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AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition For Gaming?

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November 13, 2011 7:33:35 PM

I am ready to buy components to build my pc , but first i have a question , would this cpu benefit my gaming performance. or is their cpu better for gaming within the same price range? Mostly using pc for gaming and surfing the web.
thanks also any recommendations in motherboards? 320$ just for motherboard and cpu i have left over
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November 13, 2011 8:00:19 PM

a phenom II x4 would give you the exact same gaming performance for less money. the x6 would make sense for heavy multi-tasking (sounds like you don't do much) and video encoding. the money saved would benefit you more in a better GPU (or quality PSU) then more cores.
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November 13, 2011 8:21:00 PM

Ok Thanks so much
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November 13, 2011 10:27:55 PM

1090t at amazon 159 Gigabyte 970 ud3 about 100 , just in case you decide to do more than game
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November 13, 2011 10:29:15 PM

I second the Gigabyte 970A-UD3 and the X4 955... they are running beautifully in my system and I get a 7.4 WEI on the proc FWIW. :hello: 
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November 13, 2011 11:33:52 PM

oh really so what would recommend for a game like cod black ops and flight simulator x?
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November 13, 2011 11:52:05 PM

forget all of those options, go for an Intel i5 2xxx processor for gaming. Any AMD CPU overclocked to 4+ghz can not even match a stock i5 2400k for gaming.
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November 13, 2011 11:56:26 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
forget all of those options, go for an Intel i5 2xxx processor for gaming. Any AMD CPU overclocked to 4+ghz can not even match a stock i5 2400k for gaming.


depends on his budget though, core i5 is much higher price class than the AMD cpu's, by $100 for X4 and $70 for the X6. if the prcie were the same , yes the i5 would be the better cpu by far. My next build will have an Intel Motherboard if the Ivy bridge reviews are good for the first few months - i will let others experiment first :D 
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November 13, 2011 11:59:46 PM

So how much better would the gaming experience be ?, and also is x6 worse for gaming or its just that games wont use extra cores? because i still want a fast multitasking experience
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November 14, 2011 12:05:12 AM

it's not worse for gaming but games won't use the extra two cores. if you want to purchase the x6, get it as your gaming won't get hit by performance. if you want the best bang for your buck, the phenom II x4 gives you the exact same performance and the extra cash can go into other areas like the GPU (more important for gaming)
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November 14, 2011 5:10:50 AM

If you have 320 go with an i5-2500k build.
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November 14, 2011 7:25:07 AM

You could even go for a 960t, since I hear they have about a 50/50 chance of unlocking to a x6. And even if it doesnt, you will still have a good 4 core processor (as good as the 955) for gaming. Just my opinion :)  and yes, if you can afford it, the i5-2500k or even i5-2400 are superior to the phenoms
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November 14, 2011 11:16:00 AM

One thing to be aware of is thats as new games become more multi threaded then the 1090t will come into its own as a gaming CPU as we are seeing already with titles such as BF3, in new titles such as these the 1090t even out performs the mighty i5 2500k.

So personaly i would buy the 1090t and a decent after markey cooler and OC it to 3.8 - 4.0 ghz.
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November 14, 2011 11:27:44 AM

argueta789 said:
I am ready to buy components to build my pc , but first i have a question , would this cpu benefit my gaming performance. or is their cpu better for gaming within the same price range? Mostly using pc for gaming and surfing the web.
thanks also any recommendations in motherboards? 320$ just for motherboard and cpu i have left over



HI...
What is your budget for mb..? 320$ only for motherboard??

And about this processor, its awesome processor...;)...i currently own the same and it is good for gaming as it is 3.2ghz...meanwhile has less cache memory but it don't affect anything for game or surfing net.
As it is BE edition its temp remain less on high loads...
Just make sure you have good PSU to overclock it to 3.8 or 4.0ghz...:p ...

One thing more, it is also a future gen. processor as x4 is quite old technology now...so go for 6 or 8 cores...:) 
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November 14, 2011 11:29:28 AM

Uther39 said:
One thing to be aware of is thats as new games become more multi threaded then the 1090t will come into its own as a gaming CPU as we are seeing already with titles such as BF3, in new titles such as these the 1090t even out performs the mighty i5 2500k.

So personaly i would buy the 1090t and a decent after markey cooler and OC it to 3.8 - 4.0 ghz.



+1 ;) 
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November 14, 2011 11:33:10 AM

Uther39 said:
One thing to be aware of is thats as new games become more multi threaded then the 1090t will come into its own as a gaming CPU as we are seeing already with titles such as BF3, in new titles such as these the 1090t even out performs the mighty i5 2500k.

So personaly i would buy the 1090t and a decent after markey cooler and OC it to 3.8 - 4.0 ghz.

Have to agree , I don't game , but my son does and he is getting great frame rates with the 1090t on games like BF3 , graphics are great , no stuttering everything runs well . Only games I have tried are the need for speed shift and the new NFS and they play very well , An unreal experience on a 42" screen , mind blowing comes to mind .
And the x6 makes quick work encoding converting video , running CAD , the x4 mantra is just as good just doesn't cut it 159.00 for the 1090t , can't be beat .
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November 14, 2011 11:58:23 AM

All this nonsense about the 1090T and BF3. How is it out performing the 2500K?

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November 14, 2011 12:08:14 PM

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November 14, 2011 12:10:42 PM

Now compare both your table and my table, then the prices for the 1090t, 1100t 2500k and 2600k, and then tell me what gives you better performance for your money?
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November 14, 2011 12:26:20 PM

jdw_swb said:
All this nonsense about the 1090T and BF3. How is it out performing the 2500K?

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/458/bench/CPU_03.png


Once your CPU is able to supply the GPU with enough bandwidth, the GPU becomes the performance bottleneck, not the CPU. If you look at the bottom of the chart, you will see that the dual core FX and Athlon II processors have much lower performance minimums. My guess is that BF3 is optimized for quad core procesing, and the Core i3, even though it is only a dual core, is able to perform because of hyperthreading.

The point where the Thuban starts to outperform the 2500K would be when your system needs more than 4 processes running simultaneously and still be able to supply you graphics card with enough bandwidth. Say, for instance, if you were to encode a couple of videos and play BF3 at the same time. Quite possible in the real world, I would say. In this case, the 2600K would be the optimal solution, since it has 4 core and supports 4 more logical cores through hyperthreading. The Thuban could be a contender, though, since it has 6 true cores.
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November 14, 2011 1:31:45 PM

x4 955 is allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll you need i ran benchmarks with my gtx 570 and found that going from 3.00ghz[ under stock clock] to 4.2ghz i gained very little 3.6ghz seems to get rid of any bottleneck. I am not a fan boy of intel or amd i have had a 2500k and an i7 920 and got rid of them both as the systems cost too dam much for 0 performance gain in games and games alone.
farcry 2 1900x1200 8xaa all maxed

x4 955 gtx 570 3.00ghz 4.2ghz

Average Framerate: 72.87 Average Framerate: 78.77
Max. Framerate: 107.12
Min. Framerate: 53.52 Max. Framerate: 121.55
Min. Framerate: 60.75
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November 14, 2011 1:33:50 PM

x4 955 gtx 570 3.00ghz 4.2ghz

Average Framerate: 72.87 Average Framerate: 78.77
Max. Framerate: 107.12 Max. Framerate: 121.55
Min. Framerate: 53.52 Min. Framerate: 60.75
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November 14, 2011 3:31:39 PM

Hmmmm, GTX 580 about 500 BUCKs, Performance diff for BF 3 Beta 8% in favor of the AMD proc vs the I5-2500k. Cost difference between AMD and a I5-2500k when you look at the whole picture, CPY + MB, Plus a 580 is 6 % lower for an AMD build.

If I was building a new system and the ONLY thing I did was Play BF3 on it, maybe the 50/60 bucks saved might be worth it. But if I'm spending that much, I would shoot for the overall better system - The I5-2500k with a Z68 MB. The CPU is ONLY one part of the equation, the other being the MB and the GPU. As long as the CPU is not holding the GPU back, then either is acceptable. From a MB stand the Intel chipset is better. Unfortunately with AMDs cut back they are having a hard time keeping up with Intel and their vastly larger Workforce and R&D budget to match Intel's driver performance (ie SSD performance).

Then there is the upgrad path, With Intel's IB - TOO EXPENSIVE currently. For AMD there is BD, but I would not call that much of a upgrade.

When looking at the overall picture in terms of 3rd party developement, when designing new hardware/software: If there is a diff in performance between AMD and Intel, quess who is going to win (In General) - the 20 % (AMD) market, or the 70% (Intel) market.
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November 14, 2011 3:35:44 PM

I see what your saying chief, but my view is that for most people, a better all round system would be the 1090t, and then spend the extra $60 you saved on a better GPU than you could otherwise afford.
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November 14, 2011 4:16:40 PM

Would agree that the $60 could go toward a better GPU which would affect game play more than the CPU. But as a around system and looking to upgrade (outside of just the GPU), in my opinion the Intel build would be better.

Then I'm reminded that opinion is like individuals - everyone has a (insert Body part). So I respect your opinion even though it differs from mine.
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November 14, 2011 4:53:09 PM

(ANUS)
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November 14, 2011 5:49:21 PM

so confused dont know where to go, i just dont want to spend over $550 . honestly i want a good gaming pc and a good surfing expericence. soo i am stuck :( 
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November 14, 2011 5:55:06 PM

I will not spend 100+ clams on 1 or 2 FPS on any game. Get your PII 955, shut up, and enjoy.
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November 14, 2011 6:01:35 PM

true ...does the x4 have good all round performance not only for gaming?
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November 14, 2011 6:05:56 PM

Agree go with Phenom II, save your money for the next system you'll have to build (or better yet spend it on a girl or some pot)
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November 14, 2011 6:06:45 PM

Arguenta - my Phenom II has never seen 100% usage and I'm hell on my systems.

If you can tax a Phenom II, you're working really hard and need two physical CPU's or more than one machine doing your work
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November 14, 2011 6:06:58 PM

OK chappy, trust me on this if all you do is game and surf the net then you will be more than happy with either an X6 or any of the X4 Phenoms, so take the plunge, make sure you buy yourself an AM3+ MOBO (Black CPU SCKT) so you can have an upgrade path.
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November 14, 2011 6:11:23 PM

so they are compatible with am3+ as well?
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November 14, 2011 6:54:59 PM

markuk1 said:
x4 955 is allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll you need i ran benchmarks with my gtx 570 and found that going from 3.00ghz[ under stock clock] to 4.2ghz i gained very little 3.6ghz seems to get rid of any bottleneck. I am not a fan boy of intel or amd i have had a 2500k and an i7 920 and got rid of them both as the systems cost too dam much for 0 performance gain in games and games alone.
farcry 2 1900x1200 8xaa all maxed

x4 955 gtx 570 3.00ghz 4.2ghz

Average Framerate: 72.87 Average Framerate: 78.77
Max. Framerate: 107.12
Min. Framerate: 53.52 Max. Framerate: 121.55
Min. Framerate: 60.75

Why would you get rid of an i5-2500k system, when it completely outperforms it and you already bought the parts and built it. How does it cost too much if you already built it, then by building a phenom machine you spent more. You make no sense. :non: 
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November 14, 2011 6:55:22 PM

Might want to take a look at this - BF3
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

In terms of upgrade path, the AMD path currently is to Bulldozer.

Upgrade path for Intel SB is to Ivybridge (Better upgrade path).
Above artical shows a lowly I3-2105 beating the FX 8150

Also, on Nr of cores.
With Intel I7-2600k, going from 2 -> 4 cores NO Difference.
With FX 8150 foing from 2 cores to 4 Cores to 6 cores -> 8 cores = 71.95->79.14->79.03->78.98

Bottom Line: I stick to my recommendation, spend a little more and get an I5-2500 (for MB get one that will alow upgrade to IB - When IB drops in price as IB is currently to expensive.)

@ jerry6:
Looked at the link for the two MB. Yes They are LOW cost, For a good reason They are VERY low end with No real upgrade, ie sata 6 or USB 3 outside of using a expantion card, and then taht is a POOR subsitute for a real sata 6/USB3 enabled MB.
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November 14, 2011 7:11:55 PM

My wife has an old saying, penny wise, pound fullish. Only here it is in revearse.

Yes you can keep your budget down today, and fluch that money down the lew next year when you find you can not really upgrade to what you want.

Your choice - one X16 slot - Want to game, you buy a mid range, want to up gaming and add a 2nd GPU in SLI/Xfire - NO can do. Want to fix the SLOWEST component on your rig and Buy a SATA 6 SSD - can do but at reduced performance - only have sata 3 ports.
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November 14, 2011 7:17:39 PM

are you talking about the gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3
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November 14, 2011 7:30:43 PM

possible to find one that is micro atx? as i have a micro atx board... thanks
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November 14, 2011 7:32:01 PM

Yes
The MB noob2222 linked to would be better. Did you read that link I posted on BF 3 - Very informative.
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November 14, 2011 7:37:21 PM

doesn't look like any of the new 900 series are available in micro atx.
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November 14, 2011 7:41:19 PM

why is it that bulldozer cant perform to the likes of the i5
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November 14, 2011 7:46:15 PM

i might be able to buy a cheap case, what size of case to buy for the msi listed above
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