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November 13, 2011 4:01:04 PM

Appoximate purchase date: less than a week
Budget range: $550
System Usage from most to least important : Surfing The Internet, Gaming, Music
Parts Not Required: Using Hp Pavillion a1324n case , Keyboard,Monitor, speakers, HDD 300gb seagate sata
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.ca , Tigerdirect.ca, NCIX.COM ,directcanada.COM
Country: Canada
Parts Preferences: No preference Just value and performance
Overclocking: Maybe
SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution:1280 x 1024 (but looking to upgrade soon to 22" monitor , so need some headroom)
This is what i was thinking so far, but if u guys get find a better deal or better performance please let me kno
MOBO:http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... M4N68T-M V2 AM3 NVIDIA Geforce 7025/nForce 630a
PSU: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220AC1267 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W ATX 20/24PIN
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6814150534 XFX HD 6790
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6819103808 AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz AM3
Memory: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6820145315 CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9

are all these compatible also?
looking for best performance for my money

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November 13, 2011 4:14:55 PM

Sounds fine.

The motherboard is pretty much free with processors a lot of the time (sometimes completely free). It fits AM3 stuff like Phenom 2 x4 955s.

The video card uses an x16 slot which the motherboard has.

The video card uses 2x 6 pin connectors from the PSU, and the Corsair CX600 has two 6+2s.

The board can easily hold 2x DDR3 1333 RAM sticks.

No reason that I can see that it shouldn't work.

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November 13, 2011 4:19:50 PM

Could this run most modern games?
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November 13, 2011 4:23:04 PM

You aren't going to be able to use max settings on Skyrim or anything, but it should at least play reasonably at low settings.
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November 13, 2011 4:23:51 PM

what do i need to play at mid to high settings?
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November 13, 2011 4:35:26 PM

Twice as much spent on a video card at a bare minimum (1 x 6950).

You won't be able to SLI or crossfire on the M4n68T-m V2 board so you are stuck with a single large card.

Check this link and you can see some relative benchmarks for various cards along with price:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

GTX 570 - $320 - 3556
HD 6950 - $260 - 3243
GTX 470 - $200 - 2958
HD 6850 - $145 - 2849

For reference
HD 6790 - $130 - 2328

There are some prices that step up in $60 increments with slightly higher performance for each.

The first $15 more you have to shell out buys you a huge jump upwards, the subsequent $60s much less so, but if you want high settings you gotta pay to play.
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November 13, 2011 4:45:51 PM

"so the xfx hd 6790 is basiclly useless for modern games? not even mid settings (i am only playing one 19" monitor
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November 13, 2011 5:07:01 PM

on 19" it will be fine but big like 22" it will be a bit slow as you compare to 6850
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November 13, 2011 5:11:51 PM

Oh ok and in your opinion do you think the i3 2120 is better then the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 6?
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November 13, 2011 5:16:37 PM

In my opiniion, a 6790 is a money waster as most of other gamers wud agree.

I am in a similar position myself and I am thinking of getting an HD 6870 from sapphire.

For a 22" monitor, i think u shoud be able to play on 16xx-12xx resolution with medium sttings on this card. Plus,its below 200$!!

I think if u wanna save some money and get decent play of games released in 2011 lyk COD MW3, BF3etc. on 1280 x 1024, u should get an nVidia GTX 550 ti -
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

and by ecent, i mean low 2 medium settings, dependent on ur situation.

And for a better and a more sturdy performance, 6870 shd work out gud wnough for u -
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or a nvidia 560 gtx-
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

coz many ppl with experience say tht 560 gtx performs a tad bit better than 6870

Unforutnately, where i live, getting a card online is pretty difficult, so gotta rely on local markets. Thats why I am going with the 6870. otherwise, i woud have considered the 560 gtx from zotac coz thes babies are seriously overclocked, but a bit noisy too, which i dont mind.
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November 13, 2011 5:28:05 PM

so 6790 is out of the question , the 6870 performs better then the 6850?
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November 13, 2011 5:57:12 PM

Generally, you want to increase or keep all the numbers the same with an ATI card in order to see an increase in performance

5750 > 5450

6850 > 5850

6990 > 6930

5450 isn't better than 4870, because 2 numbers are lower, even though one is higher.

and so on.

6870 > 6850, but the numbers are so close that it will probably be hard to notice a difference.

Some claim they can use software to make their 6850s work just the same as 6870 internally. I don't have experience with that so I can't really advise on that.
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November 13, 2011 6:02:12 PM

oh i see , thanks do you think the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 6 , will manage fine with bf3, black ops etc?
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November 13, 2011 6:07:13 PM

There are varying levels of fine and what is fine for one person may not be fine for another.

That being said, the Phenom 2 x6 1090T should be good enough for most people's tastes with mid level settings.
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November 13, 2011 6:53:46 PM

how about if i overclock it , will games benefit better in 3 cores?
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November 13, 2011 7:03:40 PM

If it is not good enough for your tastes, you can probably overclock it.

The M4N68t-M v2 board has the ability to unlock the settings and overclock things.

If you play the game and you don't like how it goes, you can consider going that route.

If you are thinking of dropping from the x6 to an x3, I wouldn't. The games will benefit more from the x6 than from x3 AMD processors.

In general, though, games tend to primarily depend on the graphics card for how they feel while playing. A few games here and there put a lot of load on the processor (uncommon) while the rest put more load on video cards (very common).

90% of the time, I would guess, the bottleneck is probably the video card in any given gaming setup as long as both the processor and video card were bought about the same time.

If someone is using a brand new video card and a pentium 1 processor, though, the problem would be the processor almost all the time.

Since we are talking about the Phenom 2 x6 1090T, that won't be an issue, not for a long time in RL, anyway.
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November 13, 2011 7:20:42 PM

oh so i will stick with the phenom and could i benefit from a better mother board , but i am still deciding what gpu? if u were in my shoes , what video card would u purchase ?
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November 13, 2011 8:42:53 PM

I don't know how much you are willing to stretch the budget, so its hard to say.

The best is to just spend $480 on a GTX 580 card. Nothing exists that is better than that.

At the same time, it is 33% more than the next highest in price and less than 10% better in performance.

That is a heavy price to pay for the extra power increase, but if money is no object then accept no substitute.

It really depends on your other equipment choices.

At the very least I would spend the $15 more for the 6850.

You should get decent game experiences with low to mid settings with that card.

Without spending twice as much, it is hard to go up significantly from there.

If you do spend twice as much, it will blow well through your $550 total budget range.

In any event, I think you will be fine with the 6850 card, it is very good for budget enthusiasts.

The x8xx class video cards have always delivered me good cost-effective gaming experiences.
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November 13, 2011 9:47:24 PM

someone told me that the phenom 2 x4 is beter then the x6 for gaming , is this true?
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November 14, 2011 12:32:30 AM

From the comparisons I have seen, they tend to be about the same.

Some games the x4 with higher Ghz does better, but Starcraft 2 at least seems to be better with the x6.

I think you would probably have a tough time feeling the difference most of the time.
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November 14, 2011 12:34:10 AM

true .. so you think just save some money and go with the x4?
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November 14, 2011 12:38:23 AM

Your call.

With no overclocking, I hear the 955s are good, with overclocking I heard the 980s beat them out.

If you can save money with those and you don't need to do processor intensive stuff you might as well do it.
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November 14, 2011 1:24:25 AM

Games, a lot of the time, aren't very dependent on processors as compared to graphics cards.

Some games are hugely processor intensive, but not as many as are hugely graphics intensive.

There are dozens of different methods to do a stress test, and the one you chose is mostly based on the processors, so it doesn't really simulate gaming very well.
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November 20, 2011 7:00:16 AM

As Long as a quad core around 3.x GHz is available, it doesnt much matter cause stuttering in games is also sometimes a RAM issue in my experience.

But your GPU NEEDS 2 be better coz the more graphic processors u hav, the more details u can get..
Its similar to trying 2 get a lamb 4rm a hen's womb. the hen being the CPU and the lamb being the detailing. As long as u dont get a foat (GPU ) for it, u aint gonna get nythin other than scrambled eggs!
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November 20, 2011 11:33:30 PM

Graphics card confusion?

Here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-...

Advice - Get either a 6950 2GB or 560 Ti (cheaper) or 560 GTX (cheapest)

- Otherwise you will be wasting money on a GPU

For the CPU i had the same problem - ended up saying "F it" and getting an i5 instead - good luck on this.
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November 29, 2011 5:19:17 PM

go with the 6870, its gr8 for this resolution. dont worry man!

6850 wont be enough btw.
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