Best video card for my POS!

my computer is a hp pavilion a6244n completely stock with a 250w powersource and a geforce 8400 gs card, what is the best card and powersource i can get to upgrade this thing that wont break my bank? also i believe it doesnt have a pci e 2.0 slot so you're going to have to deal with pci and pci e x16

Thanks guys!

this is what i was thinking?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161354 video card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028 psu


also if its fanless i need some info on what to do about that, or if it will be fine?

andd i do some avid gaming, im not hardcore like needing maxed settings on crysis 2 or anything, just need to upgrade my card because its a failure at games like civ 5
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  1. list your full system specs please....

    im guessing a antec earthwatts 380w psu and a 5770
  2. is there a way i can easily list them without having to type out every single part? like a program or something? and does a 5770 work for a pci e x16 slot? its not 2.0
  3. yes it does, type dx diag in the run box and hit enter otherwise type out your specs or I have no idea what to recomend you other than a new psu
  4. btw, games like civ 5 are more cpu intensive then they are gpu intensive, please at least tell me what cpu and RAM you have and what resolution you game at?
  5. Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vistasp2_gdr.101014-0432)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: HP-Pavilion
    System Model: GN702AA-ABA a6244n
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 3070MB RAM
    Page File: 2703MB used, 3654MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
    ---------------
    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS
    Manufacturer: NVIDIA
    Chip type: GeForce 8400 GS
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0422&SUBSYS_C7353842&REV_A1
    Display Memory: 1520 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 241 MB
    Shared Memory: 1279 MB
    Current Mode: 1440 x 900 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor: HP w17e Wide LCD Monitor
  6. Pci-e 2.0 cards are backward compatible with 1.0 slots. Having said that, these are my recommendations -

    www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127527

    www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

    I guess you have the E4500 as the CPU here. Although not a very ideal gaming CPU, its fast enough to keep pace with a GTS 450.
  7. I'd say 5770 instead of GTS 450. It's cheaper and faster.
  8. Don't you think a 5770 would be bottlenecked on a c2d @ 2.2? A 5670 can play civ 5 on high at that res and only costs $60. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=621465&CatId=3669
  9. Well I'm sure his CPU will bottleneck Civ 5 lol. But not all games. Still you do have a point, a 5670 is an alright partner for his system and is still plenty better than the 8400gs.

    Actually I see he's running 1440x900, so that makes the 5670 an even better choice. Basically any of these, whichever is the best price: 5670, 5750, 5770
  10. Civ being a turned based game would not necessarily need 30+ fps although a 5670 can get 30+ fps on high with no aa. And the cpu is really mainly used at the end of the turn which you would be sitting doing nothing anyways. Even on my 2500k on big/full maps I sit for awhile at the end of the turn.

    Nonetheless a better card would help on other games as well; but I'd still recommend a 5670 at that res/cpu. No point in putting too much money in a computer that is outdated.
  11. alright thanks so much for all this help guys! next question... if i were to upgrade a part a month... how would you go about doing it and which part would you upgrade too? prolly about 50 to 100 dollars a month to upgrading. thanks!
  12. Upgrading the rest of the components? That will not do, all that stuff is obsolete from a couple generations back. You'd need to buy all new stuff which will not be compatible. Save up for a whole new computer.

    You aren't too serious of a gamer so what you have now with a new gpu should do you fine till you save up enough.
  13. so new gpu and new powersource, what about a new 775 socket proc, even if its expensive for my mobo? would that be an OK investment?
  14. Since yours is an OEM pre-built system, upgrading the CPU might get tricky. Also, I don't think that board supports processors above 800 MHz FSB. So just check it.
  15. It makes no difference that it's oem for replacing the cpu. If you want better old stuff, buy it off craigslist or something, you'd save a lot of money. The prices don't drop if you're buying new. Why waste money on old stuff that will be outdated faster (if it's not already) when you could just save a little more for new stuff and have an upgrade path after that. If you're saying 50-100 per month, cpu+ram+mobo could be ~$300 for an i5 or phenom x4.

    You could even find used stuff of last generations i5 and still be a better buy than upgrading your old pos. It's just too outdated to do anything worth the money. Anything that could be upgraded is such a small improvement.
  16. would this be a viable processor upgrade?
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Intel%26%23174%3B+-+Pentium%26%23174%3B+Dual-Core+3.0GHz+Processor+E5700/1592232.p?id=1218270597172&skuId=1592232 and the only reason for bestbuy is that i have a $25 giftcard to there so it would only be $50. and my motherboard is this, so you can see if it will work, http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c00590499
  17. No, your motherboard lists either 800 series Smithfield, or up to 580 or 670 Prescott.

    The only CPU I can even find that is compatible is 2.8ghz 820:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116389

    It's only $26 though so that's pretty sweet for an 800mhz boost.
  18. alright... so i think im going to go with the 380w powersource, ^^^ that processor, and http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sapphire+-+ATI+Radeon+HD+5670+1GB+DDR5+PCI+Express+Graphics+Card/2507409.p?id=1218331149997&skuId=2507409

    a 5670 that i can get for 75 from bestbuy anyone have anything to say against this?

    Edit: or this $60 dollar one that was posted before, is there any difference? ( http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=621465&CatId=3669 )
  19. I think that's a pretty good plan for now. Don't expect it to be a whole new computer, but you should notice games are running smoother.

    My girlfriend had an HP computer with a 1.8ghz dual core, 2gb RAM, and no GPU.
    We first made an upgrade to a Biostar 775 mobo ($70) and an E5400 (2.8ghz, $80) along with 4gb RAM ($40) and Windows 7 64 bit ($100, she had Vista before). That alone made it run quite a bit better. After that, we got her a 5770 ($95) which gave better video quality - but she doesn't really game (except Sims 3 lol). But one of the best upgrades was we got her a new HDD. She went from a 5400rpm 320gb drive that her PC came with to a 7200RPM Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black HDD ($70) and honestly it made the PC quite a bit faster. So I guess my point in telling you this, is that after you get these parts you might consider a new fast HDD as your next upgrade.

    Well, there's always places to improve. I think your plan is a good start point and definitely good prices.
  20. The E5700 will be a nice upgrade. But newegg has a better deal for that price.

    www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116385
  21. Forgot to mention the E5700 link also. Putting separately coz am not able to edit my comment.

    www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116381
  22. I'm almost positive that the pentim D 820 is signifigantly worse than the E4500 you already have, Mhz aint everything.
  23. theyre almost exactly the same except the obvious higher ghz and whatnot, except some *advanced intel technologies* are different at the bottom,
    Current : http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=30781
    New: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27512
  24. why?
  25. His mobo specs don't list Wolfdale CPUs as compatible. Unless of course there's been a BIOS revision that added CPU support.
  26. An they aren't really even close to the same, pentium D is the generation prior to the 65 nm core 2 duo's.
  27. well what do you suggest thats not over 50 or 60 dollars?
  28. wolfram23 said:
    His mobo specs don't list Wolfdale CPUs as compatible. Unless of course there's been a BIOS revision that added CPU support.

    I saw that too, but obviously he's already got a core 2 duo or so his DXdiag says, so.... I don't really know what to recommend to him, the e5700 would be a good choice but the board specs say it won't work. There must have been a bios update but I'm too lazy/don't know where to look to find out.
  29. Can you get the E5700 from best buy and return it if it doesn't work?
  30. I think the best bet is to talk to an HP rep, but I did find this after some googling:
    http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/130735-asus-p5lp-le-core-duo-compatible.html
    Quote:
    Yes your motherboard is compatible with core 2 duos

    the motherboard supports the following

    Core 2 Duo E6000 Series
    Core 2 Duo E4000 Series
    Pentium E2000 series
    Pentium 4 6x1 series
    Celeron D 300 series

    this is the information i got from HP because my compaq presario has a ASUS P5LP-LE,and i went out and bought a E6850 3.0ghz Core 2 duo,a Nvidia 9600 GT
    and a extra 512mb ddr2 to put in my pc,all woring flawlessly.

    the only complaint i have about the motherboard is although it states it supports 4gb of ddr2,i cannot get it to work with anymore than 1.5gb.
  31. so is the agreement made that i should cancel the newegg order for the processor asap?
  32. well its too late on the processor, should i try it or is it just going to be a waste of thermal paste?
  33. Return it, it will be a waste of your time and paste, it's way worse than what you've already got.

    After doing some research the E5700 won't work either and there is no BIOS update available, but the E6600 or E6700 should work at 75 and 85 bucks on newegg respectively.
  34. its too late, the payment or whatever was taken, so i just threw away 25 dollars basically, if by chance can you try and link me to one of those two processors on bestbuy if they have them? im on my phone so i cant really look at it. thanks!
  35. *** well I feel bad now. It's too bad HP is retarded and doesn't update with proper compatibility specs. You probably can cancel the order, email Newegg about it. Maybe tell them you want to swap the order to something else like the E6600. Even if the payment went through they can still credit you. I've canceled online orders before, it's not a big problem. Just contact them.
  36. dw about if wolf, i just found a bag of change from when i was like 14 behind my dresser, yeahhh it had 35 dollars in change.
  37. bensfriend1 said:
    its too late, the payment or whatever was taken, so i just threw away 25 dollars basically, if by chance can you try and link me to one of those two processors on bestbuy if they have them? im on my phone so i cant really look at it. thanks!

    It is very unusual for newegg to be like that, email a rep or do the live chat thing tell them you ordered the wrong thing and want to exchange it for the E6600. You may get stuck with shipping but it should be less than 26 bucks or whatever. I guess you can always sell it on ebay and get your money back if they won't work with you but newegg is usually better than that.
  38. the wolfdale one? can you please link me?
  39. on a 1 to 10 benski, how sure are you that thats going to work, 10 being 100%
  40. Not quite 10, but it would round up to 10.

    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080268&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3437575&lang=en

    That's HP's like on your motherboard and it clearly says "Core 2 Duo E6x00 (Conroe) up to E6700 " so it it doesn't work it's HPs fault not mine ;)
  41. Alright well i got the video card today... it says it recommends a 400W or more powersource... is the 380W gonna be enough for the new card and new proc?
  42. Yep you'll be ok. Did you get the E6600?
  43. That i did, Live Chat let me cancel the other order :) sooo no worries, hakuna matata haha
  44. Awesome! Well, let us know how it's working once you've installed everything.
  45. power source works like a champ, video card works... not on my system at the moment tho idfk whats wrong, it knows the cord is connected but theres no VGA signal? worked like a champ with my friends computer. havent even fucked with the processor yet.
  46. yeah processor doesnt work either... so im basically stuck with a 150 dollar powersource at the moment.
  47. You're saying the E6600 doesn't work?

    Have you removed the CMOS battery and unplugged the PSU to reset the mobo? Also, does it have the most up to date BIOS?
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