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December 6, 2011 1:29:57 AM

I will be building a budget custom gaming pc soon and its in between these two, which is better for games only? I plan to overclock the amd phenom x4 955 be to 3.8 or 4.1. Also will the psu be enough to overclock it?Also will the stuff fit fine in the tower?


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

Motherboard ASRock M3A770DE

RAM Crucial Ballistix sport 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) DDR3-1333 BL2KIT25664BA1339

Graphics Sapphire 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1 GB

Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500 GB SATA 6.0Gb/s

Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Cooler Master eXtreme 500 Watt

Optical Samsung 22x DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222AB

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everything the same except change the cpu to an i3-2100.


I also plan to get 8gig of ram is two of the above fine or should i get G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL? Any info is helpful thnx!

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December 6, 2011 1:45:09 AM

What resolution do you play at?

The lower the resolution the more important the CPU's performance comes into play. At 1680 x 1050 the i3-2100 would outperform the Phenom II X4 955. At 1920 x 1200 (x 1080) the performance would be closer, but the i3-2100 should be marginally better.

The Phenom II is more easily overclocked than the Core i3. The i3 is probably limited to at most around a 300MHz overclock with a P67 chipset motherboard. Once overclocked the PII can be equal to or a little better than the i3.
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December 6, 2011 1:45:17 AM

definatly stick with the amd one, a dual core is no where near enough

and your going to run a fine line when it comes to overclocking, i'd move up to a 550 or a 600 watt psu
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December 6, 2011 2:02:50 AM

nna2 said:
definatly stick with the amd one, a dual core is no where near enough

and your going to run a fine line when it comes to overclocking, i'd move up to a 550 or a 600 watt psu


wrong on both counts so lets stop giving people advice when you are clueless on the topics
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December 6, 2011 2:08:06 AM

xXgOrAiZeXx said:
I will be building a budget custom gaming pc soon and its in between these two, which is better for games only? I plan to overclock the amd phenom x4 955 be to 3.8 or 4.1. Also will the psu be enough to overclock it?Also will the stuff fit fine in the tower?


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

Motherboard ASRock M3A770DE

RAM Crucial Ballistix sport 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) DDR3-1333 BL2KIT25664BA1339

Graphics Sapphire 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1 GB

Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500 GB SATA 6.0Gb/s

Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Cooler Master eXtreme 500 Watt

Optical Samsung 22x DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222AB

or

everything the same except change the cpu to an i3-2100.


I also plan to get 8gig of ram is two of the above fine or should i get G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL? Any info is helpful thnx!


FYI, that PSU is not that great. I would go for something like the corsair cx500 v2, antec earthwatt 500w or ocz modstream 500w if money is an issue.

the i3-2100 offers hyper-threading so in most games it keeps up with an OC phenom II x4. In several games it actually beats the phenom, in fact the i3 rarely if ever does worse then the phenom II. The real question is your upgrade path, currently AMD offers no better gaming CPU then the phenom II x4 while with Intel you can upgrade to the i5-2400, i5-2500, and new ivy bridge CPUs.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...
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December 6, 2011 2:08:29 AM

dirtyferret said:
wrong on both counts so lets stop giving people advice when you are clueless on the topics

how so, my gpu asks for 450 watts, i have a 465, i have a relitivlaly low power cpu (95 watts) and when i bring the volts into the 1.45 range it starts setting off surge protection(no its not surging, it would be odd to set it off that much when it never happens any other time)
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December 6, 2011 2:13:19 AM

nna2 said:
how so, my gpu asks for 450 watts, i have a 465, i have a relitivlaly low power cpu (95 watts) and when i bring the volts into the 1.45 range it starts setting off surge protection(no its not surging, it would be odd to set it off that much when it never happens any other time)


even with an OC CPU, this system (i7 + 6870) stays under 330w at stress. Gaming the system would be even under that mark.
a solid (solid being the key word) PSU with around 34a on the 12v rail (usually 500w) would power that with no problem.
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- Intel Core i7 920 (Overclocked @ 3.70GHz)
- x3 2GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-12800 (CAS 9-9-9-24)
- Asus P6T Deluxe (Intel X58)
- OCZ GameXStream (700W)



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December 6, 2011 2:30:53 AM

jaguarskx said:
What resolution do you play at?

The lower the resolution the more important the CPU's performance comes into play. At 1680 x 1050 the i3-2100 would outperform the Phenom II X4 955. At 1920 x 1200 (x 1080) the performance would be closer, but the i3-2100 should be marginally better.

The Phenom II is more easily overclocked than the Core i3. The i3 is probably limited to at most around a 300MHz overclock with a P67 chipset motherboard. Once overclocked the PII can be equal to or a little better than the i3.


I will be using 1440 x 900 (ik its p small for a lot of pple but does the job for me) so im guessing the i3-2100 is better? And no one answered about the ram or if the stuff will fit in the case but anyways thnx.
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December 6, 2011 2:41:15 AM

I would go with the I3, it's only slightly faster than an overclocked Phenom II X4, but you get a better upgrade path for future upgrades and much lower power draw. Electricity doesn't cost much for most but it does add up over time, and it's always nice to have a cooler and quieter computer.
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December 6, 2011 2:45:36 AM

dirtyferret said:
FYI, that PSU is not that great. I would go for something like the corsair cx500 v2, antec earthwatt 500w or ocz modstream 500w if money is an issue.

the i3-2100 offers hyper-threading so in most games it keeps up with an OC phenom II x4. In several games it actually beats the phenom, in fact the i3 rarely if ever does worse then the phenom II. The real question is your upgrade path, currently AMD offers no better gaming CPU then the phenom II x4 while with Intel you can upgrade to the i5-2400, i5-2500, and new ivy bridge CPUs.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/L/N/282011/original/AveragePerformance.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...


About the psu is the Apevia Java 500-Watt Power Supply - SATA-Ready, 120mm Fan (Black) good, if not ill go with the corsaircx500v2?
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December 6, 2011 3:11:08 AM

At 1440 x 900 you really have nothing to worry about and will probably not notice any difference between the two CPUs. Also, the i3 would be an LGA-1155 socket which is scheduled to be extended for Ivy Bridge, the next line of CPUs from intel. If you get a mobo for the 955 you will want to make sure its an AM3+ socket to support the new Bulldozer CPUs. Most games are optimized for two cores. Hyperthreading does almost nothing in games and both have more than enough throughput for your current resolution. Also I hope you have a decent monitor or that will degrade the quality of your gaming experience more than the CPU at this point.

One thing I will be emphatic about is get a high quality PSU, Corsair has got the most reliable PSUs with the least amount of power fluctuation per rail that I have seen.

Too long: You will not notice the difference in your gaming experience between the two options so go with whichever one will make you more happy.
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December 6, 2011 5:41:02 AM

xXgOrAiZeXx said:
I will be building a budget custom gaming pc soon and its in between these two, which is better for games only? I plan to overclock the amd phenom x4 955 be to 3.8 or 4.1. Also will the psu be enough to overclock it?Also will the stuff fit fine in the tower?


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

Motherboard ASRock M3A770DE

RAM Crucial Ballistix sport 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) DDR3-1333 BL2KIT25664BA1339

Graphics Sapphire 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1 GB

Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500 GB SATA 6.0Gb/s

Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Cooler Master eXtreme 500 Watt

Optical Samsung 22x DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222AB

or

everything the same except change the cpu to an i3-2100.


I also plan to get 8gig of ram is two of the above fine or should i get G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL? Any info is helpful thnx!



955be is no match for i3-2100, even you overclocked the phenom it will still stand behind the i3,because i3 is latest generation and have hyperthreading.it will be the best between 995 be and i3-2100.

in short

i3 is better than QX9650 and a little better than bulldozers. and it is equivalant to amd buldozer 8150 (the eight core processor) in gaming. so simply buy an i3-2100
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December 6, 2011 6:19:31 AM

one good thing about the i3 is that with the release of the new intel 2011 socket ,it will be outdated sooner...oh wait...thats not good,nvm
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December 6, 2011 6:52:38 AM

Earnie said:
one good thing about the i3 is that with the release of the new intel 2011 socket ,it will be outdated sooner...oh wait...thats not good,nvm



Ernie the 2011 Socket is a high-end, enthusiest socket. It is not a replacement for the Socket 1155. Shh.
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December 6, 2011 4:54:03 PM

xXgOrAiZeXx said:
I will be using 1440 x 900 (ik its p small for a lot of pple but does the job for me) so im guessing the i3-2100 is better? And no one answered about the ram or if the stuff will fit in the case but anyways thnx.


Yeah, the Core i3-2100 will perform a little better than the PII X4 955 at that low resolution. However, as I stated before, if you are going to overclock the PII can be equal to or be a little better than the i3. The PII has more headroom for overclocking than the i3.

All parts should fit inside the case based on the case's dimension.


In the long run, going with the Core i3 is better if you plan on upgrading in the near future (within the next 2 years). Intel's next (3rd) version of the Core i series called, Ivy Bridge, is coming next year and will be the last socket 1155 CPUs. Performance is expected to be better than the current Core i series, called Sandy Bridge, by 6% - 10% based on current opinions; I'm think 6% because it's just getting some "minor tweaks". AMD's next AM3+ is PileDriver and it will likely be the their final AM3+ CPU. Current estimates it that it will perform about 10% better than the Phenom II and FX series. This basically means PileDriver will probably be as powerful as Intel's 1st generation of Core i CPUs released back in January 2010.
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December 6, 2011 4:56:49 PM

tmoel1 said:
Ernie the 2011 Socket is a high-end, enthusiest socket. It is not a replacement for the Socket 1155. Shh.



I just had to add that..lol


there is abdolutely nothing wrong with the 955,I've run the 940,965,1090T and now the 980 with dual 6950's set to 6970 speeds and it runs perfect,BF3 on all ultra runs a steady 100FPS+,(more around 120),I'm not a fanboy of any camp,The only difference you will see is in benchmark #'s,gaming performance there is no difference.Not to mention all your other hardware makes a diff as to what you will see(GPU,Memory etc..)

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December 6, 2011 7:14:25 PM

dirtyferret said:
wrong on both counts so lets stop giving people advice when you are clueless on the topics


Made my day...
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December 6, 2011 8:06:36 PM

Might want to rethink the AMD3 mobo if you go Intel.
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December 7, 2011 12:00:50 AM

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