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September 1, 2011 4:04:08 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: No hard date, but would like to get everything together in the next few weeks. I'm open to buying parts here and there, not all at once.

Budget Range: ~$800

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Moderate gaming though more is intended in the future, heavy web-browsing (on an average day I normally keep about 75 tabs up; I have a problem), some AI, PS, and occasionally Dreamweaver work for profession.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I have a work colleague who has graciously offered to pick up parts for me from Micro Center and/or a TigerDirect outlet on his commute from Atlanta. If ordering online, probably newegg.com; I've heard some bad stories about ordering through TigerDirect.

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: The only part I'm pretty dead set on is the Intel i5 2500k

Overclocking: Yes / Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes / Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I'm in no hurry to get this thing put together, so I'm open to waiting for deals if they are around the corner.



Well my current laptop is on its final leg and as I sometimes have to depend on my home-PC for my occupation, that puts me in a bad situation. I've been wanting to build a PC for awhile so I figured I'd pass on a pre-built and try my luck doing it myself. My goal is to build something that can handle most games, maybe not at max settings, but at least medium-high, a heavy load due to heavy web browsing, PS and AI work, and the occasional dabbling in Dreamweaver. I'm not actually looking to future-proof myself, but it would be nice if I could make this thing, or at least the majority of the parts, last a good 3-5 years. Here is what I've come up with so far:

CPU: Intel i5 2500k - I'm pretty set on this as I'm eventually looking to overclock, not necessarily at the get-go if I can't fit the additional parts required in my budget, but in the not-so-distant future.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... - $180.00
OR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... if my colleague is unable to purchase at Micro Center. - $220.00

MOBO: After lurking around the forums I've heard a lot of good things about the ASRock Extreme 3 and GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $125.00
OR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $124.00

The Extreme 4 also looks interesting
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... - $160.00

RAM: would love 8GB, but if it doesn't fit the budget, 4G is good for now; I can always upgrade later

Graphics: I'm open to suggestions but I've been looking at a GTX 550 Ti. The 560 Ti would be nice but that is a ~$70 price difference that may be better appropriated elsewhere. I'm considering SLI in the future but for now I'm going to stick with a single card.
EVGA http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... - $155.00
OR
MSI Cyclone http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $145.00

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $60.00

PSU: Open to suggestions. Something to power the above parts with some room leftover to perhaps power a second card in SLI if I ever go down that path.

Case: Open to suggestions, but to start the conversation
Antec Illusion http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $65.00
OR
Antec Black Steel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $59.00

Optical: Cheap CD/DVD drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - $20.00

Additional cooling: Heard good things about the 212+, but won't be purchasing if it doesn't fit within the budget. I will hold off on overclocking until I can get the needed cooling.

Total using all high-prices: $680 without RAM and PSU included. I figure ~$50 for RAM and ~$75 for a decent PSU and that puts me at $805. I still need to purchase a copy of Windows 7, which is out of scope for this budget, but something I'm keeping in the back of my head.

I'd rather not buy from TigerDirect online because of the horror stories I've read, but I found this barebones kit: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...
It doesn't exactly contain the best parts, but it is a base to start from. Just something I was thinking about.

On a side note, I will be running dual-monitors: a 27" and 19" now, but hoping to trade the 19" for a 27" or 24" soon.

I'm very willing to shuffle things around so please offer your advice. Anything under $800 is good, anything close to $750 is even better so I don't take the hit of the OS cost so hard.

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September 1, 2011 6:40:22 PM

Processor: Intel Core i5 2500k $219.99
HSF: CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $27.99
Mobo: Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX $129.99
RAM: Gskill RipjawsX 2x4GB 1.5V CAS9 1600Mhz $54.99
GPU: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1567-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $219.99
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200rpm $59.99
DVD: LG DVD R/W $18.99
Case: Antec 300 Illusion $44.99
PSU: Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power - $49.99
Total : $830 after rebates
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September 1, 2011 7:54:34 PM

^ Sold out on the Egg, no longer that price.
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September 2, 2011 3:26:00 AM

Which one?
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September 2, 2011 3:30:10 AM

Neo Eco 620w.
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September 2, 2011 3:31:47 AM

oh ok..
then change it with a Corsair CX500.
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September 2, 2011 4:16:23 AM

Thanks for all of the feedback. A few questions about your suggestions:
- Will a 500W PSU be enough? I'm guessing I would need to upgrade it if I ever decide to run SLI?
- Is there really that much of a performance hike between the 550Ti and the 560Ti, or at least enough of one to justify the additional $70-80?
- I may get the hackintosh bug once I start messing with this computer because I work alongside guys who develop mockups and renderings in Omnigraffle, a Mac only program, and it would be nice to get be able to edit their work. 008Rohit, will the hardware you have listed support Mac OS?

And I'm kicking myself for not picking up the 300 Illusion while I was looking at it the other day on newegg; the coupon and discount expired yesterday... Live and learn I guess.
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September 2, 2011 4:24:08 AM

1. Well the 500w wouldn't be enough for SLI depending on the card but most likely not.
2. Yes there is.
5770 vs 560 Ti
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=296
The 550 Ti is equivalent to the 5770/6770 in most cases. So... That's the justification for that 5770 vs 560 ti.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-550-ti-...
3. Check out my $850 build here. With your discount you get at microcenter. You're looking at $800, the ability to SLI in the future, and a pretty solid build all around.
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Just get this Gigabyte board instead. Hackintosh's oddly work better with Gigabyte boards.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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September 2, 2011 12:53:38 PM

I won't be running SLI anytime soon so I guess I'll go with the 500w for now. And I think you've successfully peaked my interest in the 560 Ti. I wasn't really planning to create a build that would purely be used for gaming, but I have a feeling that once I start using it I'll get the bug, so the 560 Ti is probably the better bet.

As far as the mobo is concerned, are there any real benefits one of those boards has over the other (besides the Gigabyte playing nice with Mac OS)? After a quick look at their details on newegg it looks like they're pretty evenly matched, but I may have overlooked something.

I found these on newegg's daily deals:
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) - $169.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Patriot Gamer 2 8GB (2x4GB) - $29.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=S...

Are either of these worth the discount? I know the 560 is not a Ti, but is there that much of a performance difference between the Ti and non-Ti versions?
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September 2, 2011 6:10:04 PM

Thanks for the link, Des. It cleared up a lot of my questions.

So it looks like the build is going to be:
Processor: Intel Core i5 2500k $179.99
Mobo: Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX $129.99
OR
GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 (for hackintosh compatibility if I ever go that route) $128.99
RAM: Gskill RipjawsX 2x4GB 1.5V CAS9 1600Mhz $54.99
GPU: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1567-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $239.99
OR
EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1563-AR 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $229.99
OR
MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $219.99
OR
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $224.99
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200rpm $59.99
DVD: LG DVD R/W $18.99
Case: Antec 300 Illusion $69.99
PSU: Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power - $49.99
Total : ~$804 after rebates

Tack on a copy of Win 7 and a new monitor and I'm looking at dishing out around $1225.00.
By the way, I'm looking at picking up either of these monitors if you guys care to weigh in:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'm still debating whether gaining LED is worth giving up 3".

A few things:
1) Are there any other decent cases around the same $70 price range of the Antec Illusion? I would have jumped on the case back when it was $45 but it's since gone up.
2) Is the Patriot Gamer RAM I posted above worth the discount?
3) Do any of the GPU's listed above stand out from the others?
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September 2, 2011 6:30:36 PM

What is the deal with ARs, I mean I understand that it is money saved, but only if you get the money back. Now I know the MIR places you're going to be going with are quite reputable, but that doesn't mean that they will honor their rebates. Now, that doesn't mean they won't though, some companies do honor them but it takes them probably 2-3 months. Just a note on rebates.

@008Rohit - They are $70 now, $50 AR. Not $50 before rebates, before they were in stock and had the deal for $50 before rebates.

This is also an option.
Antec EA650 $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
Corsair V2 CX600 $60 BR, $40 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 2, 2011 6:38:31 PM

OK For the monitors, I'm liking the LED one, aesthetically and pricing too, sort of. You can also save some money going with these monitors.
Currently Samsung S23A300B $180 w/ Promo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus VE247H $190 BR, $180 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for cases.
HAF 912 $60 (Cheaper from Amazon since you don't pay shipping)
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Tower-Case-RC-912-K...
CM Storm Scout $80 BR, $70 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CM Storm Enforcer (Has USB 3.0 headers) $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Lian Li Lancool K58 $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Rosewill Challenger $60 (Has USB 3.0 header)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) Can you link the G series ram again? If it's not cheaper then no not worth it.
3) MSI 560 Ti TFII OC
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September 2, 2011 7:55:11 PM

Yeah, the monitors I listed aren't exactly the best buys but they do include HDTV tuners, which I like.

I was looking at the HAF 912 since you had listed it in you $850 build which is why I brought up Illusion alternatives. I definitely like the look of the Illusion better but I'll have to give those other ones you listed some more thought.

2) Patriot Gamer - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.skills - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3) That's what I was thinking. I had it narrowed down between it and the EVGA Superclocked KR.
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September 2, 2011 8:31:31 PM

2. Go for the G series.

3. Both are great, it's up to you, haven't really seen any reviews on the KR. So hard to say how it'll perform.
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September 2, 2011 8:42:21 PM

Yeah, I guess I'll grab the Patriot while it's on discount. I wasn't sure if Patriot was a discount brand since I see a lot of people going for Corsair or G.skills and very few running Patriot. That, and a lot of barebones kits I was originally looking at included Patriot, and those kits normally throw in cheap parts for the hardware they aren't focused on.

I'll have to look for some more benchmarks and see how the EVGA and MSI cards match up.
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September 2, 2011 8:56:34 PM

Well Patriot is a solid brand, no one really notices them because I guess the trend of G.Skill fans and the Corsair using its name. I have a Patriot G series kit (the AMD gamer series version) 4GB DDR3 1600 it performs just fine.

As for EVGA vs MSI, there won't be a lot of benchmarks for you to see. Especially since I have yet to see a review of the EVGA KR 560 Ti. I think the MSI would be better if you plan to overclock more later on. The KR is good as it is, but I don't think the cooler really is as good as the TFII
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September 3, 2011 6:53:08 PM

Well I procrastinated on the Patriot sticks and Antec PSU and now the sticks went back up in price and the PSU is out of stock.

For RAM, I'm now thinking
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As far as the PSU is concerned, I'm looking at
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-...

Thoughts of RAM or PSU?

Still debating on case and GPU. I'm leaning towards the MSI GTX 560Ti Twin Forzr II/OC but the amount of one-egg reviews on newegg has me a bit concerned.
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September 4, 2011 4:59:11 AM

If you want to save money the 1333 G.skill stick, if you don't mind the extra $5. Then thee Vengeance would be pretty good.

The PSU is solid but not if you don't plan to SLI. You should look to spend a little more for one that allows SLI since I see that your plan is a yes or maybe.
Some may disagree with this suggestion, but the OEM manufacturer (so who ACTUALLY makes the PSU) is Sirtec. In the past Rosewill has been using others and all of the Sirtec PSUs have shown they're not bad. So I have faith in this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or you can go Antec again, more money though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 4, 2011 8:03:34 PM

Thanks, I'm going to go with the Vengeance. And the Antec NEO 620w is back in stock at $49 AR; I think I'm going to go back to it. If 750w is what I need in order to SLI 560 TIs, then I'll have to see if I can swing the extra cash after I get everything else settled.

The only things left to decide are to make sure I want to go with the MSI 560 Ti Twin Frozr II/OC and the case. I'm still looking at the HD 6950 only because it would be nice to be able to run three monitors out of the gate without having to buy another card for SLI/Crossfire. I'm not looking to game on three monitors, just productive work. As for the case, I think I've narrowed it down to the
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K58W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...,
Rosewill ARMOR Gaming ATX Mid Tower http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...,
Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower (only if I can stack the promo and MIR so it ends up being $79.99), http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., or
BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

The latter is a really nice looking case but I'm concerned about airflow as the front intakes are rather small.
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September 4, 2011 8:52:41 PM

The cases you chose all look nice, I do think ideally you'd want 750w for some headroom with overclocking.

Any of those choices for cases would be fine. The Shinobi case looks nice, I don't really see how the intake fans can intake air besides the bottom of the case.
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September 4, 2011 9:39:56 PM

The indentions that run from top to bottom on either side of the front and top fascias are actually vents. My concern was that they are rather small. There is also a fan, 120mm I believe, mounted at the bottom of the front fascia that will definitely assist in the airflow, but with the vents as small as they are, I don't know how much "cool" air it can pull in.

Any thoughts on the graphics card dilemma?
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September 4, 2011 9:50:28 PM

Well, I do see the vents it's kind of small though. But....
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Bitfenix/Shinobi_Pre...
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/bitfenix_shinobi_r...
It looks like it'll do fine.

As for the GPU, either choice is fine. I think triple monitor even for production is a lot but it is fine. Up to you, both cards are superb. I'd recommend these two if you do pick between the 560 Ti and 6950 2GB. A request, if you can buy off amazon :D  It supports me towards my website. All you need to do is buy off these links, Amazon sells and fufills it. I just get a portion of the profit.
MSI 560 Ti TFII OC $245
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ...
HIS 6950 IceQ Turbo 1GB $240
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-256bit-Mini-DisplayPor...
The reason I recommended the 1GB version, it is cheaper and you don't really need that extra gig of VRAM (TBH, no one really does. It's more of a mental thing than what it actually benefits)

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September 5, 2011 2:59:50 PM

If I wasn't already over-budget and there wasn't a $20 MIR from newegg, I would definitely buy from you. Maybe if I decide to SLI in the future I'll pick up a 560 Ti from you.

So I think I have everything sorted. The following is what I've settling on. Sanity check anyone?

CPU: Core i5 2500K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor - $179.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA - &121.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) - $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance - $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-...
DVD: ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM - Free with PSU combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS: Windows 7 - $189.99
Case: Bitfenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower - $69.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
Add. fans: COOLER MASTER R4-L4S-10AB-GP 140mm Blue LED Case Fan and Rosewill RFA-120-BL 120mm 4 Blue LEDs LED Case Fan - $17.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor: SAMSUNG P2770HD Rose Black 27" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 50,000:1(1000:1) Built-in HDTV Tuner & Speakers - $329.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1284.89 after MIR (excluding tax and shipping)

I may be able to save on Win 7 if I can find an old copy of XP and just buy the upgrade disk, we'll see. I'd rather not get the OEM version so I don't have to deal with contacting MS if something goes awry and I need to reinstall. I still have my student ID from college (they never deactivate them, ha) so I was hoping to get a student discount on a full retail copy, but it looks like they only offer student discounts on the Upgrades now.
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September 5, 2011 4:35:42 PM

Thanks for the suggestion I'm not married to the idea of modular (though they are easier to deal with), but I primarily went with the OCZ because of the combo with the DVD drive. It may be $10 more than the Corsair but it also comes with a free $20 drive. I have heard some not-so-positive things about OCZ's low-level PSUs, and if they are true and not just brand-bashing, I may be persuaded to go with that Corsair and buy the DVD drive separately just for peace of mind.
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September 5, 2011 4:44:08 PM

Ohhhh okay sorry missed that little bit - no, OCZ would be fine if you wanted to save a bit instead of a Corsair. I've owned a few OCZ including I think one very similar to yours and a Fatality one, they all ran fine with no problems. Seems to me in my own experience that OCZ is a great budget brand that is a bit lower quality than Corsair or Antec but still good enough.
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September 5, 2011 5:56:30 PM

Looks like a solid build! Why exactly is OS $189? Just go with an OEM those are fine, I've used a few and no probs yet.
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September 5, 2011 6:12:45 PM

OS $189 is for Windows 7 Home Prem retail. I was considering OEM, but doesn't OEM lock you into using the mobo it's originally installed on? I'm just trying to give some future thought to this so in case something goes bad on my mobo and I need to reinstall Win 7 on a new mobo, I'm not screwed. Another option is the student discount. I don't think my old .edu email is going to work but my brother is still in med school so I'm having him look into what kind of discount he can get.

Edit: I found a Win XP Home recover disk from an old laptop I had, so maybe I can use it and hopefully have my brother grab the Win 7 Professional upgrade MS has a student discount for for $30.
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September 5, 2011 6:22:09 PM

^ Not exactly, It's more the of the HDD side. If you change the mobo that's not where your Windows is stored. It's stored on your HDD. The only thing that would be needed is that when you get into Windows you'd need update the drivers etc. since it's a diff board.

Where'd you hear that from?
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September 5, 2011 6:30:11 PM

aznshinobi said:
^ Not exactly, It's more the of the HDD side. If you change the mobo that's not where your Windows is stored. It's stored on your HDD. The only thing that would be needed is that when you get into Windows you'd need update the drivers etc. since it's a diff board.

Where'd you hear that from?


^Agreed, but I was actually confused myself before because I think he got that from, the same place I got it from, a description of OEM on Newegg. Not sure if it still says the part about locking with the motherboard but I'm pretty sure that's where I saw something similar.
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September 5, 2011 6:30:23 PM

aznshinobi said:
^ Not exactly, It's more the of the HDD side. If you change the mobo that's not where your Windows is stored. It's stored on your HDD. The only thing that would be needed is that when you get into Windows you'd need update the drivers etc. since it's a diff board.

Where'd you hear that from?


I was reading up on it the other day:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/1424-63-windows-retai...
and
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/window...
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September 5, 2011 7:53:37 PM

I guess that is the case? Do you plan on upgrading motherboards though? The next platform is Haswell which would require a socket change and that is expected in 2 years, after Windows 8 launches. I don't think a retail is required since that board will last you awhile, especially since Ivy Bridge will use these Z68 boards anways.
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September 6, 2011 11:39:09 PM

So I ordered everything last night! I got everything listed in my last inventory post with the addition of a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+; I figured what the hell, may as well OC the i5 from the get go. I picked up the Shinobi and i5 from my coworker today, and I have to admit, the case is damn sexy.

Aznshinobi, thank you for all of your help. Maybe I'll post some pics up of the Shinobi all lit up once I get it all together.
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September 6, 2011 11:40:39 PM

Best answer selected by barneskd.
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September 7, 2011 12:52:02 AM

Well grats! Bet it looks super awesome.
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