xxx are going to push even more 1's and 0's through your CPU. Which is why an entire new generation of CPU's are being released. The 8-core Ivy Bridge from Intel, and 8-core Bulldozer chips from AMD.


Oh so now we are up to a 3-4 way multiple card system from a 2-3 :pfff:  Then a 4 way 480 set up, changing the goal posts because you got called on something eh :non: 
Did you know that you can play Crysis @2560 x 1600 which is an enthusiast level resolution with an enthusiast level 5970 at exactly the same FPS using an E6300 as you would get with an i7920 ?
FC2, Stalker, WIC all playable at the same level as the i7920 with an E8400 and thats down to 1680 x 1050.

Your supposition and fears for the forthcoming generation of GPU are wildly far of the mark my friend. The CPU's are coming regardless of the GPU's involved. In case you have been in a cave on the north face of a mountain for the last few months you should know that the latest CPU's are all about Fusion, the combination of CPU and GPU on the same die.
They are not desperately running around in circles at Intel screaming "Oh my god we need to make a more powerful CPU stat" "Have you seen what Nvidia and AMD are making, how can they ever expect those to run on out feeble CPU's, why didn't they warn us now were going to look silly"
Like you seem to think.

Mactronix :) 
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2011 2:39:57 PM

lol ambam, there's no chance an i7 980 bottlenecked anything. And imo both Gainward and Palit are untrustable, but i've seen some improvement lately.
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June 15, 2011 6:04:56 AM

shrkbay said:
lol ambam, there's no chance an i7 980 bottlenecked anything. And imo both Gainward and Palit are untrustable, but i've seen some improvement lately.


3GB of texture memory is a bit excessive unless you're trying to run games at resolutions beyond 1920x1080, and/or are using multiple monitors. I'm sure the top-tier GTX 6xx and HD 7xxx will come with at least 3GB of frame buffer.

I have a single 1920x1080 monitor, so 1GB of RAM on my HD 5870 is sufficient.
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a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2011 8:41:49 AM

olliiee said:
You do realize there is a 3GB Gtx580 version?


Yes, obviously I was not referring to the 2 or 3 samples of 3gb versions, but to the 24-30 other variants w/1536 mb. :) 
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June 15, 2011 6:31:23 PM

Why do you assume that going from 40nm to 28nm + more than 1 y to improve the architecture will yield a meager increase, similar to that of the GTX 5xx which essentially consisted of rushed optimizations & fixes in a 6 months time frame ? Excuse me but that sounds ludicrous.

I'm taking a safe bet on something like 50% at least.
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a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2011 1:13:39 PM

GTX570 and 480 have the same amount of shaders and the performance difference is only around 2%, so architecture will play a small role comparing to moving to 28nm's.
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a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2011 9:24:00 AM

HD1,2,3,4 etc till infinite with exceptions
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a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2011 9:59:28 AM

Braice said:


I'm taking a safe bet on something like 50% at least.


I truly wish 50% gains were possible, regular, and routine, and ocurred twice annually!

Barring dual GPU cards (such as the prototype 6970x2) becoming the new standard fare, however, I highly doubt we will see more than an effective 16-20% framerate increase in whatever the GTX580/6970 successors are.....

Lets look up this thread after the release and see who was right! (I hope you win, however!) :) 
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October 17, 2011 10:55:27 PM

Braice said:
Why do you assume that going from 40nm to 28nm + more than 1 y to improve the architecture will yield a meager increase, similar to that of the GTX 5xx which essentially consisted of rushed optimizations & fixes in a 6 months time frame ? Excuse me but that sounds ludicrous.

I'm taking a safe bet on something like 50% at least.



The reason is very simple. even it is true. Let say even if next gen GPU can increase by 80% the performance. What Nvidia and ATI have to gain to throw out such performance into one single card line up series? Nothing at all, no gain economically and they may even get caught in performance race beyond their own research finance/profit versus throwing money for research and development. Therefore I do agree that we will see a 30% increase AT BEST and if we have ideal/well suited driver right of the bat!
That mean that yes, even if the deal of 28 nm is something great, the clock, ramdac and else will be stomped on severely as with a magical answer... can't go higher for now or the heat and power need will be a s t r o n o m i c a l .......... THE USUAL....
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a c 130 U Graphics card
October 17, 2011 11:19:21 PM

Your basic premise is correct in that its well known that the companies don't put out all they can when they can with a view to increasing the revenue stream.
However the point being made is that the technical reality is that increases the fan boys like to dream about just don't and in fact have never happened. A quick trip through GPU increase history show that even with a a huge increase in resource the chips just don't yield huge number increases.

Mactronix :) 

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