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August 25, 2011 3:46:56 PM

Hi All.

I am setting up a 1500$ build for a new gaming pc. This is what I have so far-

Seagate 1TB HDD- $79.99
EVGA Superclocked GTX 580- $489.99
(Combo Deal) Corsair 650D + Corsair HX 850W PSU- $334.98
(Combo Deal) i5 2500k + Gigabyte GA-P67-UD4-B3- $364.98
Corsair H80- $91.99

Total- $1,375.38

Now, I realize there is no RAM in the build. What I need to know is whether I should make some cheaper choices in the build to downgrade the price so I can get 8GB's of RAM and an SSD, or should I spring for 16GB's of ram, which is in my budget. The SSD i think should be at least 60GB's if not 90GB's.

Thanks for the help in advance!

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August 25, 2011 3:49:40 PM

You should get 8 gigs of RAM and an SSD.
16GB's is over kill. 8 GB's is a perfect amount, and you really do not need anything over that.
An SSD would be a better choice. You can put your windows on that, and some games :)  Get an SSD with around 120 GB's and your fine. best of luck
August 25, 2011 3:52:03 PM

justjohn5 said:
You should get 8 gigs of RAM and an SSD.
16GB's is over kill. 8 GB's is a perfect amount, and you really do not need anything over that.
An SSD would be a better choice. You can put your windows on that, and some games :)  Get an SSD with around 120 GB's and your fine. best of luck


Okay, but then the issue becomes price. 8 gigs of ram, plus a 120GB SSD will exceed my budget of 1500$.
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August 25, 2011 4:00:50 PM

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For one, get a samsung spinpoint f3 1tb, that cuts off $10

See if you live near a microcenter www.microcenter.com

they have gg deals on mobo/cpus so you can get your i5 2500k for like $180 if you can pick it up from one of their stores >_<


I do infact live by one :D 

I will set up a cart and update it when I am done.
August 25, 2011 4:00:56 PM

The SSD makes soooo much diffrence I went from a 4 drive raid 0 hard drives to a singe gen 2 sata 2 ssd and everything is instant office loads in 1 second windows 15 seconds ect. it will be the single biggest speed increase I have seen in a computer upgrade.

Thently
a b B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 6:28:17 PM

you know about the constant maintainance needed for water cooler to avoid faluire right? if its not properly maintained it could lead to disaster (coolant all over your components).
August 25, 2011 7:20:21 PM

Even the closed loop systems like the H80?
Can you then recommend me a good air cooler that will fit in my case and not make it sound like a jet taking off?
I am interested in overclocking the CPU as well.
August 25, 2011 7:51:53 PM

Lots of people seem to like the hyper 212 cooler. The specs rate about the same as with the v8 cooler, but make sure your case is big enough to fit them first. Your power supply is overkill and you may save some money there, but i see you are getting it in a bundle look around. You may be able to get a slightly cheaper HD. Also the link below has your card for 399 its new, open box though. I have seen them as low as $466. PS don't forget to figure in shipping costs.

http://www.mobilepc.com/Electronics/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-58...
August 25, 2011 7:58:56 PM

vigilante212 said:
Lots of people seem to like the hyper 212 cooler. The specs rate about the same as with the v8 cooler, but make sure your case is big enough to fit them first. Your power supply is overkill and you may save some money there, but i see you are getting it in a bundle look around. You may be able to get a slightly cheaper HD. Also the link below has your card for 399 its new, open box though. I have seen them as low as $466. PS don't forget to figure in shipping costs.

http://www.mobilepc.com/Electronics/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-58...


Thanks for the help, but the 580 there is out of stock. Hmm, I was looking for something more high end on the cooler, I'd like to try and get my i5 to at least 4.5 GHz (5.0 is my dream goal).

And the final cost does include shipping.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 8:02:56 PM

You only need 4 GB RAM for gaming. 8 GB will not assist your gaming but it is to small to be useful for RAM Drive and Video Editing especially HD Video Editing. IMHO the best way to go is either have 4 GB RAM or 16 GB RAM. I put 16 GB in my machine and it used every MB of it caching up the HD files I was working on. When it finally ran out of RAM to cache in the PC started Hard Faulting and performance dropped accordingly.

Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 8:06:29 PM

your casing and psu are WAY TOO EXPANSIVE....

go to a 450W psu, around 90$
and a antec 400 or whatever its called for 50$
August 25, 2011 8:08:24 PM

I disagree, a 450w psu is way low for my system.
Second, I am aware of the price of the case, and I believe that the pro's outweigh it.
In short, I want the case, haha.
August 25, 2011 9:00:06 PM

You can pick up OCZ Agility 3's at a pretty solid price now (I saw a 60 for 69 bucks at newegg on special) I personally own the 120 and I say that so long as you don't have issues it works great. (sounds stupid but it makes sense if you know the stories surrounding the drive) Basically if it works on your system without doing weird retarded *** it's a great drive for a solid price, If it does do weird stuff, RMA that bad boy, or tinker with flashing firmware, maybe you'll find a revision that works.

That said, 16 GB won't do jack for you over 8 GB unless you're using some pretty specialized programs that can recognize that much RAM. Hell, I Have 4 Gb in my system and I've never been wanting for more RAM. Until we see programs designed specifically for 64 bit OS, and not spun off from a 32 bit code we won't have any use for near that much RAM.

EDIT: Ignore DoctorPink's remarks, you can NEVER overdo the PSU, it's the most important part of the computer IMHO.

As for the case, get whichever one you want. It's your money and it's not like any case is going to increase performance, but it will affect the experience of assembling and maintaining your computer, plus if it looks nice that's always good.
a c 136 B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 9:07:56 PM

No one ,except photo editors using Adobe CS5, needs 16 gig of RAM

Even 8 is overkill , since programs are 32 bit and cant use anywhere near that amount .
Gamers dont need more system RAM than the total memory on their graphics cards . More than that is not used
a b B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 9:25:42 PM

It is not true that 16 GB of RAM cannot be used. It is true that "Programs" for the most part will not use anywhere that much, even 64 bit programs. It is the use of caching that the advantage is found. Video Editing in HD is very taxing on the system. When I load up Corel X4 and require it to bookmark several GB of HD Video footage 4 GB RAM was not enough. When I boosted the RAM to 16 GB I found a significant increase in the PC"s ability to handle large HD files. The program ended up using all 16 GB of RAM to cache and when it ran out performance dropped as the system started hard faulting.

The point I am making is this. 4 GB is more than enough for a Gamer. 8 GB is a waste plain and simple. 8 GB is not enough to employ RAM Drive (very useful) or to cache up enough data for HD editing. 16 GB however is. So if you are going to game get 4 GB. If you want to Video Edit especially in HD then get 16 GB. Avoid 8 GB. 8 GB is to much for gaming and not enough for Video Editing.

August 25, 2011 10:00:48 PM

Okay, thanks for the suggestions. Here is the new build-

From Microcenter, In Store pick up-

Intel Core i5 2500k-$179.99
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3-$149.99

SUBTOTAL: $358.46

From NewEgg-

EVGA Superclocked GTX 580- $489.99
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB- $57.99
Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GB-$224.99
(Combo Deal)-Corsair Obsidian Series 650D and CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850-$289.98
Corsair H80- $91.99

SUBTOTAL: $1,154.94

Grand Total: $1,513.40

Thoughts? I see that Wamphryi suggested going for 4 gb of RAM instead of 8. I still feel 4 is too low, does the processor support tri-channel? Maybe i can go in the middle and get 6GB worth of RAM? Plus doesn't ram increase the speed of your system?

EDIT: I goofed and forgot the HDD,
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB- $49.99
SSD: Corsair Force CSSD-F 115GB- $159.99

FINAL Grand Total: $1,498.39
August 25, 2011 10:32:27 PM

To my knowledge the only processors that support triple channel ram are the 1366s. If you get an 1155 (sandy bridge) like the 2500k you won't get that benifit.

The idea of walking into a computer store and meeting a salesman frothing at the mouth screaming MORE RAM, IT NEEDS MORE RAM is dead and gone. This was true for a long time as the ram was the bottleneck, but as time has passed the silicon has caught up with the rest of the PC. It's now the HDD that is the bottleneck. Either way RAM is dirt cheap and you won't be hurting from the extra 20 bucks between a 4 and an 8 gig kit. Plain and simple, programs don't know how to use that sort of overhead. In my understanding most are still made for the 32 bit market for compatibility, then adjusted to 64 bit, crippling it in a way. Think of when Valve came out with 64 bit HL2. Do you think they built a new game from the ground up? It's far cheaper to edit code than write a whole new program.

The only way you'll be getting a true 64 bit program is if there isn't a 32 bit version of that same program, and I can't think of any program where this is the truth.
a c 136 B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 10:35:26 PM

You cant use triple channel . So 4 0r 8 gig of RAM in dual channel

Too little RAM slows your system , but 4 gig is not too little for gaming .
August 25, 2011 10:47:25 PM

Thanks for the help all.

ANybody have any experiece with either the Case or the H80 cooler? Will the cooler fit in a mid tower case?
August 25, 2011 10:49:56 PM

coolers are usually more about the distance from the board to the case door (width), which isn't any different in an mid ATX or a full ATX, as that's only height and a little bit of length. IMHO you should be fine.

The bulk of a liquid cooler is outside the case in the form of a radiator anyways. You should be more worried about under desk space or the like.
August 25, 2011 10:51:35 PM

If you are in a pinch to upgrade something else, I found this SSD, it is a Corsair and it is only 5 GB less than the one you are getting, but it is ~$50 less, although I am not sure about the performance difference.

115GB - $170 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EDIT - It looks like the $225 SSD is much faster, so I guess it is up to you if you want performance or value
a c 136 B Homebuilt system
August 25, 2011 10:52:14 PM

fiestaforesta said:
Thanks for the help all.

ANybody have any experiece with either the Case or the H80 cooler? Will the cooler fit in a mid tower case?



The fan and radiator sit outside the back of the case usually . There will be plenty of room inside .
Actually water cooling is over kill for a such a cool processor as a sandy bridge . People are getting huge overclocks on the tsock cooler , and massive oc's on $30 mid range units like the hyper 212 .
August 25, 2011 11:10:34 PM

I am not a big believer in overclocked GPUs. I would go with the cheaper PNY card and just manually overclock it myself.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It makes it easier if you decide to SLI in the future as well since you won't have to worry about getting the exact same overclocked card. The closed box cooling system is a good choice with that case (no side fan) especially if you decide to get another 580 down the road which the GPU will be more than capable of handling.
At the prices of RAM right now why not get 8 gbs? Especially with a 1500 dollar budget. All just opinions though as your final build looks solid. Everything from this point is just nit picking. You should be very happy regardless of your 1500 dollar purchase.
August 25, 2011 11:28:18 PM

side fans are overrated anyways, they throw off the continuity of airflow from the front to the back of the PC.
August 25, 2011 11:35:36 PM

internetlad said:
side fans are overrated anyways, they throw off the continuity of airflow from the front to the back of the PC.


True but it's always nice having a little air moving between 2 tightly packed GPUs.
August 26, 2011 12:06:51 AM

For the extra 30$ I think I'll go for the superclocked one. Plus, this being my first rig, I don't know much about overclocking gpu's.
August 26, 2011 3:54:42 PM

fiestaforesta said:
For the extra 30$ I think I'll go for the superclocked one. Plus, this being my first rig, I don't know much about overclocking gpu's.


Literally as easy as clicking a button (at least in ATI catalyst). You unlock the GPU with a button shaped like a key, then you press a button that looks like a tachometer and it instantly stress tests the GPU and determines an overclock.
August 26, 2011 5:47:04 PM

Consider going with the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3
Its 104.99 after rebate when you bundle it with the 2500k. I have it and it works great, it also includes a SLI bridge.

As outlander said, go with a cooler master hyper 212+ for the CPU cooler. The best price i could ever find was at Frys.com for 24.99

August 26, 2011 6:26:39 PM

nurotikpanda said:
The best price i could ever find was at Frys.com for 24.99



What the hell, there's a Frys.com? I thought it was just free standing stores!

and i've been shopping at newegg like a rube.
August 30, 2012 2:04:17 PM

Picking the power supply that matches your CPU and motherboard is primary. Intel non K model and a pair of high power video cards something like Visontek 1000 is fine,,, if you have room to tuck the unused arms of the octopus away. Overclock the CPU and some thing like Antec neo 550 HE will do better overclocking the CPU and run a single High power video card than a higher power model The difference is the 3V, 5v and 12v supply to the motherboard may deliver less with the 1000 supply and more with lower watt supply. Beware that a 85% efficient 950 watt supply may only be that efficient if powered by 220 volts and only 80% efficient and 700 watts if powered 110 volts. Sometimes the only way to tell is after you physically look at the side panel of the supply. My olde Neo is still pushing a power hungry, overclocked at 1000Mhz more than base clock, 6 core Thuban + OC'd GTX 460. Cooling it all, well that's another story.
August 30, 2012 3:30:35 PM

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