Raiddinn :
Everyone here will tell you just not to get either one.
They will tell you its cheaper to just build the computer yourself (for a low end PC its a lie).
However, they will also point out to the fact that you will at least get specifics tailored to your actual needs and a guaranteed upgrade path of some sort or other (this does have some value).
I would tend to agree with the others in this regard. I wouldn't get either one of those systems unless you are very intimidated about trying to work with hardware yourself. Even then I would try to convince you that its no big deal and nothing to be worried about.
If you really want to stick with one of those two choices, I guess I would go with the last one. Keep in mind I don't know very much about the first one, though.
If you tell me the budget you have in mind and what you want to accomplish with the PC, I can probably guide you towards a parts list that will accomplish the objectives. Either that or at least tell you if its not feasible, in which case you would just have to take one of those PCs anyway.
My budget is 170-185 euro.
I sell my old pentium d 925 presler 3.0 ghz, 2 gb ddr2, hd4350, which was hp dc7700 sff..it was pretty old but i run on it most games..like mafia 2, gta 4 with some lag, cod mw 2 maxed without lag, cod mw 3 on low everything, crysis 2 low, nba 2k12 medium.....
It was pretty nice pc, but the mobo was btx format, and that was bad part ans it was unupgradablle ( psu, low profile graphics, btx mobo and case )...
Im not a gamer, i just wanna to relax after job, with some games... gameplay is most important thing in gaming 4 me, not the graphics, so i would be fine playing new games on low settings...
If i buy hp dc 7900 sff ( which is btx to but with core 2 duo e7500-e8400) only thing that i would upgrade is ram memory and put some low end graphic card like hd6450..
Or to go 4 Maxdata tower core 2 duo e4500 2.20 ATX
My dillema is
Hpd dc 7900 is btx but stronger pc
Maxdata tower is atx but not stronger as the first one
ATX=BTX , which format is important ?