Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

A New System.... Need the Pros...

Last response: in Systems
Share
August 22, 2011 3:46:59 AM

:hello:  Hello All! Its been 3 years sinse you all helped me build my first computer and it is now time to build a new one. I want to build an awesome gaming rig as this is the primary use for it. I have been reading the forums here and can see that most of you are almost always recommending the i7 2600K over anything else. I am interested in getting the i7 990X Extreme Edition mainly because I am not interested in overclocking due to the fact that I have no idea where to start with that. Aside from cost, which processor is better suited and why?

This is a parts list that I have come up with so far, I know already that I will probably need to make some changes so that is why I have come to this information wonderland once again! :D  If something is outta place or doesn't sit right with you folks please let me know! Also, cost is a non-issue for me. I know this rig may be more costly than it needs to be as is.(which I notice is usually the case here :lol:  ) So once again, this is why I am asking the experts!

OS - Windows 7

Case - Antec Twelve Hundred
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I have the 900 now and love it

CPU & MOBO's - i7 2600K with a Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z
i7 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seems to be the most recommended combo

OR... i7 990X with a eVGA X58 Classified3
i7 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
eVGA - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
My crazy combo. Overkill?

Memory - CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I not sure about this selection. Also I am not sure which RAM to get for the eVGA mobo to fill the 6 dim slots.

Video Card - EVGA GeForce GTX 590
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I would get 2 of these for SLI. Overkill?

Power Supply - PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 1200W (Large PSU for GPU's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This was my first choice for PSU's. I am sure there is a better choice out there. I am currently using a PC Power & Cooling PSU and have had zero issues. Will this fit in the 1200 case?

I don't think I will need a separate sound card or a network card but if I should get one, fill me in!
There will be other odds and ends that I can deal with. Its just the main stuff that I need help with. I was also wondering if SSD is worth the money or if I should stick with a HDD. I am not familiar with SSD RAID setups or anything like that.

Thanks for taking the time to help me out with my new build! Cheers! :hello: 



More about : system pros

August 22, 2011 4:12:43 AM

first off let me just say that i envy the part of your post saying "cost is a non issue for me" but it would be helpful to get some sort of idea on the budget.

you wont need a sound card or network card. unless you happen to be an extreme audiophile have an exuberant surround sound system. even then its hard to justify the cost.

that being said, if your primary interest is gaming you definately want to go sandy-bridge and even if it wasnt its hard to justify spending the money on a largely dead socket. so for me the question would be i5 or i7? but honestly there isnt much of a performance gain to be had from the i7 vs the i5 in gaming. but that is up to you, if you just want the i7 god knows i understand

anyway what kind of monitors are you running?
August 22, 2011 4:13:01 AM

Get Core i5 2500K, $100 less
Intel X58 is out of date, you won't want to spend a fortune on outdated hardware.
All CPU you have mentioned are designed for OC as their multiplier are unlocked.
A single GTX 590 has 2 GPUs, so technically it's already in SLI. Grabbing two of them will be quad SLI. But you will need to run it at insane resolutions to take advantage of it.
Related resources
August 22, 2011 5:04:00 AM

Firstly...holy crap lol.
With what you have listed Id go i7 2600k. The 990x is wasted money for gameing. No game needs that sort of CPU power Only a small hand full of games require a decent amount cpu usage and a 990x is over kill. Think of it as buying a bugatti vayron and then only being able to do the speed limit...ever lol.
Id ditch the RAM and go something like the corsair dominator 2200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The ram you have selected would more suit someone how into hardcore overclocking.
Going Quad sli 2x gtx590, yeah, overkill lol. IMHO any frame rate more than 60 persecond is a waste. A single 590 is going to give ample frames on any game and looking into new release games, nothing is going to kill that card for a long time. Id keep the cash aside for the next generation of cards, not to mention some games can crash frequenlty when using quad sli and xfire although new driver can prevent that.
I reckon you should look into getting a RAID0 setup, they are really quite simple to setup and the speed...OH THE SPEED! is awesome. Cause you dont want a beastly computer playing these wicked games but wait a while for them to load. If you got the money go SSD and give em a go (every body thinks differently of them). But 2 good 7200rpm HDD, or WD raptors are awesomly quick and better bang for buck.
August 22, 2011 5:24:36 AM

Well I think spending more than $4000-$5000 would be useless at this point and given my skill level in this stuff. I am running a 25" HP monitor similar to this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and a 19" Dell monitor as a secondary.

So if the X58 is out dated what chipset is recommended? Or is the i7 2600K and Asus mobo good enough? How much RAM does one get before you start bottle necking your system? I like the 6 dim slots thing but is that like a fisherman buying a shiney lure for all the fish it won't catch?

I did not know that these GPU's were dual cores. I guess I will stick to one and see how it goes. When you say RAID0, are there other types? Also, when you run a SSD, do you have to run 2 or more or is a single unit good enough? I have read that SSD can be more unstable and are more vunerable to shock and what not.
August 22, 2011 5:41:52 AM

My view on what you have said is simple:

2600k on a z68 mobo pref with pcie x16 gen 3 (yeah its out)
RAM 8gigs of crosari dominators at 2000 should work amazingly
And 1 gtx 590 should be ample for most games
Your SSD facts are kind of incorrect 1 ssd to boot off of will make your system fly

Raid 0 is the fastest and then you can get other raids that save every thing twice on different drives then there are combos of the 2 in varying degrees.

The ram slot thing is kind of nice but atm you wont need them and by the time you need them the board socket and 240pin ddr3 will be out dated.

Hope i helped 2134bob
August 22, 2011 6:00:17 AM

The Sandy Bridge i7 2600K is probably the most powerful desktop processor at the moment. It outperforms the 990X in most games and other tasks.

Get an Asus Z68 MoBo with PCIe 3.0 support.

4x4GB of Corsair or Gskill high performance 1866Mhz RAM will be more than enough for atleast upcoming 5 years.

Get a single GTX 590 for now, if you (ever) need the power of another one then attach another 590. (quad SLI)

Get a 256GB SSD and use it as the cache of your HDD. (Z68 can do that)

Overclocking is easy with the 2600K, beleive me! You can easily pull 4.0Ghz with the stock air cooling system. You just need to increase the value of the multiplier in BIOS and voila! Your CPU has been overclocked.
August 22, 2011 6:01:13 AM

edit: the guy who posted above me is incorrect, dont listen to anything in his post. z68 cannot cache a ssd of that size and for your kind of budget you can forgo a mechanical drive all together and just use ssd storage.

well for that kind of budget you would all but have to throw in 1 2560 x 1440 monitor. if not 2

im not sure i would really know where to begin on with that much budget to burn.
August 22, 2011 6:39:56 AM

Just doing a little research, I found that for now, until the new IvyBridge processors are out, the PCI-E 3.0 doesn't do a whole lot over 2.0 with SandyBridge. Looking on Asus website, they don't yet have a PCI-E 3.0 mobo out yet.

So far it looks like I am getting a i7 2600k, asus z68 mobo, 1 eVGA gtx 590.

Any thoughts on a PSU? Also for extra cooling i am getting the Zalman 9900.

With the RAM, if you buy 2 dual channel kits, when connected would it become quad channel?
August 22, 2011 4:26:59 PM

No Sandy Bridge currently only supports dual channel. Having all ram slots occupied will not give you quad channel.
Quad channel is for the high-end Sandy Bridge E.

You can use this template so you can get more suggestions
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
August 23, 2011 1:04:00 PM

Quote:
When you say RAID0, are there other types?

Yep there sure is :)  Theres one for just about any situation. Good friend google will give you the best idea on what availiable. :D 
August 23, 2011 1:49:47 PM

Thanks Chaos! I checked it out and it looks like RAID0 is obviously the best setup for my needs, however I don't know if I am comfortable with it. I think I will just use a SSD to cache my OS, with the mobo I have chosen. I am going to go with a 600GB WD raptor HDD. It got good reviews and is a decent price.

I am still not sure about a PSU. I have decided to run 2 gtx 590 cards and was wondering if a 1200W PSU would do the trick. I am sure it will but I just wanna check.

Corsair Professional Series Gold AX 1200W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Once I get the PSU figured out I will post what I will probably order for parts.
August 23, 2011 11:59:59 PM

newjack1 said:
Thanks Chaos! I checked it out and it looks like RAID0 is obviously the best setup for my needs, however I don't know if I am comfortable with it. I think I will just use a SSD to cache my OS, with the mobo I have chosen. I am going to go with a 600GB WD raptor HDD. It got good reviews and is a decent price.

I am still not sure about a PSU. I have decided to run 2 gtx 590 cards and was wondering if a 1200W PSU would do the trick. I am sure it will but I just wanna check.

Corsair Professional Series Gold AX 1200W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Once I get the PSU figured out I will post what I will probably order for parts.


No worries, go for what ever's easier for you, raptors are pretty kick-ass anyway. im sure what ever the set up you choose to go with, its going to dominate everything :sol: 
Every setup ive seen so far they have used a 1200w, so i dont see how it could be any problem for your rig.
August 24, 2011 5:37:43 AM

Well This is now my setup I am going to use. Any other changes I should make, please let me know right away as I will be ordering in the next day or so! Thanks for the help all!

CASE - Antec Twelve Hundred
CPU - Core i7 2600K with a Zalman 9900 cpu fan(I may learn how to overclock)
MOBO - Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z
GPU - 2 eVGA GTX 590
PSU - Corsair Professional Series Gold AX 1200W
RAM - GSKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 2133MHz
HDD - Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB
SSD - May still get a small one if needed for some reason
August 24, 2011 10:48:52 AM

newjack1 said:
Well This is now my setup I am going to use. Any other changes I should make, please let me know right away as I will be ordering in the next day or so! Thanks for the help all!

CASE - Antec Twelve Hundred
CPU - Core i7 2600K with a Zalman 9900 cpu fan(I may learn how to overclock)
MOBO - Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z
GPU - 2 eVGA GTX 590
PSU - Corsair Professional Series Gold AX 1200W
RAM - GSKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 2133MHz
HDD - Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB
SSD - May still get a small one if needed for some reason

sweet as looks good, if anything..perhaps a 3rd party CPU cooler, for if you decide to overclock, but im sure you'd know that. :D 
August 24, 2011 1:58:58 PM

Ya I put a Zalman 9900 cpu cooler on the list. I have the 9700 right now and I never hear it. I think its pretty good. Thanks again for all the help!
August 24, 2011 6:28:42 PM

have you begin your build? if not how about this set of list?

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
core i5 2500k - $219.99

mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
asrock z68 extreme7 gen3 - $289.99

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
patriot gamer 2 series 8gb - $28.00 after MIR

graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3x evga gtx 580 1.5gb - $1379.97 after MIR

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
corsair AX1200 - $259.99 after MIR

casing: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
coolermaster haf-x - $179.99 after MIR

ssd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ocz vertex 3 240gb - $459.99 after MIR

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
samsung spinpoint f3 1tb - $59.99

optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
lite on blu-ray burner IHBS112-29 - $119.99

cpu cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Noctua NH-D14 - $77.99


note:

- antec twelve hundred is definitely a cooling champion... but it's a little bit cramped inside

- 2133mhz ram? that's insane... but unless you go for extreme overclocking... these ram will only crushing industrial benchmarks only... it won't boost your games any further... so a pair of cheap 1600mhz will do just fine...

- asus maximus is a good mobo... but the asrock z68 extreme7 has pcie 3.0 which will be compatible with future gpu and ivy bridge cpu... so why not?

- 2600k is no better in games than 2500k...

- actually, i strongly suggest that 2 gtx 580 is more than enough to power any games to date... unless you want to play at extreme resolution...

- ssd may not boost your favourite game's fps... but it makes your computer boot faster... loading faster.... read/write faster... it'll do anything faster than traditional hdd...
August 24, 2011 9:26:33 PM

Thanks for the suggestions phenom! I think I will try out a slower ram set. Doing a little more reading I see that 1600MHz will do me just fine like you said. Also, I never even came across the cooler master case you showed me. I really like it and I think I am going to try it out!

I am going to stick with everything else though. I don't plan on upgrading or doing a new build again for a few years. The Ivy Bridge is not out yet so the PCIE 3.0 mobo would be a waste for me.

I am glad you picked the same PSU I choose as I was unsure of the wattage level. I thought mabey it was too much but I guess with 2 video cards it will suit my needs.

Thanks!!
August 25, 2011 10:58:14 AM

u're welcome... gtx 590 may be overkill for me... but good to see you planning to have two in your build... that should last for another 2-3years...
!