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September 3, 2011 9:18:46 PM

Hi everybody,

I am here to ask for your help. back in 2003-2005 I was reading every post on TH forum. In 2005 I have built the computer you can see below. Back then, I had time to overclock, test it and have fun pushing that old P4 up to 4.6 GHz with water cooling. Years have passed and my setup is getting old. I am running into stability issues now. These issues are probably motherboard related and caused by my watercooled environment (less cooling on motherboard) and the multiple power surge I had during those years (lost an Antec PSU and 2 drives) (yeah I got a surge protector after that...).

Compare to 5 years ago while I was a student, I had time to spend but no money, now, I have money but less time to read on new tech and new trends. I was hoping you could help me build my new setup. I know that all the info I need is on the net or on this forum but I don't have that much time to read.

What I am looking for is silent computer. I am willing to pay more for a silent setup. My old but still good ATI x1800xt (overclocked) is letting me play games like New Vegas with good performance, but the noize generated is way above what I could these days consider as acceptable. My new computer will mostly be used for audio in a home studio. I have not decided yet if I want a good graphic card or I will go for a passive cooling solution.

I want a really fast CPU. I am not interested to have water cooling again. Too much trouble and I won't be doing intense overclocking. I may push the CPU to its limit but it will be on stock voltage. I would also be more interested in a large heat sink with a 120 mm fan running at lower speed (if it is still a good solution these days :)  ).

I am looking for a good ram too, I have never been a huge fan of fast timings on rams as I though the performance boost was not big enough to justify the price difference. I don't know if things have changed in 2011.

On the HD part, how are the solid state drives doing? I have seen a lot of hybrid drives on online computer part stores. How good are they? How do they work? (I know the info is probably available somewhere here on TH :)  ) I am looking for a fast boot drive for softwares and audio working directories. I will have larger drives to store samples librairies. Are Seagate drives more reliable than what they where in 2005?

The case! Which case do you recommend. I want silence... And for the PSU, I have a 1-2 years old Antec smart power 2 (500W) that could be reused. I don't know if it will be enough if I want to add a good video card now (or later). Any of you have experience with passive cooling PSU? Silence silence silence..:) 

I may look like I am freaking out with silence but my old Prescott setup is as noizy as a shop vac. And I am sooo tired of it.

I don't have a maximum amount of money to put on my computer. I am certainly not going to pay 1k$ for a CPU but I am opened to look at any suggestion. Also if something good is coming during next months, let me know, I could change my plans and wait a little longer.

I really appreciate your help on this.

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September 3, 2011 9:55:06 PM

first of all you must determine a budget for your rig, and i would really love to recommend you a system but all i can say wait for the upcoming AMD new CPUS "Bulldozers" which is considered to be the dominants for the market this year
September 3, 2011 10:15:07 PM

Let say between 1.5k$ and 2.5 k$ maybe that won't help much :) 
Depending on performance difference between a 1.5k$ and a 2.5k$ rig.

I must admit that I don't know how much will cost a high end rig these days.
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September 3, 2011 11:42:04 PM

orionman said:
Let say between 1.5k$ and 2.5 k$ maybe that won't help much :) 
Depending on performance difference between a 1.5k$ and a 2.5k$ rig.

I must admit that I don't know how much will cost a high end rig these days.

2000 $ sounds a very reasonable price for high end user/ gaming PC if you have preferences for AMD or Intel just talk about it, some other guy would post here links for each component you need and it's price and say it's a high end rig but you gotta determine first which one of these TWO would you go for
September 3, 2011 11:53:38 PM

I must admit that I have a preference for Intel systems, I am open to hear about an AMD based rig if, for example, there is an incredible deal or something like that.

My laptop was a Turion X2 and I have been really disapointed, I should have paid a bit more to get an Intel processor for few reasons. I don't want to start a big discussion on this, I am sure AMD have done awesome processors in the last years!


Thanks for the help!
September 4, 2011 12:28:44 AM

orionman said:
I must admit that I have a preference for Intel systems, I am open to hear about an AMD based rig if, for example, there is an incredible deal or something like that.

My laptop was a Turion X2 and I have been really disapointed, I should have paid a bit more to get an Intel processor for few reasons. I don't want to start a big discussion on this, I am sure AMD have done awesome processors in the last years!


Thanks for the help!

you must have been away fro the latest hardware and innovations for both |AMD and Intel, anyway AMD is launching the first Eight Core Processor in the history with a native support for DDR3 1886 and 16 MB of L2+L3 Cache this release will be after 3 or 4 weeks, all the expectations says it's gonna beat the recent Intel I7 sandybridge CPUs
Here are Recoomendations for an Intel based System
Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
Reference: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-p55,2519-1...
CPU : intel Core I7 2500K
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/8gb-ddr3-ram,2542-9...
PSU: OCZ Z1000M / Antec TPQ 1200W
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/psu-efficiency-1000...
Case:Cooler Master HAF X
GPU: AMD HD 6990 (Dual GPU for the Optimum performance)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H70 Water Cooling System (no pipes and tubes just a radiator with big Fans giving the optimum ooling sys)
SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 240Gb (best access time, seuential read/write)
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-3-sandforce-...
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB or more (depending on your needs)

any other component you need let me know about it
September 4, 2011 12:29:50 AM

In terms of overall performance, Intel has been the performance king since mid 2006. The price between an AMD and Intel setup is really not that much; maybe $100 - $150 difference for the CPU and motherboard. Of course if you want a high end expensive motherboard, then the price difference about be greater.

In your case the Core i5-2500k is your best bet for $220. There are higher end Intel CPUs for more money which performs just as well as the Core i5-2500k or marginally better, but they are meant for programs that can take advantage of more than 4 cores and Hyperthreading (HT); games do not.

AMD does not really have anything that can compete with Intel's current line up. Click the following link for benchmark results between the AMD Phenom II X4 980 BE and the 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i5-2500k. In some cases higher is better, while in other cases lower is better.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=288

AMD's next generation Bulldozer core family of CPUs (Zambezi) are expected to be released before the end of September (unless there's another delay I haven't heard of). The general consensus is they will not be any faster than current Sandy Bridge CPUs. But everyone has to wait for benchmarks to know the truth rather than making guesses.

Intel will be releasing the Sandy Bridge Extreme CPUs by the end of this year. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that they will perform better than Intel's current Sandy Bridge CPUs.

When it comes to "silent" I assume you mean quiet and not "Dead Silent", 'cause "Dead Silent" means more money especially when it comes to cooling your CPU and video cards without using any fans. Plus you need to sacrifice some performance for "Dead Silent".
September 4, 2011 9:54:29 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
September 4, 2011 12:04:30 PM

+1 jaguarskx
I don't expect bulldozer to be any faster than SNB as well, from what little leaked info I've seen.

Then there is little matter of Ivy Bridge, which is around the corner as well, it should be with us in Q1-12, so AMD will again be behind Intel. Big advantage of going with i2500K on LGA1155 socket is that the OP can always swap the SNB CPU with a IVB CPU few years down the road with a simply BIOS upgrade.
September 4, 2011 3:05:42 PM

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Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
Reference: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 19-15.html

Looks good to me

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CPU : intel Core I7 2500K
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 33-22.html

2500k is a i5? not i7 right? I was actually looking for a 2600k. Any advantage to have i7 vs i5? Overclock?

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Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 542-9.html

Well has I told you I am not too much into agressive timing rams. Is it doing a real difference in 2011?

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PSU: OCZ Z1000M / Antec TPQ 1200W
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 25-11.html

We are far from my 500W passive cooling. I will see depending on the graphic card I will take. Any feedback on passive cooling PSU?

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Case:Cooler Master HAF X

This case seems to be a good cooling case but I am look for something less flashy and maybe with some acoustic treatment.

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GPU: AMD HD 6990 (Dual GPU for the Optimum performance)

OK, lol that's a monster, any good review for something less expensive? Anything with NVIDIA? I have been really disapointed with ATI/AMD linux driver support. Is there a clear leader in 2011 between NVIDIA and ATI/AMD?

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CPU Cooler: Corsair H70 Water Cooling System (no pipes and tubes just a radiator with big Fans giving the optimum ooling sys)

Has I told you I am not interested in water cooling anymore. This device seems autonomous, any of you guys had the chance to use it? Does it need to be cleaned frequently?

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SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 240Gb (best access time, seuential read/write)

Sounds good to me. I am thinking about doing some raid. Maybe 2 smaller SSD in raid 0 and 2 large drives in raid 1. Any suggestions?

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There are higher end Intel CPUs for more money which performs just as well as the Core i5-2500k or marginally better, but they are meant for programs that can take advantage of more than 4 cores and Hyperthreading (HT); games do not.

Has I said in my first post, I am not into intense gaming anymore, I will be using that computer for audio processing, so the more cores I will have, the better it will be. Does that change your CPU suggestion?

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When it comes to "silent" I assume you mean quiet and not "Dead Silent", 'cause "Dead Silent" means more money especially when it comes to cooling your CPU and video cards without using any fans. Plus you need to sacrifice some performance for "Dead Silent".

Yeah I understand and yes I am looking for quiet not dead silent.

Thank you for your help guys :-D Much appreciated
September 4, 2011 3:48:34 PM

I was browsing for a case and I found this:
SilverStoneSST-FT02S-W

Anyone had the chance to use it? Any similar case to suggest?
Thx!
September 4, 2011 4:00:33 PM

* yes sorry about this, I5 2500K... i'm not interested in Intel based Systems at all
* DDR3 memory modules differs in CAS Latencies from CL6- To CL11 there's no differences between CL9 and CL8 or CL7 just a bunch of more numbers if you're running a benchmark
* i thought you'd be gaming as well, so in this case a 650W PSU with a GPU such as nVidia GTX 560ti would be very reasonable and sufficient.
* AMD and nVidia have both monsters GPUs nvidia has the GTX 590 / 580 AMD has the HD 6990 / HD 5970 totally equal in performance but AMD has better scaling performance when considering Crossfire systems.
* 2 × Raid0 SSD will get you the same performance and price of the OCZ vertex 3, if you're dealing with high formats and extensions that requires a massive space so you might run 2 × 2 TB WD Green RAID 0 or 3 × 1 TB WD Blue Raid 5 for optimum performance
* i guess you were using complicated water cooling systems, this H70 sounds the best choice of cooling in the market, otherwise you might try the V6GT if you're going to do some overclocks or the Hyper 212+
* about the Case, the CM 912 will meet your specs
September 4, 2011 4:08:15 PM

orionman said:
I was browsing for a case and I found this:
SilverStoneSST-FT02S-W

Anyone had the chance to use it? Any similar case to suggest?
Thx!

looks good but more fans = more noise over the time
September 4, 2011 4:41:39 PM

ilysaml said:
you must have been away fro the latest hardware and innovations for both |AMD and Intel, anyway AMD is launching the first Eight Core Processor in the history with a native support for DDR3 1886 and 16 MB of L2+L3 Cache this release will be after 3 or 4 weeks, all the expectations says it's gonna beat the recent Intel I7 sandybridge CPUs
Here are Recoomendations for an Intel based System
Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
Reference: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-p55,2519-1...
CPU : intel Core I7 2500K
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/8gb-ddr3-ram,2542-9...
PSU: OCZ Z1000M / Antec TPQ 1200W
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/psu-efficiency-1000...
Case:Cooler Master HAF X
GPU: AMD HD 6990 (Dual GPU for the Optimum performance)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H70 Water Cooling System (no pipes and tubes just a radiator with big Fans giving the optimum ooling sys)
SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 240Gb (best access time, seuential read/write)
Ref: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-3-sandforce-...
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB or more (depending on your needs)

any other component you need let me know about it

you need a p67/z68 board for the new sandy bridge cpu's
September 4, 2011 5:00:17 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
you need a p67/z68 board for the new sandy bridge cpu's

Asus P8P67 Pro, didn't notice it's the old I7 socket
September 4, 2011 5:23:48 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
you need a p67/z68 board for the new sandy bridge cpu's


Which one would you recommend?
September 4, 2011 8:02:35 PM

I came across the Antec p193. Looks like an interesting case for my needs. Any of you had the chance to use it?
September 5, 2011 2:03:21 AM

for a gaming setup the i5 2500k is the go to gaming cpu because it gives the same performance as the i7 2600k in gaming situations.

i5 2500k- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 220$

Corsair h60- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 66$

aftermarket fans for h60- http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Case-R4-C2R-2... x2=16$ the one on the h60 is just too loud

Asrock z68 gen3 extreme7- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 280$ nf2000 bridge, z68 platform, and ready for ivy bridge/ new 7000 series and 600 series gpu's

Gskill 8gb 1866mhz- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 70$

Powercolor 6950 2gb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 265$x3=795$ beat 2 580's and 1 6990

OCZ ZX 1000w- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 200$

Silverstone raven RV03- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo... 140$ it is an amazingly quiet case and it still cools very well

Corsair Force GT 120gb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 225$ 120gb is all you need and there is always going to be faster drives coming out. so just upgrade

asus dvd burner- http://www.amazon.com/Asus-DVD%C2%B1RW-DVD-RAM-Internal... 21$

Total=2033$

ok so what resolution will you be playing at because it is either you upgrade to 3 monitors or just get 2 6950's for now. if you are going with 3 1080p monitors oyu will need this adapter for the 3rd monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... monitor i recommend for a three screen setup that doesnt brake the bank- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... single screen setup- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1920x1200 resolution
os- windows 7 oem 64 bit 100$
speakers- what speakers or headset do you have/ are you thinking about?
mouse- what do you have/ are you thinking about?
Keyboard- what do you have/ are you thinking about?


September 5, 2011 10:41:25 AM

mjmjpfaff said:
for a gaming setup the i5 2500k is the go to gaming cpu because it gives the same performance as the i7 2600k in gaming situations.

i5 2500k- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 220$

Corsair h60- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 66$

aftermarket fans for h60- http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Case-R4-C2R-2... x2=16$ the one on the h60 is just too loud

Asrock z68 gen3 extreme7- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 280$ nf2000 bridge, z68 platform, and ready for ivy bridge/ new 7000 series and 600 series gpu's

Gskill 8gb 1866mhz- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 70$

Powercolor 6950 2gb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 265$x3=795$ beat 2 580's and 1 6990

OCZ ZX 1000w- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 200$

Silverstone raven RV03- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo... 140$ it is an amazingly quiet case and it still cools very well

Corsair Force GT 120gb- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 225$ 120gb is all you need and there is always going to be faster drives coming out. so just upgrade

asus dvd burner- http://www.amazon.com/Asus-DVD%C2%B1RW-DVD-RAM-Internal... 21$

Total=2033$

ok so what resolution will you be playing at because it is either you upgrade to 3 monitors or just get 2 6950's for now. if you are going with 3 1080p monitors oyu will need this adapter for the 3rd monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... monitor i recommend for a three screen setup that doesnt brake the bank- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... single screen setup- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1920x1200 resolution
os- windows 7 oem 64 bit 100$
speakers- what speakers or headset do you have/ are you thinking about?
mouse- what do you have/ are you thinking about?
Keyboard- what do you have/ are you thinking about?

again, he won't be gaming......
September 5, 2011 3:09:57 PM

ilysaml said:
again, he won't be gaming......

Quote:
My old but still good ATI x1800xt (overclocked) is letting me play games like New Vegas with good performance, but the noize generated is way above what I could these days consider as acceptable
now he can play new vegas with ease.
September 5, 2011 5:24:09 PM

Yeah, I will try few games but it won't be my priority. Audio will be. You are all telling me that i7 won't have any advantage over i5 for gaming, but the audio question remains.

I know that you are copy/pasting post from other threads but... I appreciate the help. Even if you are not interested at all in Intel systems :) 
September 5, 2011 5:26:34 PM

-Is the Z68 chipset as good as P67 for overclocking?
-Any reviews for Corsair H70 Water Cooling System?
September 5, 2011 5:43:44 PM

Quote:
I know that you are copy/pasting post from other threads but... I appreciate the help. Even if you are not interested at all in Intel systems :) 
i am not copying and pasting from other threads.
switch to 2 6950's and go with a single monitor- the 1920x1200 monitor i posted is very nice or you can go with a large 1080p screen
then switch the psu to this- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
then get the 2600k just in case audio will need it
the h70 is not as good as the h60 with the push pull fans
that should do it.

September 5, 2011 6:25:01 PM

orionman said:
Yeah, I will try few games but it won't be my priority. Audio will be. You are all telling me that i7 won't have any advantage over i5 for gaming, but the audio question remains.

I know that you are copy/pasting post from other threads but... I appreciate the help. Even if you are not interested at all in Intel systems :) 

yes i think that you won't be needing the 2600K as long as you're not interested @ games, i5 2500K should be very sufficient for your needs (audio processing)
September 5, 2011 6:28:41 PM

orionman said:
-Is the Z68 chipset as good as P67 for overclocking?
-Any reviews for Corsair H70 Water Cooling System?

three z68 boards rounded up, you can check the overclocking results
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z68-extreme4...
9 P67 boards rounded up
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-motherboard-rou...
H70 reviews
http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-h70-review/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_h70/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1012/pg1/corsair-...
September 5, 2011 6:34:21 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
Quote:

switch to 2 6950's and go with a single monitor- the 1920x1200 monitor i posted is very nice or you can go with a large 1080p screen
just a single HD GPU even the HD 6790 will pe perfect as long as he is not an intensive gamer
then switch the psu to this- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This psu will be helpful considering future upgrades
then get the 2600k just in case audio will need it
again, i think that Audio streaming processing doesn't require that monster, I5 2500K with a little overclocking will get the same result
the h70 is not as good as the h60 with the push pull fans
that should do it
How come ? .
September 5, 2011 9:49:02 PM

6970 you mean?
the h60 is newer and has better cooling. with push pull fans
September 5, 2011 10:45:31 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
6970 you mean?
the h60 is newer and has better cooling. with push pull fans

* no i mean HD 6790 as long as he's not a real gamer and the H60 sounds good but reviews says H70 has better performance
* about the H60 Vs H70.... simply this is not true the H60 has closed the performance and price gap between the H50 and H70, check this out
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
the H60 beats the H70 while comparing with 1 fan for each but the H70 really shines with the 2 stock fans
September 5, 2011 10:55:30 PM

*about the h60 that is why i said with 2 fans
*the 6790 for 1920x1200? i dont think so.
September 5, 2011 11:31:13 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
*about the h60 that is why i said with 2 fans
*the 6790 for 1920x1200? i dont think so.

i just still need to know why the highest resolution, why the largest monitor as long as he is not going to be a #1 gamer
September 6, 2011 1:07:39 AM

ilysaml said:
i just still need to know why the highest resolution, why the largest monitor as long as he is not going to be a #1 gamer

a high resolution monitor is always nice. it will give a really crisp image
September 6, 2011 1:30:16 AM

he doesn't need to be so generous to the PC because he has 2K $ :) , his work will be done with a half of that price :)  he is not even going to edit video or use murfing his all work can be done with 1280 × 1024 monitor, even while gaming... he still has a quality visual for the eye candy
September 6, 2011 1:54:15 AM

lets leave that decision to the OP
!