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September 3, 2011 4:19:30 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: 30 days

Budget Range: $1500-2000 Flexible (down from 2-3k, overestimated w/ monitor)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Movies, Surfing

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, speakers.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Country of Origin: U.S.A.

Parts Preferences: Quality but not useless features. I would like the option of OC'ing and upgrading if I choose to do so.

Overclocking: Maybe.

SLI or Crossfire: I may add a 2nd GPU in the future.

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or higher, haven't chosen a monitor yet, suggestions? No 3D, no multi.

Additional Comments: This setup is based on some previous suggestions and some research I've, though I'm still not an expert, feel free to be critical. I am very happy with the CPU and GFX choices, still fumbling with some of the other components.

I'm looking to run new games at max detail, at high resolutions, at 40fps+. Still plenty of room in the budget.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K $219.99
Content with this.


MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD4-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $159.99

or

ASRock P67 EXTREME6 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $189.99
Z68 vs. P67, and features vs. features with some higher and lower end boards. I'd rather buy more than I need here. Being able to upgrade to a faster CPU in the future would be a plus.


CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 $27.99
I'm content with this.


GFX: EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $489.99
I'm content with this. Would like the ability to SLI a 2nd 580 in the distant future if I feel the need.


Memory: G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR $53.99
Am I being too cheap here? Looks like a good value but could go better if the improvement would be substantial.


PSU: Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $129.99

or

LEPA G900-MA 900W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $179.99
Antec Bronze vs. LEPA (never heard of it) Gold


SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $224.99
Overkill?


HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $59.99 x 2 ($119.98)
I need more than 1TB of storage, this seemed like a smart choice.


Case:
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $79.99Blu-ray: SAMSUNG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-/+R 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Combo Model SH-B123L/RSBP LightScribe Support $64.99
Grabbed the cheapest most well-known name I could find that was in stock.

Total: $1572

Still at least another $500 to play with. Am I on the right track?" target="_blank">
I really like this case but 1.) am I being too cheap? 2.) should I step up to a full-size for better airflow; room to work?


Blu-ray: SAMSUNG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-/+R 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Combo Model SH-B123L/RSBP LightScribe Support $64.99
Grabbed the cheapest most well-known name I could find that was in stock.

Total: $1572

Still at least another $500 to play with. Am I on the right track?

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September 3, 2011 4:51:32 AM

psu- a nice medium with a great warranty (7 yrs): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram- 1866mhz ram is a great upgrade for not much more- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case- i would invest a little more. it is definitely worth it- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo...

cpu cooler- something a little quieter and cools better- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo- something that can upgrade to ivy bridge z68 and a nf2000 bridge which helps reduce micro stuttering- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... awesome board overall

ssd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... backed by corsair's legendary customer service

gtx 580- it is worth it to get one with a great cooler- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

blu-ray- get something all black so it will look good and a burner is nice too the one you posted is just a drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VE248H-24-Inch-LED-Monitor/d...
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September 3, 2011 5:11:21 AM

Wow thank you, this is all great stuff. I really appreciate it.

I've got up to $1000 available for a monitor comparable, any other suggestions knowing this?

Thanks!
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September 3, 2011 6:45:12 AM

bwitz said:
Wow thank you, this is all great stuff. I really appreciate it.

I've got up to $1000 available for a monitor comparable, any other suggestions knowing this?

Thanks!

These monitors down below are fairly new on the market and all are LED and 3D capable along with a 120HZ refresh rate and 2ms response time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $469.99
SAMSUNG S23A750D Black 23" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $579.99
SAMSUNG S23A950D Black 23" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $599.99
SAMSUNG S27A750D Black 27" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $729.99
SAMSUNG S27A950D Black 27" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)
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September 3, 2011 7:09:27 AM

Would you use one of these without the 3D? I'm not really looking for 3D.
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September 3, 2011 7:17:19 AM

bwitz said:
Would you use one of these without the 3D? I'm not really looking for 3D.

3D on those monitors is optional...On/Off. For an Nvidia 3D set up you would need the Nvidia 3D kit...emitter, glasses, etc.. I'm not into 3D gaming myself, but those monitors are worth their weight in gold seeing how the only other 3D capable monitor out there that also has a 120HZ refresh rate and is LED is the BenQ.

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September 3, 2011 7:41:38 AM

Processor: Intel Core i5 2500K $220
HSF: CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $30
Mobo: Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX $130
RAM: Gskill RipjawsX 2x4GB 1.5V CAS9 1600Mhz $55
GPU: HIS IceQ Turbo H697QT2G2M Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $370
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200rpm $60
SSD : OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $90
BluRay : SAMSUNG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-/+R 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray - $65
PSU : Antec High Current Gamer 900W - $130
Case : COOLER MASTER HAF 922 BLUE RC-922M ATX Mid Tower : $100

Total : $1250

The HD 6970 can handle any games out there at 1080p. If you need more power you can just add another one in future.
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September 3, 2011 7:52:21 AM

Why_Me said:
3D on those monitors is optional...On/Off. For an Nvidia 3D set up you would need the Nvidia 3D kit...emitter, glasses, etc.. I'm not into 3D gaming myself, but those monitors are worth their weight in gold seeing how the only other 3D capable monitor out there that also has a 120HZ refresh rate and is LED is the BenQ.


How do you think that 27" would compare to HP ZR30w Black 30" 7ms S-IPS Panel Height &Swivel Adjustable Widescreen LCD Monitor w/USB Ports 370 cd/m2 DC 3,000:1 in terms of picture quality and performance?

It's slightly out of my budget but looks like the next best step up.

I guess the faster 27" would perform better but the 30" S-IPS will look better? I'm still learning about IPS panels.
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September 3, 2011 8:21:01 AM

bwitz said:
How do you think that 27" would compare to HP ZR30w Black 30" 7ms S-IPS Panel Height &Swivel Adjustable Widescreen LCD Monitor w/USB Ports 370 cd/m2 DC 3,000:1 in terms of picture quality and performance?

It's slightly out of my budget but looks like the next best step up.

I guess the faster 27" would perform better but the 30" S-IPS will look better? I'm still learning about IPS panels.

IPS monitors aren't meant for gaming. They have a great picture and good viewing angles, but they have a slow response time which usually leads to ghosting, hence the reason all your gaming monitors are low response time.

120HZ refresh rate vs 60HZ refresh rates. 2ms vs 7ms. One's great for things like auto cad, modeling, etc.. and the other (Samsungs) are gaming monitors.
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September 3, 2011 8:37:53 AM

Why_Me said:
IPS monitors aren't meant for gaming. They have a great picture and good viewing angles, but they have a slow response time which usually leads to ghosting, hence the reason all your gaming monitors are low response time.

120HZ refresh rate vs 60HZ refresh rates. 2ms vs 7ms. One's great for things like auto cad, modeling, etc.. and the other (Samsungs) are gaming monitors.


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September 3, 2011 7:26:09 PM

It appears I have run into some vastly different opinions on what is desirable for a gaming monitor:

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It seems there are a ton of good 60hz LED's out there but the 120hz market is not there? Why is this?


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there are a few reasons for this:
-most people cannot notice a huge difference between 60hz and 120hz
-the only way a pc can output 120hz is dual dvi, 60hz is the standard for displays.
-some people run two monitors so are limited by connection ports
-120hz monitors are TN panels which are horrible compared to other types
-most computers can not get 120fps on new games. for brand new games this number is often less than 60fps

i'll take a H/P/S-IPS panel @ 60hz over a TN panel @ 120hz any day of the week. viewing angles are over 10x better, color accuracy is there, response times are higher but for anything under 16ms maximum there is no ghosting. such panels can not dispay the A-B-A-B 3d frame sequencing but can do a half resolution 3d interlace if required.

there are 120hz computer monitors out there, i just can never find myself recommending them unless you want the 3d swapframe capability.



Anyone else care to share their opinion?
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September 3, 2011 8:05:01 PM

bwitz said:
It appears I have run into some vastly different opinions on what is desirable for a gaming monitor:

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It seems there are a ton of good 60hz LED's out there but the 120hz market is not there? Why is this?


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there are a few reasons for this:
-most people cannot notice a huge difference between 60hz and 120hz
-the only way a pc can output 120hz is dual dvi, 60hz is the standard for displays.
-some people run two monitors so are limited by connection ports
-120hz monitors are TN panels which are horrible compared to other types
-most computers can not get 120fps on new games. for brand new games this number is often less than 60fps

i'll take a H/P/S-IPS panel @ 60hz over a TN panel @ 120hz any day of the week. viewing angles are over 10x better, color accuracy is there, response times are higher but for anything under 16ms maximum there is no ghosting. such panels can not dispay the A-B-A-B 3d frame sequencing but can do a half resolution 3d interlace if required.

there are 120hz computer monitors out there, i just can never find myself recommending them unless you want the 3d swapframe capability.



Anyone else care to share their opinion?

I said all I'm going to say on this subject...I pretty much posted the reasons's why there is a difference between IPS monitors and gaming monitors. Now if your building a gaming build then it's a no brainer. Google search....

You don't take a Mercedes up in the mountains on 4x4 trails. The make 4x4's for that. In other words you don't buy a monitor like that HP that's not meant for gaming if you game.
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September 3, 2011 8:15:07 PM

I am collecting opinions as to which direction I should go. Opinions will differ, and who is to say who is right or who is wrong? That is why I am looking for multiple opinions.

But thank you very much for your help. You have taken a great deal of time trying to assist me, and I have read many of your other suggestions on other people threads, and I had no intention of trying to disrespect you.
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September 3, 2011 8:21:02 PM

Please someone tell me how I can download more RAM.
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September 3, 2011 8:32:50 PM

Here you go:

Ram
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September 3, 2011 9:09:06 PM

bwitz said:
Here you go:

Ram

:D 
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September 3, 2011 9:47:45 PM

I was at CompUSA the other day, looking at everything from 24" monitors to 40"+ plasmas, and honestly I really wasn't impressed with any of them.

My current 19" CRT seems to give a crisper picture, though the colors may not be as vibrant. I do notice a lot of screen flittering and what I understand to be screen tearing on FPS games.
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September 3, 2011 10:01:14 PM

bwitz said:
I was at CompUSA the other day, looking at everything from 24" monitors to 40"+ plasmas, and honestly I really wasn't impressed with any of them.

My current 19" CRT seems to give a crisper picture, though the colors may not be as vibrant. I do notice a lot of screen flittering and what I understand to be screen tearing on FPS games.

If you play games like CoD...or even the new CoD due out this fall (same engine) your going to get god only knows how many FPS...and that's where those 120hz monitors shine...especially with the low response time. It's fluid and smooth as butter.
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September 3, 2011 10:06:24 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
psu- a nice medium with a great warranty (7 yrs): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram- 1866mhz ram is a great upgrade for not much more- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case- i would invest a little more. it is definitely worth it- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo...

cpu cooler- something a little quieter and cools better- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo- something that can upgrade to ivy bridge z68 and a nf2000 bridge which helps reduce micro stuttering- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... awesome board overall

ssd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... backed by corsair's legendary customer service

gtx 580- it is worth it to get one with a great cooler- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

blu-ray- get something all black so it will look good and a burner is nice too the one you posted is just a drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VE248H-24-Inch-LED-Monitor/d...


Going with a full tower case, I think this is the smartest option.

Also considering the GFX with upgraded fan, and that motherboard.

I still struggle with z68 vs. p67, haven't found anything too convincing yet. The PCIe 2@16x is nice, as well as the possibility of upgrading to the IB in the future. Though a cpu upgrade and SLI might be too far off for me, personally, to justify it all. I think I need to do some more research on this myself.

My last 1TB seagate drive crapped out on me, so drive quality will be very important.

Going to look for some articles on the 1866 ram and monitors.
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September 3, 2011 10:10:24 PM

Why_Me said:
If you play games like CoD...or even the new CoD due out this fall (same engine) your going to get god only knows how many FPS...and that's where those 120hz monitors shine...especially with the low response time. It's fluid and smooth as butter.


I'm so glad you brought this up. My preference will be BF3. No requirements out for it yet, but I'd like to be prepared.

If my comp ends up cranking out 60FPS+ I'd, naturally, like to display it properly.

But aren't most or all monitors limited by the HDMI? Or is this where interpolation comes into play?
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September 3, 2011 10:14:33 PM

bwitz said:
I'm so glad you brought this up. My preference will be BF3. No requirements out for it yet, but I'd like to be prepared.

If my comp ends up cranking out 60FPS+ I'd, naturally, like to display it properly.

But aren't most or all monitors limited by the HDMI? Or is this where interpolation comes into play?

Iv'e never heard of HDMI limiting the refresh rate before.
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September 3, 2011 10:40:04 PM

I guess my information was incorrect.

I was lead to believe that there are limitations as to how fast a signal could be transferred from a GFX card to a monitor. If I could remember the post I would link it. Basically someone said that a 120hz monitor would only receive a maximum of 60hz from the GFX card, and would double the framerate by "guessing" what every other frame should be displayed as.

I looked up the specs of a HDMI standard cable and apparently its 75Mhz.

I must have gotten confused at some point.
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September 4, 2011 2:05:56 AM

for the psu for around the same price you can get a 1kw... 80plus gold certification modular psu....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

always have more power sto spare for your sli gtx 580....

for mobo... if you willing to spend more... you can get this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this comes with nforce 200 chip which gives you full x32 lanes for sli... no more x16 split up dual x8 mode... not to mention it has pcie 3.0 slots... support for future pcie 3.0 compliant devices...

if you want something cheaper... ditching the nforce 200 chip... you'll get this one...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and for ssd... crucial m4 is known for higher reliability and not much slower than ocz...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

for case... you can go for this one...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this has more room compared to storm scout... despite it's a mid tower... just be sure to add a 200mm side panel fan....

for a complete package of a full tower... you won't go wrong with this two...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and finally... for monitor.... if you gaming on a single monitor... i would recommend choosing a good quality ips panel... instead going for tn panel(mine is suck! poor viewing angle)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

although i'll lean towards the viewsonic because it has very good user review... other users don't have complain with this model...

i hope my suggestion do helps...
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September 4, 2011 2:14:47 AM

bwitz said:
Going with a full tower case, I think this is the smartest option.

Also considering the GFX with upgraded fan, and that motherboard.

I still struggle with z68 vs. p67, haven't found anything too convincing yet. The PCIe 2@16x is nice, as well as the possibility of upgrading to the IB in the future. Though a cpu upgrade and SLI might be too far off for me, personally, to justify it all. I think I need to do some more research on this myself.

My last 1TB seagate drive crapped out on me, so drive quality will be very important.

Going to look for some articles on the 1866 ram and monitors.

the samsung f3 is a quality drive

if you dont think you will sli- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... well sli is still possible just a cheaper board

monitors- check out this monitor if you didnt see my post before- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it is well worth its extra price
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September 4, 2011 2:23:55 AM

Great stuff, thank you both, I'm looking into it all right now.

Let me ask you guys something, for monitors, what response time do you think is adequate for gaming?
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September 4, 2011 2:28:25 AM

bwitz said:
Great stuff, thank you both, I'm looking into it all right now.

Let me ask you guys something, for monitors, what response time do you think is adequate for gaming?

I'l post a build here in a few minutes.. (@ half time) that will include a monitor. In the meant time google some reviews in regards to gaming monitors...that is if this is a gaming build.

And for the love of god, do not take any advice from someone who post a Raidmax psu and a IPS panel for a gaming build.
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September 4, 2011 2:36:18 AM

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I'l post a build here in a few minutes.. (@ half time) that will include a monitor. In the meant time google some reviews in regards to gaming monitors...that is if this is a gaming build.

And for the love of god, do not take any advice from someone who post a Raidmax psu and a IPS panel for a gaming build.


yeah... for the sake of god do not take anyone's advice except Why_Me... he's got the best advice no one has ever had... he's a consultant..... he's a blah blah blah..... listen to nobody but him....
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September 4, 2011 3:46:39 AM

What some manufactures call "mid towers" are as large if not larger than a lot of so called "full towers". Cooler Master and Corsair make mid towers that are a full tower in size.

That board down below provides a black front bezel w/2 x 3.0 USB ports and a 2.5" SSD bracket that nicely matches that case. Also that board is set up for Ivy Bridge and has the PCI-E 3.0 slots that Ivy Bridge will support not to mention it has the NF200 Bride allowing dual cards to run @ x16 & x16. This build is set up to add another one of those vid cards later on for SLI. That psu is manufactured by Enermax for LEPA and is top of the line.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Megaflow 200 R4-LUS-07AR-GP 200mm Red LED Case Fan

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $179.99 - $129.99 after mail-in rebate card
LEPA G900-MA 900W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $279.99
ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $304.98 FREE SHIPPING
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $27.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $52.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING $10 off w/ promo code EMCKBGK32, ends 9/5
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $479.99 FREE SHIPPING
EVGA 015-P3-1580-TR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CT128M4SSD $187.99 Free Shipping
Crucial M4 2.5 inch 128GB SATA3 Solid State Drive(MLC) - CT128M4SSD2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $469.99
SAMSUNG S23A750D Black 23" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)

Total: $2,183.87 *not including shipping, promo codes and rebates

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Extre... <---- A better look at that board. Scroll down towards the bottom of the page to see the black 2 x 3.0 USB bezel w/2.5" SSD bracket

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag... <----- You can see it on there also.

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/index.html <---- PCI-E 3.0 for Intel Ivy Bridge due out next spring.

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/IntelZ68/index.asp <----- Z68 features

http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6606 <------ A better look at that case

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut... <---- Toms showed with this review here last week that those boards (NF200 bridge x16 & x16) help to reduce micro stutter

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/crucial-m4-ssd-firmwar... <----- Crucial M4 Firmware update
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September 4, 2011 3:53:34 AM

1 yr warranty on that psu. try 7yrs- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i have the hyper 212 plus and it is loud i can hear it over my 4 case fans (antec 300 illusion) when it is on medium. 60hz monitor

only a mid tower case. i know it is big for a mid tower. but it is still a mid tower.
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September 4, 2011 4:03:33 AM

Why_Me said:
I'l post a build here in a few minutes.. (@ half time) that will include a monitor. In the meant time google some reviews in regards to gaming monitors...that is if this is a gaming build.

And for the love of god, do not take any advice from someone who post a Raidmax psu and a IPS panel for a gaming build.


Thank you, it's a great build and will most likely be what I end up with.

And yes, I am still doing my homework :p  Tom's doesn't have as many monitor reviews as I had hoped, but I have found some other, seemingly reputable sites that do.

mjmjpfaff said:
1 yr warranty on that psu. try 7yrs- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i have the hyper 212 plus and it is loud i can hear it over my 4 case fans (antec 300 illusion) when it is on medium. 60hz monitor

only a mid tower case. i know it is big for a mid tower. but it is still a mid tower.


mjmjpfaff, what do you think about the rest of his build? I see from this and your previous post that you prefer upgraded cooling for the CPU and GFX, and the faster memory, anything else?
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September 4, 2011 4:15:58 AM

well staying away from lepa if that is possible. the 1yr warranty shows they dont have much trust in their product. the 7yr pc power and cooling should last you through 2 builds
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September 4, 2011 4:26:10 AM

bwitz said:
Thank you, it's a great build and will most likely be what I end up with.

And yes, I am still doing my homework :p  Tom's doesn't have as many monitor reviews as I had hoped, but I have found some other, seemingly reputable sites that do.

Be wary also when you read up on reviews. I'm going to show you a prime example of someone doing a review on a gaming monitor that doesn't game, and doesn't have a clue.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <----- This monitor came out last year. It was the first monitor to break the ice in regards to 3D + LED + 120HZ. It got great reviews from gamers and gaming sites.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/02/09/be... <----- Here's a review done on it by a "non gamer". The guy who did this review most likely owns a iMac for the fact he loves the "feel of it". A "non gamer".

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/01/18/vi... <----- At the end of his review (page 2) he recommends that monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <---- That's the same monitor on newegg...the one that reviewer recommended. It's for peeps who do CAD, photo shop, etc... it has a 14ms response time. No gamer in their right mind would try playing a FPS game on that monitor if they have high end rig with GPU power.
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September 4, 2011 4:37:07 AM

Why_Me said:
Be wary also when you read up on reviews. I'm going to show you a prime example of someone doing a review on a gaming monitor that doesn't game, and doesn't have a clue.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <----- This monitor came out last year. It was the first monitor to break the ice in regards to 3D + LED 120HZ. It got great reviews from gamers and gaming sites.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/02/09/be... <----- Here's a review done on it by a "non gamer". The guy who did this review most likely owns a iMac for the fact he loves the "feel of it" and plays RPG's so he can play a female role and has gender issues. A "non gamer".

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/01/18/vi... <----- At the end of his review (page 2) he recommends that monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <---- That's the same monitor on newegg...the one that reviewer recommended. It's for peeps who do CAD, photo shop, etc... it has a 14ms response time. No gamer in their right mind would try playing a FPS game on that monitor if they have high end rig with GPU power.



a monitor that has no fast response time like 1ms or 2ms don't deserve to be called gaming monitor.... is that what you mean? you said that ppl who recommend this or that kind of monitor don't game or what... do you mean that you've tried all this kind of panel? if you are trying to say that ppl is wrong pls make sure you gt solid proof to back it up...
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September 4, 2011 4:41:18 AM

Why_Me said:
Be wary also when you read up on reviews. I'm going to show you a prime example of someone doing a review on a gaming monitor that doesn't game, and doesn't have a clue.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <----- This monitor came out last year. It was the first monitor to break the ice in regards to 3D + LED + 120HZ. It got great reviews from gamers and gaming sites.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/02/09/be... <----- Here's a review done on it by a "non gamer". The guy who did this review most likely owns a iMac for the fact he loves the "feel of it". A "non gamer".

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/01/18/vi... <----- At the end of his review (page 2) he recommends that monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <---- That's the same monitor on newegg...the one that reviewer recommended. It's for peeps who do CAD, photo shop, etc... it has a 14ms response time. No gamer in their right mind would try playing a FPS game on that monitor if they have high end rig with GPU power.



Exactly, I can compare graphs from hardware benchmarks, but I prefer a more personal recommendation when it comes to monitors

For you personally, if the price didn't matter, would you take the 27" 120hz Samsung over the 23" 120hz Samsung? I've never used anything remotely similar, you most likely have some experience.
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September 4, 2011 4:45:03 AM

phenom90 said:
a monitor that has no fast response time like 1ms or 2ms don't deserve to be called gaming monitor.... is that what you mean? you said that ppl who recommend this or that kind of monitor don't game or what... do you mean that you've tried all this kind of panel? if you are trying to say that ppl is wrong pls make sure you gt solid proof to back it up...


Why_Me is just very performance oriented. One of my original requests was for a high performance monitor, he is just leaning heavily towards that side of the spectrum.
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September 4, 2011 4:47:41 AM

of course the bigger is the better... the only question is... do you really need 3D for gaming?
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September 4, 2011 4:49:17 AM

Awesome 3D Rig for $1,300! $1,900 with 27in 3D Display! FUTURE PROOF!

All components on NewEgg and Amazon

Just bought this over last 2 days, hurry as some rebates end 9/5!

ENERMAX SGALAXY EVO 1250W PSU $200

2x AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB in CrossFireX $290 (Not 3-way capable)

ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $170 (Ivy Bridge/PCI 3.0 ready)

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 $40 (Combo Deal with MoBo)

WD Black 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA III $130 (Storage/Games/5yr Warranty)

OCZ 120 GB Vertex 3 SATA III SSD $200 (OS Drive)

Intel Core i5-2500K $217 (OC to 4.5Ghz+)

Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU fan $27

GAMMA Classic Series ATX Mid Tower Interior Steel Chassis (HAF 922 Knock-off) $35

Total: $1,309 (After Rebates/No Monitor)

If you want the ULTIMATE 3D Gaming experience with 120hz and DisplayPort awesomeness;

Samsung S27A750D 27-Inch Class 3D LED Monitor $585
-Only possible limitation is it’s “only” 1080p (less future proof)
Total: $1,894

The MoBo and PSU is future proof! You can upgrade to an Ivy Bridge and stick some 3-way CrossFireX cards two years down the road when Ivy Bridge and 3-way is (hopefully) cheap(er).

You can cut out some premium by the following;

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W PSU $130 (Saving $70)
-Less Future Proof (issues with powering 3-way crossfire in future)

Velociraptor 600 GB SATA III $250 (Saving $80)
-Cutting out the SSD and 2TB with a comfy middle ground

ASRock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $125 (Saving $45)
-Sacrificing 3-way SLI/CrossFireX

New Total: $1,114 w/o monitor $1699 with monitor
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September 4, 2011 4:51:04 AM

bwitz said:
Why_Me is just very performance oriented. One of my original requests was for a high performance monitor, he is just leaning heavily towards that side of the spectrum.



yeah i knw... what i'm trying to say is even a 14ms ips monitor can also be a good gaming monitor... a good gaming monitor doesn't neccessarily need to have very fast response time...
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September 4, 2011 4:51:04 AM

bwitz said:
Exactly, I can compare graphs from hardware benchmarks, but I prefer a more personal recommendation when it comes to monitors

For you personally, if the price didn't matter, would you take the 27" 120hz Samsung over the 23" 120hz Samsung? I've never used anything remotely similar, you most likely have some experience.

That depends on desk space and preference. I use a 21.5" monitor for a few reasons. I don't have a lot of desk space, I don't watch movies on my pc...I have a TV for that, and I don't like to cover a lot of "eye space" when I game. I like everything right in front of me in easy eye sight without having to turn my head back and forth.

If I can't shoot it, blow it up, stab it, fly it or race it, I don't play it. And if I'm having to move my head from right to left just to cover the screen/map then I don't think I'd enjoy it too much. Of course this is coming from a guy who started out on a 15" monitor back in the mid '90's so I'm a bit biased. :p 

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September 4, 2011 5:05:09 AM

phenom90 said:
of course the bigger is the better... the only question is... do you really need 3D for gaming?


No, I have no desire to do anything in 3D, they just happen to be 3D monitors due to their fast refresh rate. I wouldn't use any of the 3D functionality, I guess "3D" just makes more money than "super fast gaming"

steelbeast said:
Awesome 3D Rig for $1,300! $1,900 with 27in 3D Display! FUTUREPROOF!
All components on NewEgg and Amazon

ENERMAX SGALAXY EVO 1250W PSU $200

2x AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB in CrossFireX $290 (Not 3-way capable)

ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $170 (Ivy Bridge/PCI 3.0 ready)

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 $40 (Combo Deal with MoBo)

WD Black 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA III $130 (Storage/Games/5yr Warranty)

OCZ 120 GB Vertex 3 SATA III SSD $200 (OS Drive)

Intel Core i5-2500K $217 (OC to 4.5Ghz+)

Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU fan $27

GAMMA Classic Series ATX Mid Tower Interior Steel Chassis $35

Total: $1,309 (After Rebates/No Monitor)

If you want the ULTIMATE 3D Gaming experience with 120hz and DisplayPort awesomeness;

Samsung S27A750D 27-Inch Class 3D LED Monitor $585
-Only possible limitation is it’s “only” 1080p
Total: $1,894

The MoBo and PSU is future proof! You can upgrade to an Ivy Bridge and stick some 3-way CrossFireX cards two years down the road when Ivy Bridge and 3-way is (hopefully) cheap(er).

You can cut out some premium by the following;

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W PSU $130 (Saving $70)
-Less Future Proof (issues with powering 3-way crossfire in future)

Velociraptor 600 GB SATA III $250 (Saving $80)
-Cutting out the SSD and 2TB with a comfy middle ground

ASRock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $125 (Saving $45)
-Sacrificing 3-way SLI/CrossFireX

New Total: $1,114 w/o monitor $1699 with monitor


Thank you but you haven't included all of the components I said I wanted to use, are way under budget, and are pushing 3D awesomeness.

phenom90 said:
yeah i knw... what i'm trying to say is even a 14ms ips monitor can also be a good gaming monitor... a good gaming monitor doesn't neccessarily need to have very fast response time...


I understand what you mean, I have heard both sides to this story today and it's a touchy subject. What monitor(s) do you use, and for what purpose?

Why_Me said:
That depends on desk space and preference. I use a 21.5" monitor for a few reasons. I don't have a lot of desk space, I don't watch movies on my pc...I have a TV for that, and I don't like to cover a lot of "eye space" when I game. I like everything right in front of me in easy eye sight without having to turn my head back and forth.

If I can't shoot it, blow it up, stab it, fly it or race it, I don't play it. And if I'm having to move my head from right to left just to cover the screen/map then I don't think I'd enjoy it too much. Of course this is coming from a guy who started out on a 15" monitor back in the mid '90's so I'm a bit biased. :p 


I agree completely, just needed someone to say it, to counter my juvenile side that says "get the biggest one"
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September 4, 2011 5:10:01 AM

When it comes to monitor performance, my issue is, the last time I bought a monitor, LCD's were new, and weren't a better alternative to a CRT.

Now it seems LCD's are starting to outperform CRT's on almost all fronts, but if I'm not careful I could end up purchasing a monitor of equal functionality to my 19" CRT, as opposed to a significant upgrade.

I think LCD's became popular originally due to their smaller desktop footprint rather than being able to outperform a CRT at the time. Technology took a strange path on this one.
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September 4, 2011 5:44:38 AM

bwitz said:
When it comes to monitor performance, my issue is, the last time I bought a monitor, LCD's were new, and weren't a better alternative to a CRT.

Now it seems LCD's are starting to outperform CRT's on almost all fronts, but if I'm not careful I could end up purchasing a monitor of equal functionality to my 19" CRT, as opposed to a significant upgrade.

I think LCD's became popular originally due to their smaller desktop footprint rather than being able to outperform a CRT at the time. Technology took a strange path on this one.

The "3D" is an option for those monitors. You can only game with Nvidia 3D on those monitors if you get that Nvidia 3D kit w/emitter, glasses, etc... For myself I would want one of those monitors for 2D and the LED with 120HZ refresh rate. If you ever got the bug to use 3D with those monitors the option is there. But again it's an "option".
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September 4, 2011 6:31:18 AM

I' going to work up a new build with the latest suggestions, I hope you an everyone else will come back to take a look.

Thank you for all the help so far :pt1cable: 
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September 4, 2011 11:42:10 AM

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No, I have no desire to do anything in 3D, they just happen to be 3D monitors due to their fast refresh rate. I wouldn't use any of the 3D functionality, I guess "3D" just makes more money than "super fast gaming"

yep... i agree... so that's why i didn't invest in 3d gaming peripherals...


I understand what you mean, I have heard both sides to this story today and it's a touchy subject. What monitor(s) do you use, and for what purpose?

for right now i'm using this monitor...
http://www.chimei.com.tw/en/model-detail.asp?Pid=103

maybe you never heard of it... i'm using this for gaming... movies and some spreadsheet... but right now i had difficulties of reading text on white background... it appears blurry.... and it has very poor viewing angles... after searching for months... i settled on getting a new ips panel for to replace this one... initially... i found two models that has good reviews while not being too expensive for my pockets....

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but too bad i couldn't find both in the retails near my place... so i think i've got to find a way to order these from somewhere else...




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September 4, 2011 3:03:16 PM

you guys are all talking about 3d 2ms monitors. what about 1920x1200 monitors? here is one- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . when you get up past 60hz you will not see a difference it will not be "smoother" because the human eye cannot catch it. when you sli the 580's it isnt too much overkill. you probably wont be able to max out a few games. higher resolutions give you an edge in gaming because you can see more than people using 1080p which is 99% of gamers.
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November 5, 2011 9:59:12 PM

Best answer selected by bwitz.
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