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September 1, 2011 3:58:27 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: September, willing to wait as late as mid-October.

Budget Range: $3000 hard limit after rebates, $2500 soft-limit before software. Can go over $2500 if it is really worth it.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Watching Movies, Surfing the Internet

Parts Not Required: Everything Required.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: U.S.A.

Parts Preferences:

ORDERED
Case: $190 Coolermaster HAF X - Blue Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Power Supply: $280 Antec High Current Pro HCP-1200 1200W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard: $190 ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU: $315 Intel i7-2600k 3.4GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Fan: $28 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: 2x $60 G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Burner: $21 ASUS 24X DVD Burner (SATA) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
O.S.: $100 Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard: $140 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth Edition http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/prod...
Storage Drive: 2x $50 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Performance Drive: Kingston HyperX SATA3 SSD 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor: Acer HN274H 27" 3D LCD Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Video Card: EVGA GTX 580 Superclocked http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Are there any other fans I should purchase with the HAF X case, and should I get a thermal compound to use with the CPU?

I still need to figure out a mouse but I have an old mouse that I can use for now... so that is not a pressing concern. Are there any other parts that I should consider aside from the others above?


Overclocking: Yes, but only as far as it runs stable with air cooling and that can be easily done. I am a novice at overclocking.

SLI or Crossfire: Preferably not SLI/Crossfire, but with a card that can run this years games solidly, and later add in a 2nd or 3rd when I need the power later on. Definitely with support for it build into the card, motherboard, and powersupply.

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050, 1920x1080, or 1920x1200.

Additional Comments:
Building it primarily to play Guild Wars 2, Skyrim, Diablo 3, Rage, Battlefield 3, and World of Warcraft. I want it to play these games at solid frame rates on max settings out of the gate. And I want the potential of it to be expandable... the system being ready for me to do SLI/Crossfire with one or two additional cards to boost the graphics performance, or adding another monitor or two later on. I want reliable and good components that will work well together. Running quietly and coolly would be a bonus. Performing well without a ton of tweaks (a few easy ones are fine) would be especially nice. The OS will be Windows 7, but I am unsure which version of Windows 7 I should purchase.
September 1, 2011 4:34:32 AM

life626 said:
Here's a good start if you haven't looked at it. It totals up to just under $2000 but you could easily switch some parts around. Like two GTX 580 in SLI. And another 2x4gb set of ram.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/system-builder-gami...

Also a good monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



For the games I listed and any games coming out in 2011, a single 580 should be more than enough, correct?

Also for a monitor leaning toward a 3D one... this is what I have been looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 1, 2011 4:50:52 AM

i7 2600K - $315
ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 - $130
G.SKILL RipjawsX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $100
ASUS GeForce GTX 590 (Fermi) 3072MB 768-bit GDDR5 - $750
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60
Optical Drive : Asus 24x DVD R/W - $20
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower - $140
CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ - $30
Antec High Current Pro HCP-1200 1200W - $220
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $170

Total : $1835 after rebates

Use the remaining money to get Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, OS etc.
September 1, 2011 5:03:30 AM

008Rohit said:
i7 2600K - $315
ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 - $130
G.SKILL RipjawsX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $100
ASUS GeForce GTX 590 (Fermi) 3072MB 768-bit GDDR5 - $750
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60
Optical Drive : Asus 24x DVD R/W - $20
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower - $140
CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ - $30
Antec High Current Pro HCP-1200 1200W - $220
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $170

Total : $1835 after rebates

Use the remaining money to get Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, OS etc.


Thanks, that helps a lot with a few of my questions, leaning toward the GTX 590 now. And doing the Extreme4 board instead.

Why the HAF 932 over the HAF X out of curiosity?

And for the RAM, do I need to get a '16GB Kit' or would two 8GB kit (2 x 4 GB) work fine for the G.Skill?
September 1, 2011 5:10:58 AM

What extra features does the Extreme4 have? one more PCIe 2.0 @ x4? Thats useless.

1. I didnt see the HAF X. It looks better. Get it.
2. Yah, the invidual chips are same.
September 1, 2011 5:12:43 AM

life626 said:
As far as games go, 8GB is all you will need. Spending a little extra and get faster 8GB set would benefit you for games more than 16GBs would.


In that case may go with just 8GB. But do 2 x 4 GB so I could upgrade the ram relatively painlessly as long as it was the same type. What would the best cost/speed RAM be for gaming in that in the 2 x 4 GB range? Or lowest latency.

In addition: Is there any notable difference between the EVGA GTX590 and the ASUS GTX590? (asking since the ASUS one is presently sold out. I can wait if the ASUS one is better.)
September 1, 2011 5:36:41 AM

Asus has a pretty nice fan base EVGA cards are great there are just some people who buy ASUS every time they can my self included there's no differences in performance or at least a barely measurable one.
September 1, 2011 5:37:25 AM

Quote:
What extra features does the Extreme4 have? one more PCIe 2.0 @ x4? Thats useless.


There is not floppy connection on the Extreme 3 and the it uses Realtek LAN and the extreme 4 has Broadcom BCM57781 LAN which is slighty better. It also has two more SATA3 6.0Gb/s ports via the Marvel controller and an additional PCIe slot so it supports 3-way cross-fire. And the Extreme 3 it has a display port (no use if you using a dedicated graphics card).

My recomendation: ASRock Extreme 4 Gen 3 as mentioned above.

Ripjaws-X 2x4GB 1600 is perfectly adequate, you can go faster but your not going to get any perceivable difference when gaming.

The HAF-X is a bigger and better case but its also significantly more expensive. The HAF-X is brilliant, would recommend it to just about anyone but to be honest you don't need such a case for this build. so its up to personal preference there.

If you can even find one, I wouldn't recommend a 590, if you've already decided on Nvidia, just get a 580 and save the money to get another one if you feel you need it in the future.

[Edit] The only difference is the brand. Allot of people just go ASUS because it is more recognised and trusted, given they are the same price on newegg for some reason then I would take the ASUS too :) 
September 1, 2011 5:43:46 AM

Ninja Pants said:
Quote:
What extra features does the Extreme4 have? one more PCIe 2.0 @ x4? Thats useless.


There is not floppy connection on the Extreme 3 and the it uses Realtek LAN and the extreme 4 has Broadcom BCM57781 LAN which is slighty better. It also has two more SATA3 6.0Gb/s ports via the Marvel controller and an additional PCIe slot so it supports 3-way cross-fire. And the Extreme 3 it has a display port (no use if you using a dedicated graphics card).

My recomendation: ASRock Extreme 4 Gen 3 as mentioned above.

Ripjaws-X 2x4GB 1600 is perfectly adequate, you can go faster but your not going to get any perceivable difference when gaming.

The HAF-X is a bigger and better case but its also significantly more expensive. The HAF-X is brilliant, would recommend it to just about anyone but to be honest you don't need such a case for this build. so its up to personal preference there.

If you can even find one, I wouldn't recommend a 590, if you've already decided on Nvidia, just get a 580 and save the money to get another one if you feel you need it in the future.


Thanks on all of that. I was initially planning to get one of the nicer 580s. Since it should be able to handle most anything and then picking up another later on (1-2 years down the road) and doing SLI. Perhaps a year or two after that tossing a third one into the mix.

You can do 2 590s for quad-sli, but not three. But You can do three 580s (or 4 if you have the PCIe for it, correct?). Since I will be starting with 1 card and doing 3D. Still a bit split on this as I hear folk going for either side. As for nVIDIA vs ATI... I like how nVIDIA does their 3D a bit better though both are pretty close in my mind.
September 1, 2011 5:43:55 AM

008Rohit said:
What extra features does the Extreme4 have? one more PCIe 2.0 @ x4? Thats useless.

1. I didnt see the HAF X. It looks better. Get it.
2. Yah, the invidual chips are same.


HAF X has same option as HAF 932. But for a fraction of the price. If you compare both cases in person side by side, they are only slightly differnt. even the size.
September 1, 2011 5:46:59 AM

008Rohit said:
What extra features does the Extreme4 have? one more PCIe 2.0 @ x4? Thats useless.

1. I didnt see the HAF X. It looks better. Get it.
2. Yah, the invidual chips are same.


It's just the higher model and it's the one tomshardware recommended in there $2000 build. I looked at the specs and they are pretty much the same. The extreme4 comes with some cables, more 6gb/sec SATS slots, and a few extras the extreme3 doesn't have.



008Rohit said:
In that case may go with just 8GB. But do 2 x 4 GB so I could upgrade the ram relatively painlessly as long as it was the same type. What would the best cost/speed RAM be for gaming in that in the 2 x 4 GB range? Or lowest latency.

In addition: Is there any notable difference between the EVGA GTX590 and the ASUS GTX590? (asking since the ASUS one is presently sold out. I can wait if the ASUS one is better.)


Yes if you upgraded with the same ram it would be fine.

I think both ASUS or EVGA are good, if there is a better warrant on one of them that would tip it for me.

The faster ram is actually slightly less expensive because of the promo code. Both are designed for the Z/P67 boards also.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Vs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-...
September 1, 2011 6:00:47 AM

Anything over 1600Mhz is useless. You'll not be able to find the difference in performance atleast.

Buy a GTX 590 and you'll be fine with it for the next 3-5 years. No need of SLI, no nothing!

Getting 16GBs of RAM will make the build more future proof.
September 1, 2011 6:02:32 AM

Oh, and EVGA cards are good ones. They sold out more GTX 560Ti's than Asus. You can go with them.
September 1, 2011 6:35:56 AM

Quote:
A HD 6990 might be better but the only question I have it is how well it would do 3D gaming. Does anyone know the answer to this?


The 6990 is imho the better card, however if you want 3D gaming the Nvidia solution is simply much better than AMDs HD3D.
September 1, 2011 6:41:29 AM

GTX 590 sold out more than HD 6990 for a reason!
September 1, 2011 7:07:40 AM

Ninja Pants said:
Quote:
A HD 6990 might be better but the only question I have it is how well it would do 3D gaming. Does anyone know the answer to this?


The 6990 is imho the better card, however if you want 3D gaming the Nvidia solution is simply much better than AMDs HD3D.

The 6990 looked better at release than the 590 did, and of course they both got reviewed the day after on the drivers that were out at the time. The 590 has always been a little better on paper, and now is in real life as well.
September 1, 2011 8:10:23 AM

Quote:
GTX 590 sold out more than HD 6990 for a reason!


What does that mean? By your logic I could also assume you are also an Apple fanboi, quantity equals quality? It sells allot therefore it must be best... I could also make a stupid comment, based on your logic, that you can still buy a 590 (here anyway cant talk for the US) whereas 6990 is basically unobtainable, everywhere is sold out... I don't want to get involved in one of these petty circular arguments there is enough red v green rubbish on these forums as is, if you have a preference good for you, unless you have a constructive argument or advice to contribute to this thread keep it to yourself. I consciously wrote IMHO beforehand in an attempt to avoid any idiocy in response, clearly I failed.

I end it there. Good luck with the build Sloshed, hope we have (excluding this post) been of help.

[Edit] and for the record didn't I advise the 590 over the 6990 in this instance anyway...
September 1, 2011 7:15:39 PM

Heavily edited original post with links and more questions.

REREAD ORIGINAL POST AT: 'Parts Preferences'
September 1, 2011 7:52:03 PM

As far as storage goes(HDD), what is important to you? Speed? Reliability? Cost? I don't know too much about SSDs, so I'll stay out of that. GTX 580s are great, they're about in line with the 590 value-wise, so buy with confidence! Your motherboard is indeed Quad-SLI capable, though I'd stop at Tri-SLI with the PSU you have. You could run 4 at stock settings, but 3x heavily overclocked would be a much better value.
September 1, 2011 8:12:28 PM

cuecuemore said:
As far as storage goes(HDD), what is important to you? Speed? Reliability? Cost? I don't know too much about SSDs, so I'll stay out of that. GTX 580s are great, they're about in line with the 590 value-wise, so buy with confidence! Your motherboard is indeed Quad-SLI capable, though I'd stop at Tri-SLI with the PSU you have. You could run 4 at stock settings, but 3x heavily overclocked would be a much better value.


The SSD will have the heavy stuff on it so having a burning fast storage drive is not important. I suppose 'not-slow' would be fine. Reliability is very important and storage size. It will be holding a lot of videos, pictures, etc. I may opt for more HDDs later if I end up needing more storage so nothing larger than 3TB. May use them in hot-swappable drives eventually. Cost... not sure what they would run but anything under $200. Though spending a ton on a HDD for a small gain is something I'd not want to do.

Which 580 cards are doing nice (and SLI well?). Still having difficulty looking between the 580s and 590s... the choices >.< Would do 590 but... availability is hurting it for me.
September 1, 2011 9:08:15 PM

Sloshed said:


NOT YET ORDERED ($1500 left in budget for 'hard limit')
Performance Drive: ~120GB SSD. OCZ Vortex 3 any good? <-- Need advice please!
Audio Card: What is a good audio card? Something that can do 5.1 would be nice and that is good for games. <-- Need advice please!
Speakers: What are some good (for gaming) speakers that would go well with a sound card? <-- Need advice please!
Monitor: 24-27" Monitor, preferably supports NVIDIA 3D <-- Need advice please!
Video Card: Preferably NVIDIA, 590 is sold out most places, suggestions on where to get or other options. Is 580 so bad and later doing dual/tri SLI? Can the motherboard I have do quad-580s someday? <-- Need advice please!


Performance Drive: The Vortex 3 is sweet, 120GB should be plenty.

Audio Card: I don't really know, all I have ever used is the built-in sound on my motherboard and that's always been perfectly suitable for what I need.

Speakers: I highly, highly, highly recommend the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 - you can get them direct from the source:
http://www.klipsch.com/

I don't know much about 3-D monitor setups so I think someone else will have to fill in on that one.

cuecuemore said:
Having no personal experience with GTX 580's I'd recommend what many people consider to be the most trusted model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For storage, I'd grab 1TB Spinpoints and just use as many as you need:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$50 apiece for the next 4 days! Should give you a little better value than one big drive.


$50 for a 1TB 7200 RPM hard drive is a freakin' steal!
September 1, 2011 10:18:25 PM

+1 to what Cuecuemore wrote.

The OCZ Vertex 3 is what I went with based on a good amount of research, then it arrived and lasted less than a week. That said a replacement arrived within 2 days and has been perfect since. Other popular alternatives are the Crucial M4 (a bit slower though) or the Patriot Wildfire (about $20 more).

Your motherboard has integrated 7.1 sound, how important is audio clarity to you? A discrete sound card in this instance would really depend on what peripheral device(s) you will be using, are the speakers (or headphones) of enough quality for the difference to be obvious to you.
September 1, 2011 10:32:54 PM

Ninja Pants said:
+1 to what Cuecuemore wrote.

The OCZ Vertex 3 is what I went with based on a good amount of research, then it arrived and lasted less than a week. That said a replacement arrived within 2 days and has been perfect since. Other popular alternatives are the Crucial M4 (a bit slower though) or the Patriot Wildfire (about $20 more).

Your motherboard has integrated 7.1 sound, how important is audio clarity to you? A discrete sound card in this instance would really depend on what peripheral device(s) you will be using, are the speakers (or headphones) of enough quality for the difference to be obvious to you.


If the on-board audio is enough I may skip the sound card then. I don't have speakers or headphones set up yet for it. Trying to figure out what would offer the best experience for gaming. Any advice for headset or speakers?

Still out on the 580 or 590 choice.

For the SSD:
OCZ Vertex 3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
vs
Kingston's Hyper X SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 1, 2011 11:25:58 PM

I have an e-ips panel from LG for my gaming it works great and has good picture and colour quality, 24 inch. Doesn't support 3D but I don't know if that's really a clincher.

IPS panels are supposed to show more video lag, bleeding and ghosting and the like but i've never noticed it on mine, and I generally play pretty fast paced FPS games, but i'm also not a videophile.

I'd say go with LG for the monitor, since no matter what you buy it's probably going to end up with an LG panel with a different bezel.
September 1, 2011 11:59:10 PM

life626 said:
As far as games go, 8GB is all you will need. Spending a little extra and get faster 8GB set would benefit you for games more than 16GBs would.

This is the best DDR3 $150 respectively, but you wouldn't need to upgrade it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Less expensive but still very good set. It's rated really well to. +1 $55 with promo code.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://ark.intel.com/products/52214/Intel-Core-i7-2600K...(8M-Cache-3_40-GHz)
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/302119-28-2600-memory...

click first link.... then read max support memory speeds. then read supported ram voltages. then click second link if you still dont believe.

now based on knowledge you can now recommend ram that will be a good recommendation. do some more research man.

to the original poster, you can buy ram that is faster then ddr 1333 but the cpu will automatically underclock it so buying faster ram is useless. also MAKE sure that the ram is rated for 1.5v as that is what the sandy bridge cpu are rated for.
September 2, 2011 1:11:15 AM

Edited again. Just the two questions in the parts preferences area to go!

Decided on the EVGA GTX580, if they come out with a new card in the next 90 days I may do their trade-up program to switch to that if the price is reasonable. I really liked their customer service, support, and warranty.
September 2, 2011 2:49:11 AM

FYI

Recommended settings for running SSD

From: http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-force-gt-120gb-ss...

"SSD life-span recommendations

Drive wearing on any SSD based drive will always be a ghost in the back of your mind. Here are some recommendations and tips for a long lifespan and optimal performance. Basically, what is needed is to eliminate the HDD optimizations within Vista (that cause lots of small file writes like superfetch and prefetch), things like background HDD defragmentation (that causes lots of small file write drive activity). In short (and this is for Vista and Windows 7):

Drive indexing disabled. (useless for SSD anyway, because access times are so low).
Prefetch disabled.
Superfetch disabled
Defrag disabled.
So make sure you disable prefetchers. Also, especially with Vista and windows 7, make sure you disable defragmentation on the SSD disk. You do not have a mechanical drive anymore so it is not needed, let alone you do not want defragmentation to wear out your drive, and Vista does this automatically when your PC is in idle (picking it's nose).

Don't get me wrong though, you could do a defrag without any problems, you just do not want that to be regular.

For Superfetch/prefetchers and other services, at command prompt just type: services

Use Windows 7 / Vista's services to disable them. To disable defragmentation:


Windows 7 and Vista Automatic Defrag:

1. Click Start
2. Click Control Panel
3. Select the Control Panel Home
4. Click System and Maintenance
5. Under the Administrative Tools section at the bottom, click Defragment your hard drive
6. You may need to grant permission to open the disk defragmenter
7. Click or unclick Run automatically (disable) depending if you want this feature enabled or disabled.
8. Click OK

OR alternatively at the Vista start prompt just type : dfrgui

Now over time your SSD will get a little fragmented but it's NAND flash and there's no mechanical head moving back and forth to access that data so just leave it disabled."

Again this it from http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-force-gt-120gb-ss...
September 2, 2011 3:05:57 AM

You're wasting money on the keyboard.
September 2, 2011 5:51:06 AM

Quote:
to the original poster, you can buy ram that is faster then ddr 1333 but the cpu will automatically underclock it so buying faster ram is useless.


This is true and also not true at the same time. It will underclock to 1333 as any ram faster than this is considered overclocked. However you can run faster ram on most mobo's, the one you've selected included, and it is therefore not useless. As the SB chipset uses multiplier over clocking so long as the base clock remains the same you can use 1600, 1833 etc RAM without any issues. Just change the settings in the BIOS.

The reason everyone has suggested 1600MHz is because beyond that there is no perceivable difference in performance when gaming so its not worth paying more for.
September 2, 2011 11:37:27 AM

Ninja Pants said:
Quote:
to the original poster, you can buy ram that is faster then ddr 1333 but the cpu will automatically underclock it so buying faster ram is useless.


This is true and also not true at the same time. It will underclock to 1333 as any ram faster than this is considered overclocked. However you can run faster ram on most mobo's, the one you've selected included, and it is therefore not useless. As the SB chipset uses multiplier over clocking so long as the base clock remains the same you can use 1600, 1833 etc RAM without any issues. Just change the settings in the BIOS.

The reason everyone has suggested 1600MHz is because beyond that there is no perceivable difference in performance when gaming so its not worth paying more for.



Thanks Ninja Pants (I have a pair of ninja pants!). Didn't think that memory speed was linked to the CPU on Sandybridge.

Went with 1833 mostly because it was a bit cheaper due to the instant rebate from the big sale they were doing.

Most of the parts now ordered and on their way.

00Rohit, as for the keyboard, I like the blackwidow ultimate. Tried out one a friend had awhile back. The -only- thing I didn't like about it was that it was a glossy finish and the keys were a bit loud. The new stealth edition is matte and with quieter keys ^.^ Yes I know it is overpriced, but I like it, so it is worth it to me.
September 2, 2011 3:09:58 PM

cbrunnem said:
http://ark.intel.com/products/52214/Intel-Core-i7-2600K...(8M-Cache-3_40-GHz)
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/302119-28-2600-memory...

click first link.... then read max support memory speeds. then read supported ram voltages. then click second link if you still dont believe.

now based on knowledge you can now recommend ram that will be a good recommendation. do some more research man.

to the original poster, you can buy ram that is faster then ddr 1333 but the cpu will automatically underclock it so buying faster ram is useless. also MAKE sure that the ram is rated for 1.5v as that is what the sandy bridge cpu are rated for.


Sorry you didn't like what I had suggested. The reason I did suggest that ram was first, it was rated higher so he could over clock with it, second was partially because it was designed for games and such. Faster ram is clearly not useless if you see what you use it for...
September 2, 2011 3:25:28 PM

Right! So, all the bits are shipping to me.

Now I have one last purchase to make... any recommendations on a computer desk for undr $200? That is cheap would fit a 27" monitor and ideally have a area specifically for the keyboard sepperate from where the monitor rests.

Thus far I am looking at desks like: http://www.computerdesks.com/computer-desks/corner-desk...


Black or silver coloring would be best. It doesn't need to be solid like a rock (won't be for that price) but something sturdy would be nice with some curve to it. A cheap seat would be good too that is comfortable.
September 2, 2011 3:32:31 PM

Sloshed said:
Are there any other fans I should purchase with the HAF X case, and should I get a thermal compound to use with the CPU?

I still need to figure out a mouse but I have an old mouse that I can use for now... so that is not a pressing concern. Are there any other parts that I should consider aside from the others above?


I'd suggest getting arctic silver 5 for the CPU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Edit I looked at a few places and it looks like the thermal compound that comes with the Hyper 212+ will be sufficient for your needs. Being your not going to be overclocking much. Actually the Hyper 212+ doesn't come with past or anything on it. It only comes with there Cooler Master thermal compound in a tub.

I have the MX518 Logitech mouse and am quite happy with it. If you felt the need to get a new mouse in the future I've heard a lot of positive things about the G500 Laser mouse from Logitech.
September 2, 2011 3:40:14 PM

life626 said:
I'd suggest getting arctic silver 5 for the CPU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I've heard that lately most processors come with compounds that are just as good as arctic silver if not better? Also less worry about air bubbles or not putting enough or putting too much on with them. So a bit wary about going with arctic silver over what is already on the processor.
September 2, 2011 3:57:21 PM

unless you're looking to OC the paste won't matter in the least. The reason why people say the stock pastes are "Better" is that you can't muck it up. You put the processor in and clamp the heatsink on. Applying TIM is actually a very specific process whereas most people just glob the tube on and sick the heatsink on top of it. Antec has a very good guide to installing TIM on their website at
http://www.antec.com/specs/instruction4.html
September 3, 2011 12:03:57 AM

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unless you're looking to OC the paste won't matter in the least. The reason why people say the stock pastes are "Better" is that you can't muck it up.


Firstly it will matter, your temps will be lower, but you are right in that it will not become a constraint on your system unless you are looking to seriously overclock. Stock pastes do not necessarily come pre-applied so you can still 'muck it up' (H70 for example is pre-applied, CM V8 or D-14 are not and you still need to apply it the same way as AS5 or any other compound).

It is not hard to apply thermal paste (there are plenty of videos on youtube, just dont use the methods where they spread it using a business card or likewise, it will create more air bubbles), I always use AS5 but that's just a habit I have, the stock paste should be perfectly adequate for your system.
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