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June 14, 2011 4:10:19 AM

I am currently building a new gaming rig, and after reviewing the endless choices of video cards, i cant make my choice. I think i would prefer to stay with nvidia and would eventually like to sli, but not right off the start, i have around 300 dollars to spend also.
Will be running mainly mmo's, im building this computer with SWTOR in mind!

Help would be awesome, TY
June 14, 2011 5:01:10 AM

what does your pending build consist of, so far?? The MSI geforce gtx 560 Ti twin frozr II card is a good card for under $300, there are also alot of other nice cards for around $300. We'll help you the best we can, but i also suggest you look at the many benchmarks and reviews here on Tomshardware, if you haven't already..
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June 14, 2011 5:07:11 AM

Hi sorry for not being more specific, i am 2 days into the build currently i have a coolermaster haf932, and a asus sabertooth 990fx mobo, going to be adding 12gb of 1600 ram most likely gskill, and a 8 core amd cpu(when they come out). Also 1000w psu min and ssd drive, a 7200rpm 64mb 1 tb drive.
Thats my current plan so i was wondering what would work best im looking for a card for 300 as i wanna sli when i get more cash after the initial build!

TY
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June 14, 2011 12:42:57 PM

With a computer like that, you may want to look at an HD 6970 or a 570GTX. They are both over $300 (around 350) but at the same time, you do not need that 8 core AMD CPU that will probably be very expensive. No games will use 8 cores for a VERY VERY long time; hell, very few games even use more than 2 right now. I would get myself a Phenom II x4 975 BE or one of the Bulldozer 4 cores which will overclock like a beast and give you amazing performance.

Save yourself some money on that CPU and get yourself a HD 6970 or GTX 570. Either of those gpu's is what a system like yours deserves
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June 14, 2011 5:14:49 PM

I see what your saying? I have looked at the amd cards and the 2gb is a selling point to me, was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with gtx560ti 2gb how does it compare to the other cards you guys have recommended!

i really appreciate the help thus far, and may consider that cpu you guys are suggesting! also about to order 16gb of 2x
Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory

ty
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June 14, 2011 5:33:52 PM

wow... glad i asked for the other specs. thats sum build you got going on there, buddy. Dont get me wrong, i think we all would love to have an 8core cpu. truth is, there arent any games that would use 6cores let-alone 8cores. So, as phishy said, i would get a quad core CPU and then get a nicer 6950 2gb/ 6970 with the left over moneys. I can personally vouch for the AMD Phenom IIs, my 965BE handles any game just fine. But, if your dead set on that set-up, A good match for that 8core CPU would probably be a 6990 for ~$700. Im honestly not sure what a good match would be for a 8core cpu, under $300....
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June 14, 2011 5:35:59 PM

damn, late reply
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June 14, 2011 6:11:42 PM

seems like everyone is trying to steer me in the direction of amd, maybe coz they have the 2gb gpus. Besides the amd's what nvidia stuff as good if not better than the 6950, and after reading the card tests on this website they seem like all the nvidia products out perform the amd stuff, clarification on this would be nice, im not against amd just as my mobo has the option of both i wanna make the right discision!

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June 14, 2011 6:20:25 PM

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HD 6950s 2GB if u're considering dual GPU.
the 1GB frame buffer on the GTX560Tis would bottleneck them when in SLI......

and I think u should base ur build on what's currently in the market not what AMD has not released.....


So why do mine run so well then? :pfff: 
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June 14, 2011 6:54:22 PM

generaly speaking, amd is the cheaper of the 2. Nvidia is usually a bit more expensive, but you will often find that Nvidia cards run a lot of games faster than their AMD counterparts. Im not sure if greghome knew this but, the GTX 560Ti actually comes in a 2gb version. So, if you want a great performing Nvidia card for around $300, the GTX 560TI 2gb would be a good choice. Also check out the Nvidia GTX 480 1.5gb. Glad to see your doing some research and looking at benchmarks:) 
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June 14, 2011 7:25:28 PM

Thanks Hooru yes i was looking at the 2gb version of the 560ti that evga makes for $250 dollars palit also makes one as does sparkle i believe! Was wondering how this card matches up to the 6950 and 6970 as they are similar configs. Does anyone have experience with 560ti 2gb if so how is it. I wasnt saying that the amd stuff isnt as good as the nvidia stuff i was just looking for an alternative so i can keep my options open. eventually i will be buying another to either crossfire or sli wonder which pairing of the 3 cards is better when running a pair.

Comments and experience would be ver helpfull TY
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June 14, 2011 7:27:01 PM

Mousemonkey said:
So why do mine run so well then? :pfff: 


I mean dont get me wrong im picking apples from oranges these are all great cards, just trying to get help as to whats what,i hope i didnt rub you the wrong way and your comments have been helpful!
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June 14, 2011 7:38:06 PM

the 560TI performs very closely to a 6950/6970. the same is true for the GTX480. and mousemonkey wasnt talking to you, he aimed that comment at greghome.
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June 14, 2011 8:38:04 PM

snowsed said:
I mean dont get me wrong im picking apples from oranges these are all great cards, just trying to get help as to whats what,i hope i didnt rub you the wrong way and your comments have been helpful!

Like hooru said, that comment wasn't directed at you mate, as for what card(s) you should choose, good luck with that! :lol:  There are some really good choices about at the moment and unless you have some preference for a certain manufacturer or AIB then choosing any particular card is going to be quite tough and I don't envy you at all.
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June 15, 2011 12:38:57 AM

As the X6 series of CPUs are outperformed by X4s at the same clock (due to game coding, graphics driver threading,OS overhead, etc.) I doubt an 8 core is going to improve things *for a gaming system*; the 8 core cpu will be likely be equaled or outperformed by the BD quadcore, and at a lower clockspeed....and lower cost.
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June 15, 2011 6:34:44 PM


Well if you cast your mind back to the release of the GTX460's then you may recall that Nvida themselves stated that those cards were not aimed at resolutions higher than 19 x 10 hence why they were only capable of two way SLi and as the GTX560 is the direct replacement of the 460 it stands to reason that the same rule applies. So why you keep mentioning their capabilities or lack of at 25 x 16 I don't know because they are not and never were aimed at that resolution.
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June 16, 2011 7:20:22 PM

I dont even see the 560 listed on those bench marks...........??

@snowsed-- have you chosen a card yet??
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June 17, 2011 5:23:39 AM

People are recommending cards, but I haven't seen anything about what monitor is being used on this build? It'll make a big difference on what I'd recommend if you were using 1080p or 2560x1600.
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June 17, 2011 8:09:59 AM

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HD 6950s 2GB if u're considering dual GPU.
the 1GB frame buffer on the GTX560Tis would bottleneck them when in SLI......

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Not quite sure what this statement means, or is supposed to mean....

Pitting a slower 6870(1gb) against a 6950(2gb) is not really an 'apples to apples' comparison.

Here is a graph showing gamng framerate comparisons of 560 Ti, 6870(1gb), 6950(1gb) and 6950(2gb)...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4137/amds-gtx-560-ti-coun...

1gb of framebuffer is plenty up through even 2560x1600, save for perhaps F1 or whatever the detail heavy racing game was; reviews of 6950(2gb) vs 1gb variants has nearly identical performance in all comon titles; oddly enough, frequently the 1 gb version was slightly faster except at 2560x1600. (Enthusiast shader settings at 2560x1600 did slow the 1 gb variant a tad, however...)

A pair of 560Tis scales with SLI just as well as do the other Nvidia cards, but, *MIGHT* not be the best choice if wanting max enthusisast settings at 2560x1600.
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June 17, 2011 9:17:34 AM

Don't forget the 6950 and 6970 run loud and hot in Xfire. I would choose the GTX 570.
Also why not get a AMD CPU know overclock the s*** out of it and then upgrade to 8 core later if need be. AMDs are cheap.
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June 17, 2011 1:55:28 PM

I'm personally a huge fan of the 6950s. I have two of them right now in crossfire and their performance is absolutely awesome! :) 
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June 17, 2011 2:03:36 PM

candlelarbra5212 said:
Don't forget the 6950 and 6970 run loud and hot in Xfire. I would choose the GTX 570.
Also why not get a AMD CPU know overclock the s*** out of it and then upgrade to 8 core later if need be. AMDs are cheap.


No, they don't run loud. They run loud if they are crossfired with no space between them. Most the Sandy Bridge motherboards now add an extra slot between their PCIe slots.
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June 17, 2011 11:40:38 PM

sorry i have been busy with work last couple of days but reading your comments:

I will be running the best monitor i can get so resolution is not an issue!

Here are my choices so far from research and reviews and your feedback!

Evga gtx560ti 2gb

palit gtx560ti 2gb

evga gtx480fermi 1.5gb

xfx 6950 2gb

asus 6950 2gb


i know thats alot of cards and figuring out which is best is a hard chore i also think i am going to go with a x6 1100t just coz the 990fx mobo form reviews and asus feedback runs those x6 better than it did on the 890 series mobo's!


Feedback is much appreciated ty all so far for your help!
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June 17, 2011 11:45:39 PM

You really should specify more about the resolution. The better the monitor, the bigger the issue.
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June 18, 2011 12:00:11 AM

was looking at these monitors:

ASUS VE247H Black 23.6" 2ms Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 300 cd/m2 10,000,000:1 (ASCR)

SAMSUNG P2770HD Rose Black 27" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 50,000:1(1000:1) Built-in HDTV Tuner & Speakers

Acer H274HLBMID Black 27" 5ms Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 300 cd/m2 100,000,000:1 Max (ACM)

I hope this helps but this gives you an idea of what im looking at getting!
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June 18, 2011 12:37:46 AM

well i already bought my motherboard lol so im stuck with amd lol but it is sli crossfire certed as it is a 990fx. i have a 1000w psu i bought this week as eventually i will be sli/crossfiring what i settle on.

What i hate there is no reviews on ths 560ti 2gb from evga anywhere there all teh 1gb version which makes me cranky lol.

i just want more info on those cards, i have heard and read that amd is bad at updating there drivers, and nvidia does a much better job, is this true these are all contributing facts to my purchase!

I also have a friend thats building too so were both battling back and forth on what is best card in the 250-300 range, im leaning nvidia and hes going amd, this is why im looking for statitical numbers from cards in that range.

I have read the graphics card reviews, i want real numbers. eg i own x card in this game at these settings im getting x-fps.

i have been playing on my laptop for a while because i travel alot, it has a 5650 in it and i played alotta mmos and it handles them pretty well for a laptop, but im building this so i can get a better gamiong experience!

I wanna run at 60fps+ in a high resolution, what ever the highest swtor will have available to run without suffering on playability, keep in mind im building this machine with mainly mmos in mind, i wouold like to play some fps's too but mmo's is my bread and butter!


Ty
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June 18, 2011 1:01:41 AM

For a 1080p resolution (which you still didn't tell me with your monitor list ><, forcing me to look it up), and with the criteria of max FPS on max settings for MMO's, I'd recommend a GTX 580.

I recommend a single card, because many if not most people who play MMO's do so from a window so they can check out websites, vent and other things while they play. In windowed mode, SLI and crossfire does not work. While lower cards might be enough, they might not be. Rift for example, would not allow you to max it out with a 570 or 6970, although a 580 won't either, as your CPU will be too slow for that one to play at 60+ fps.
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June 18, 2011 1:41:56 AM

well it looks like im not playing in windowed mode any more ty for that tip!

so basically greg what your saying is between these cards that its just pref as they perform almost the same, now what if i do decide to screw the sli/crossfire thing and go with a 3gb gtx 580 vs those cards sli if i buy the 580 i would not be sli those for cash reasons!

also my buddy is getting 60fps in rift on his gtx480 with a new sabertooth board like mine and a x6 1090t with 12g at 1600 with an ssd!

but from what i her the best machines are puliing no more than 65-70 fps in that game right now!

im sorry if im jumping around on cards but with more info especially that crossfire sli windowed thing you just told me maybe i should save my pennys and see if the single card option is better!

Thoughts?
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June 18, 2011 3:49:27 AM

Thought I'd hop in here. After awhile looking for a card I decided on a evga 560 ti 1gb. The next day I ended up getting a brand new pny 570 for only $250 cash from craigslist. That thing has been amazing for me so far. I know you probably won't fins one for that cheap but after rebates they are around 300. Don't rule that out as far as cards go, from what I've seen it's significant performance over the 560's
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June 18, 2011 4:04:25 AM

greg you make a valid point and bdizzle also, so speaking strictly from a dual card standpoint is the 2gb 560ti x2 gonna out perform the 6950x2 and the 570x2, will the extra memoty help with higher resolutions. maybe im getting to hung up on how much memory the cards have as the 570 has 1280 and the others are 2 gig cards.

Keep in mind a dual card setup will be what im aiming for eventually.

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June 18, 2011 6:17:14 AM

so basically i can see throw them all in a hat and pull one out because they are all almost the same. With this in mind i will just see which is the best deal a the time and by going dual cards i mean ill get 2 after about 1-2 months of having the other!

Greghome you have been very helpful and i look forward to making my choice!
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June 18, 2011 6:17:37 AM

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June 18, 2011 1:50:32 PM

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