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I'm building a new gaming PC (my first one actually) and I can't choose between the GTX 570 and the Radeon 6970. I will be playing games like BF3, The Witcher 2, Skyrim, CoD 4,etc... on a 27'' monitor at a resolution of 1920x1200. Thanks :)
 
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If you want the nvidia features like physx and cuda then go for the gtx 570 but the 6970 has better performance.I suggest you take a look at this asus 6970,it has a great cooler if you dont mind about the 3 slot design
http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH6970_DCII2DI4S2GD5/
I would go for the 6970.
 
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god, that thing is huge!!! will it fit in a NZXT Phantom case and a MSI Z68MA-ED55 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 motherboard?
 
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It is 11 inches long=29.5 cm you can measure your case and see if it fits or not(I would recomend about 32-33cm space at least)and yes it will fit in your motherboard but if you want to have a croosfire setup in the future you should think about this because i think it wont feat in your case.You can also search for other manefactures like msi,sapphire,etc and choose one that feats you.
 
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Ok, I already searched for another manufacturer, PowerColor. It is supposed to run really cool, quiet and it only takes 2 slots. Thanks.
 
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yes they are long. maybe AMD will be able to beat this some time in future in term of length :D:

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/&menu=browser&image_id=971974&article_id=679483&page=3&show=n

joking aside your case should be able to fit in the card easily. performance wise the performance between the two should be identical with 6970 have a slight advantage over GTX570 but i personally think that the performance diffrence can be neglected. you can look here for some reference:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/29.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/18

but if you're going for larger resolution or multi-monitor gaming in the future 6970 is simply the better choice due to the card have more on board memory than GTX570. other things to look as well is what games that you're going to play. some games favor more on nvidia cards and vice versa. for example if you play more games that favoring AMD cards then it is more wise to get Radeon than GeForce.
 
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You really need to target the specific games you play. Unlike a few of the others who report the 6970 is better, for some reason the reviews I read either have the 6970 winning by a little or the GTX 570 winning by a lot, depending on the game. At your resolution, 2gb of memory will not make a difference.

Fortunately, you have listed a few of the games you intend to play on your new card. My advice is to look at benchmarks featuring BFBC2, Fallout 3, and COD4.

Here are the results from the Guru3d review listed by renz:

COD4MW2 @ 1920x1200
570: 148 fps
570 OC: 161 fps
6970: 140 fps
6970 OC: 147 fps

BFBC2
570: 56 fps
570 OC: 64 fps
6970: 56 fps
6970 OC: 60 fps

XBitLabs has a nice chart showing several benchmarks to help fine tune your decision based on the actual games you play. To read the chart, the red bars show the performance of the 6970 relative to the GTX 570. Negative red bars to the left of center favor the GTX 570, positive red bars to the right of center favor the 6970: (Click for a larger image.)
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd6970-hd6950_12.html#sect0
 
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Mmmm... according to those charts the gtx 570 is much better most of the times at a resolution of 1920x1200. Also it seems like there aren't many good and cheap 1200p monitors anymore so I will most likely have to get a 1920x1080, and I guess the 570 works even better than the 6970 @ that res.
 
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So if I'm playing games like StarCraft2, BF3, Skyrim, The Witcher 2, BF:BC2, CoD4, etc... at a resolution of 1920x1080 for the price and performance the nVidia gtx 570 is better than the Radeon HD 6970. Right?
 
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Finally with all that figured out this will be the whole setup:

-$140- Case: NZXT Phantom

-$224- Processor: Intel Core i5-2500k Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz

-$160- Motherboard: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX

-$75- RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)

-$360- Graphics Card: EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570

-$65- Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB

-$130- Power Supply: SILVERSTONE ST75F-P 750W

-$40- Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1

-$20- DVD Burner: SAMSUNG SH-222AB - OEM

Total -$1214-

I would like if someone could tell me if all the parts are compatible
Thanks =P
 
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Just one thing to note, so you don't get mislead by matto17sec's chart. It shows both the 6950 and 6970 against the 570 only. If you take away the orange lines, so it's just the 6970 vs the 570, it looks a lot more even. Having the 6950 showing in the chart (which is a lot cheaper), makes it look like the 6970 look slower.
 
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I noticed that, but I also searched for 570 and 6970 benchmarks and it seems that at resolutions of 1920x1200 and lower (I will be using a res of 1920x1080) the 570 seems to perform better most of the times. However I still haven't made my final decition and I could change my mind since the 6970 is supposed to run cooler and have almost the same performance as the 570 at 1080p res.
 
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The non reference 6970's are a LOT quieter and cooler. The reference models use a unique fan which has potential to cool more, but are a lot noisier. In order to combat the noise, they use lower fan speeds which let it get hotter. As long as you don't get a reference model, the 6970 should be better, in terms of heat and noise, than the 570.

For example: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6970_Lightning/22.html
 
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Hmmm, I wonder if that same logic might also apply to a non-reference GTX 570? But actually, the reference vapor chamber design on the GTX 570 is excellent, very quiet, very effective, and vents all of its heat ouside the case, unlike most non-reference fans.
 
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So... what the hell!!!
Since performance is almost the same @ a res of 1920x1080 (slightly better for the gtx570 running the games I would most likely play) I'm also taking in consideration noise level and temperature. But some of you say some models of the the gtx run cooler and quieter and the others say the same about the 6970, so I will narrow it down to this, between this two which one is all around better:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130595&cm_re=570-_-14-130-595-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915&cm_re=6970-_-14-102-915-_-Product

Thanks :)
 
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Reference design vs. reference design, the numbers from Guru3d are in effect. The GTX 570 will run cooler and quieter and the EVGA Superclock with a factory overclock will run even faster than shown in the stock card benchmarks thus far. EVGA uses higher quality chips for their Superclocked series, and the card also comes with a lifetime warranty (vs. 2 years on the Sapphire). As an added bonus, you get PhysX and Nvidia drivers. It looks like we have a winner!

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"Conclusion
From the moment it launched, we have been impressed by the GTX 570 and the release of AMD’s competing HD 6900-series has done nothing to dim our enthusiasm over NVIDIA’s well priced GF110 derivative. It offers high end performance at an extremely accessible price point and when overclocked this $350 card can compete against the GTX 580; a product with a $150 premium.

What EVGA has done is once again taken a winning formula and has made it better in literally every way possible. The increase in clock speeds is higher than we have come to expect from previous Superclocked editions which is definitely a step in the right direction. The associated performance bump won’t turn any heads, nor will it noticeably change in-game experiences but when paired up with a lifetime warranty, the $20 difference between this card and plain Jane reference versions is money well spent."
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/39912-evga-geforce-gtx-570-superclocked-review-21.html

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"In our Radeon HD 6970 review, we saw a technical tie between the Radeon HD 6970 and the standard GeForce GTX 570: from the six programs we ran, one was faster on three of them and the other was faster on the other three. The overclocking present in the EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked, although relatively small, helped to point the tip of the scale in favor of this model from EVGA.

The EVGA GeForce GTX 570 and the Radeon HD 6970 achieve similar performance on Call of Duty 4, Aliens vs. Predator and 3DMark 11 (sometimes one was a little bit faster, sometimes the other, but the difference was not significant). However, on the other three games, the EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked presented a huge advantage: up to 21% faster on Crysis Warhead, up to 28% faster on Far Cry 2, and up to 55% faster on Lost Planet 2.

Costing exactly the same thing than the Radeon HD 6970, the EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked is the video card you should buy if you have USD 370 to spend, being a better option than the standard GeForce GTX 570.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-570-Superclocked-Video-Card-Review/1153/12
 
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