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Best Phenom II processor for under $100?

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November 21, 2011 5:08:44 PM

Which one is the best, I'm getting a good-quality GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 motherboard, with 8+1 phase VRM and good features. I also will be getting a Hyper 212+, so I'm looking for the best overclocking experience as will. I'm also looking forward to unlocking cores as well.


Which one? I could get a Phenom II x2 555 and unlock it, then overclock it, or get a Phenom II x4 830 OEM, just processor, nothing else, and overclock it.

Or anything else that might be good. Thoughts?

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November 21, 2011 5:14:16 PM

Black friday and cyber monday are days away. If you can get the 830 for $49.99 at microcenter, then that's a better choice. Depends on the price.
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November 21, 2011 10:49:01 PM

Yeah, If you cant get the 955BE for $100 on black friday then the 830 is your best bet.
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November 21, 2011 10:59:30 PM

If it's the CPU I'm thinking of, the 830 is a PhII in name only. It's a rebaged Athlon II. Meaning no L3 cache.
November 22, 2011 10:40:25 AM

4745454b said:
If it's the CPU I'm thinking of, the 830 is a PhII in name only. It's a rebaged Athlon II. Meaning no L3 cache.


You are thinking of the x4 840. The 830 from what I have read is just a renamed x4 925.
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November 22, 2011 11:45:13 AM

Wasn't sure, thought it was worth mentioning. 840 bad, 830 good?
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November 22, 2011 12:35:53 PM

The 840 is available for $10 more at Micro Center and it comes with a heat sink and fan (afaik the 830 doesnt) and it is also clocked higher so without OCing it performs at least 10% better.

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Wasn't sure, thought it was worth mentioning. 840 bad, 830 good?


For people that aren't interested in OCing, the 840 performs bare minimum 10% better. That is roughly 99.9% of people that own computers.

The OP said they were interested in OCing, so the 830 *may* be slightly better than the 840, and they said they were considering getting a Hyper 212 which *may* reduce the need for a heat sink in the box, but to just say that one is bad and the other is good would be flat out wrong. In this one corner case, the 830 may win out, but such blanket statements can't be made based on it.
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November 22, 2011 12:47:20 PM

Reason being? When OCing, I would think the presence of L3 cache would be better then not. Stock would be a different matter.
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November 22, 2011 2:10:03 PM

In order to avoid the following in the future, you may want to quote things you are quoting:

The 840 is available for $10 more at Micro Center

Reason being: Because it is

and it comes with a heat sink and fan

Reason being: Because I am pretty sure it does

(afaik the 830 doesnt)

Reason being: because I am pretty sure it doesn't

and it is also clocked higher

Reason being: because it is x16 instead of x14

so without OCing it performs at least 10% better.

Reason being: because the benchmark websites say it does

For people that aren't interested in OCing,

Reason being: because most don't engage in this

the 840 performs bare minimum 10% better.

Reason being: as mentioned before, benchmark testing

That is roughly 99.9% of people that own computers.

Reason being: because it can be a difficult process and most don't care that much

The OP said they were interested in OCing,

Reason being: Because that is what they said

so the 830 *may* be slightly better than the 840,

Reason being: if it is better, it is because of the lack of L3 hurts more than the gain from a different architecture

and they said they were considering getting a Hyper 212

Reason being: because they said it and because the Hyper 212 is good?

which *may* reduce the need for a heat sink in the box,

Reason being: extra heat sinks never hurt anybody, but if there is no need for a spare and no desire to sell it, it may not be worth having around

but to just say that one is bad and the other is good would be flat out wrong.

Reason being: Because it really is bad to make blanket statements that only apply to the 1% cases instead of 99% of the cases

In this one corner case, the 830 may win out,

Reason being: because the OP is in an exceptional case

but such blanket statements can't be made based on it.

Reason being: Because they mislead people.
November 22, 2011 4:59:34 PM

Raiddinn said:
The 840 is available for $10 more at Micro Center and it comes with a heat sink and fan (afaik the 830 doesnt) and it is also clocked higher so without OCing it performs at least 10% better.



For people that aren't interested in OCing, the 840 performs bare minimum 10% better. That is roughly 99.9% of people that own computers.

The OP said they were interested in OCing, so the 830 *may* be slightly better than the 840, and they said they were considering getting a Hyper 212 which *may* reduce the need for a heat sink in the box, but to just say that one is bad and the other is good would be flat out wrong. In this one corner case, the 830 may win out, but such blanket statements can't be made based on it.


Dude, do you not remember that other post where you said the 830 was "a big step down" from the 840? So much for blanket statements...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...
Hopefully that helps refresh your memory. It seems you are slightly biased towards the 840 since apparently you own one. Lets just focus on the best deal for the OP. Right now the 830 is only 80 bucks on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 22, 2011 10:10:44 PM

From a gaming perspective the 840 is a step down from an 830 iirc. Go check benchmarks: since the 830 is a renamed 925 you can see the difference here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Phenom_II_X4_840...

note: the slower 830 consistantly beats the faster 840 so if both were OC'd to the same point the 830 would be a clear winner in this segment.
November 22, 2011 10:25:31 PM

popatim said:
From a gaming perspective the 840 is a step down from an 830 iirc. Go check benchmarks: since the 830 is a renamed 925 you can see the difference here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Phenom_II_X4_840...

note: the slower 830 consistantly beats the faster 840 so if both were OC'd to the same point the 830 would be a clear winner in this segment.



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November 23, 2011 1:23:46 AM

Those benchmarks show a slight edge for the 830/925, whereas ones like http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/pc-benchmarks/ show a greater than 10% edge for the 840.

I am willing to call it a wash unOCd and a win for the 830 OCd.

I am unwilling to accept the blanket statement "840 bad, 830 good" though.
November 23, 2011 1:39:52 AM

Raiddinn said:
Those benchmarks show a slight edge for the 830/925, whereas ones like http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/pc-benchmarks/ show a greater than 10% edge for the 840.

I am willing to call it a wash unOCd and a win for the 830 OCd.

I am unwilling to accept the blanket statement "840 bad, 830 good" though.


Come on man, that benchmark is like using Passmark to say you CPU is better than another (passmark says the fx-4100 is better than the Phenom 965be... And I am pretty sure that is not even close to true). At least the other one had multiple games that showed the lower clocked 830 had the advantage... Im not saying the 840 is bad, but the 830 is a way better deal, since it is cheaper and performs better.
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November 23, 2011 2:55:19 AM

Seeing as I was the one who made the offending statement...

Quote:
840 bad, 830 good?


Do you see the ? That means question. I didn't make a statement of fact, I was confirming/asking if I had it right.
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