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Gaming PC for around $500-New Build-Need help!

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September 5, 2011 7:45:08 AM

Newegg:
-Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition 3.5GHz-$140

-Motherboard: BIOSTAR A870 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard-$67

-Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaw Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3-$25

-Power Supply: Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS-$65

-Case: NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA001BK Steel ATX MId-Tower Built in 120mm rear fan-$40

-120mm fan(?)- Scythe DFS123812-3000 ULTRA KAZE 120 x 38mm fan-$13

-Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint 5400rpm 8MB cache SATA 3.0GB/s 500GB-$55

-Graphics Card: HIS H677FN1GD Radeon HD 6770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support-$126

Total: $526

I have a few questions: Are all of these parts compatible to each other? Will the case I listed be big enough to house these parts? Will the default heat sink fan be good enough, I am NOT overclocking? I mainly want to be able to play new and upcoming games in 720p on medium to high settings, is that realistic? The case comes with a rear 120mm installed fan, should I install another one in the top-front, and should it be 80mm or 120mm? Please give me your thoughts, and tell me if I should change a few things. Thank you.

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September 5, 2011 8:03:17 AM

Tm1994m said:
Newegg:
-Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition 3.5GHz-$140

-Motherboard: BIOSTAR A870 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard-$67

-Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaw Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3-$25

-Power Supply: Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS-$65

-Case: NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA001BK Steel ATX MId-Tower Built in 120mm rear fan-$40

-120mm fan(?)- Scythe DFS123812-3000 ULTRA KAZE 120 x 38mm fan-$13

-Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint 5400rpm 8MB cache SATA 3.0GB/s 500GB-$55

-Graphics Card: HIS H677FN1GD Radeon HD 6770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support-$126

Total: $526

I have a few questions: Are all of these parts compatible to each other? Will the case I listed be big enough to house these parts? Will the default heat sink fan be good enough, I am NOT overclocking? I mainly want to be able to play new and upcoming games in 720p on medium to high settings, is that realistic? The case comes with a rear 120mm installed fan, should I install another one in the top-front, and should it be 80mm or 120mm? Please give me your thoughts, and tell me if I should change a few things. Thank you.


Looks solid, and should do what u want.. However i would change your hd and go with

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ $65 (can be 49.99 with promo code
EMCKBGK32 until 9/5/11)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and to be safe id recommend upgrading to a 600W PSU, just incase and it will give you some wriggle room for future upgrades.

hec X-Power Pro 600 600W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and yes you should definetly get atleast 2 more fans or take the $15 you save on the PSU and spend $15 more and get

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $70 *free shipping*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This case also comes with all the fans you will need so it would balance out pricewise anyway


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September 5, 2011 8:09:37 AM

Ok thanks, I might as well get those instead. That case you listed has all 3 fans so I don't need to buy anymore, right? Do you you think the default heatsink will be fine, or will the 3 fans be enough for a cool cpu? Thank you.
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September 5, 2011 8:11:47 AM

Tm1994m said:
Ok thanks, I might as well get those instead. That case you listed has all 3 fans so I don't need to buy anymore, right? Do you you think the default heatsink will be fine, or will the 3 fans be enough for a cool cpu? Thank you.


yes it has 3 fans and thats all youll need for your current setup.. (wouldnt hurt to buy 1 or 2 more in another month or so when u have the money but for now your fine.

and yes the heatsink and fans will be more then enough to cool the cpu (if your heatsink doesnt come with a fan id buy a 120MM for it as soon as you can(i dont remember if they do for the default ones)
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September 5, 2011 8:15:00 AM

Thank you for your help. I am still new to building computers.
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September 5, 2011 8:15:56 AM

Tm1994m said:
Than you for your help. I am still new to building computers.


we all had to start somewhere and its not a problem at all :bounce: 
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September 5, 2011 8:18:40 AM

With AMD about to release new bulldozer processors its a good idea to get a motherboard that will support them .

GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ $78 [ after rebate ]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can off set the extra cost by buying a Phenom 955 which is the exact same part as the 970 but clocked a little lower . You can very simply change the clock speed to be the same as the 970
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September 5, 2011 8:31:10 AM

Personally I would not go for a samsung HDD at all. Recommend the Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" @ $60.
Much better quality drive.

Concerning the extra fans, its not a bad idea to invest in them, even just one extra 120mm intake at the front will have the airflow moving in the right direction. May be a good investment considering that AMD tends to run slightly hotter.

Agree about the 600W PSU too, always good to play it safe when looking at power, it can make or BREAK your build.
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September 5, 2011 8:42:39 AM

Thank you both for your reply. You mentioned the bulldozer processors, when do they come out and how much will they cost? Also I am not going to oc, but is the x4 955 with out the oc a better deal than the x4 970? Last question is the motherboard I listed compatible with the x4 955- x4 970? Thank you.
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September 5, 2011 8:45:00 AM

@timels: Is the hard drive you suggested a small or big difference in quality?
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September 5, 2011 8:46:23 AM

Tm1994m said:
Thank you both for your reply. You mentioned the bulldozer processors, when do they come out and how much will they cost? Also I am not going to oc, but is the x4 955 with out the oc a better deal than the x4 970? Last question is the motherboard I listed compatible with the x4 955- x4 970? Thank you.


I can only comment on the MOBO, Outlander posted a replacement mobo that would support the new cpu (meaning ud have to deinstall your current 1 and replace with a new 1 if u upgraded down the line (although your current 1 would last atleast 2-3 years and by then it would be better to just do a new build imo)
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September 5, 2011 8:48:56 AM

timels said:
Personally I would not go for a samsung HDD at all. Recommend the Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" @ $60.
Much better quality drive.

Concerning the extra fans, its not a bad idea to invest in them, even just one extra 120mm intake at the front will have the airflow moving in the right direction. May be a good investment considering that AMD tends to run slightly hotter.

Agree about the 600W PSU too, always good to play it safe when looking at power, it can make or BREAK your build.


I disagree completely. Both drives benchmark pretty much the same, however I find both equally reliable. Ive used my samsung f3 500gb for almost 3 years now with 0 problems.

Both drives are pretty much the same price and both equally good so whichever you prefer TM1994m would work fine :D 
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September 5, 2011 8:49:55 AM

Does the motherboard I originally suggested (BIOSTAR A870 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard-$67) support the Phenom x4 955 or the x4 965? Because most likely I will not buy those new processors.
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September 5, 2011 8:53:38 AM

Tm1994m said:
Does the motherboard I originally suggested (BIOSTAR A870 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard-$67) support the Phenom x4 955 or the x4 965? Because most likely I will not buy those new processors.


yes it supports both, however the extra ~$10 bucks to upgrade the mobo to the one outlander posted will give u the usb 3.0 which makes you slightly more future proof since you wont be able to get usb 3.0 with your current mobo
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September 5, 2011 8:56:05 AM

I was on another forum and someone suggested that that the x4 955 is very similar to the x4 965 and the x4 970, so should I just buy the x4 955 for $10-15 less?
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September 5, 2011 9:07:24 AM

It just comes down to CPU speed at that point. honestly the difference probably isnt noticable, however the 965 is probably your best bet IMO. $10 more and you get a bit more speed (once again not really noticeable, but for $10 i think its worth it).
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September 5, 2011 9:11:12 AM

The total cost is around $540, I think even less with the promo codes. Thank you for all your help.
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September 5, 2011 9:11:53 AM

Tm1994m said:
The total cost is around $540, I think even less with the promo codes. Thank you for all your help.


np any other questions feel free to ask
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September 5, 2011 10:19:38 AM

The samsung and seagate drives are very similar in performance , but the balance is in favour of the samsung . I'd buy whichever was cheaper

Its a VERY good idea to buy the mother board I suggested with the 970 series chipset . You get the latest technology , and if you decide to upgrade in a year or two you can do that without having to buy a whole new computer .
Frankly I dont think its worth buying AMD at all unless you get an AM3+ motherboard like that one
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September 5, 2011 4:29:01 PM

And there is no point in getting anything above a 955be when you can just raise the multiplier a few notches to achieve the same speed. I agree with outlander, you should look for a 970 chipset.
Your original choice of psu is much better then the 600w hec that was recommended. Antec is the Superior.
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September 5, 2011 4:35:23 PM

zooted said:
And there is no point in getting anything above a 955be when you can just raise the multiplier a few notches to achieve the same speed. I agree with outlander, you should look for a 970 chipset.
Your original choice of psu is much better then the 600w hec that was recommended. Antec is the Superior.


Very true, except for the PSU. Both PSU are great the reason the hec was recommended was because i feel as if 550w is cutting it to close to the consumption his comp will use and could lead to issues later. If he wants an Antec with 600W i can find 1 of those instead
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September 5, 2011 4:40:08 PM

A quality 400w would be plenty for a 6770/955be. Hec is a no no brand. The antec is also 80+ certified and (semi) modular.
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September 5, 2011 4:53:05 PM

zooted said:
A quality 400w would be plenty for a 6770/955be. Hec is a no no brand. The antec is also 80+ certified and (semi) modular.



Well I like hec and ive heard great things but sure you can change the PSU around and get a more known name brand. Not a problem.

Also your right Zooted, i thought the 6770 took more power then it did but at max stress it only uses 242W

Quote:
From Guru3D
Measured power consumption one card

System in IDLE = 165W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 242W
Difference (GPU load) = 77W
Add average IDLE wattage ~ 19W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 96 Watts
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September 5, 2011 5:07:29 PM

cgleckman said:
Well I like hec and ive heard great things but sure you can change the PSU around and get a more known name brand. Not a problem.

Also your right Zooted, i thought the 6770 took more power then it did but at max stress it only uses 242W

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From Guru3D
Measured power consumption one card

System in IDLE = 165W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 242W
Difference (GPU load) = 77W
Add average IDLE wattage ~ 19W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 96 Watts

Yeah the 6770 is a power sipper. ;) 
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September 5, 2011 8:36:28 PM

I did change a few things before I purchased, I ended up with an Intel i3-2100 sandy-bridge 3.1GHz, 4GB of memory, biostar H61, nvidia gtx 550ti 1GB, Antec 300 series case-3 fans, hec 600w power supply, and either a 320GB or 500GB western digital hard drive. (I don't remember how large the hard drive was) Again, I am not overclocking so I hope I am fine with everything. I know it isn't that upgradable, but I will build a new rig in 2-3 years anyway. This is just for gaming and lightweight software. Also how will the gtx 550ti fit in the case, I did not buy that yet? Any thoughts? Thank you.
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