Very first build, ~$1500 budget. Need serious help

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Hey guys,

So I am considering building my very own gaming pc. I have tinkered around with computers before and bought a laptop a couple years ago, but I am basically very new to this stuff. My laptop was able to take games pretty well but I did get it 3 years ago so its really starting to be obsolete. I also only bought it because I didn't want to deal with moving around a desktop at school. I am ready to buy something that can handle some high end games for a few years and can be upgraded to take me through a few more.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next couple weeks


Budget Range: Around $1500 would be reasonable, if it was worth it I could go near $1800 but I am not really looking for a super computer.


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the web, music


Parts Not Required: None really. For speakers I was thinking of Logitech Z623 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121048). I can probably figure out keyboard and mouse on my own unless anyone has suggestions for some decent ones, nothing too flashy.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg seems the best, but I am open to suggestions.


Country of Origin: USA


Parts Preferences: For a processor I really like the idea of the Intel i5-2500, since I heard that the i7 doesnt pack much more of a punch in gaming.


Overclocking: Probably not. I am not really interested in pushing my computer to the limits to really get some more power. I mean as long as it can play the games I want on hi res without any issues I don't need anymore. I also know nothing about it so I probably wouldnt know what I am doing.


SLI or Crossfire: I am very fuzzy on what this actually is but I do not plan on having more than one graphics card unless there is a seriously good reason to utilize this.


Monitor Resolution: Probably 1920x1080, I am looking to just get one 20 something inch monitor.


Additional Comments: I am not really into lots of bling and LED lights on the case, but i can live with it if the case is worth it. I plan to use this computer to play Skyrim on high res, and probably also battlefield 3 and diable 3, but I figure Skyrim will be the most graphic intensive. Like I said earlier I am not really interested in making some sort of super computer. Just something that will play games fine and not give me any trouble or take a lot of work to run. I don't know anything about overclocking so I am not really into using it unless it is very highly recommended.

I would really appreciate some guidance on picking components, I am having trouble deciding on my own since there is soo much information and options out there. I could really use a hand finding the best fit for my needs at a reasonable price. I also obviously know nothing about building so any tips would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
 

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I would advice you to buy i5-2500k cpu.
It's just some dollars higher, but as I have tested both I can say that its better for about 15% it's worth it.
However I don't now where to buy it in Us.
 

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Yeah I wasnt sure if I should get the K model if I wasn't planning on overclocking. The price difference is also very small
 

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Chechk if there is a microcenter close by as u can save some money.

Otherwise for case try HAF X. Tell me what u think.
PSU some decent one with 850-950W of power
For CPU probably get 2500k even if u don't know what overclocking is. It's pretty easy. Also non-refernce cooler might help with overall temp on CPU
standard HDD - samsung f3
SSD - crucial m4 128mb
mobo - z68 with 2 pcix slots that can run x8/x8 brands like Asus, gigabyte and asrock will do
some 1.5 V RAM 1600Mhz 8Gb
and probably GTX 580 or HD6970 HD
 

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Let me know what you guys think of this so far.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131730

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

SDD: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233194

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121425

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151235

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

or

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139006&Tpk=Corsair%20Obsidian%20Series%20650D

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121048

Totals:
Computer: $1294
Peripherals: $387
Grand Total: $1681

I took some guesses when picking these parts. Things like the motherboard I really had no idea what was best. As far as the case, the HAF X looks pretty good but I have heard good things about Corsair. Looks wise either one is fine but the Corsair is more simplistic looking which is more what I am looking for. I picked most of the peripherals real quickly without any research, so any suggestions there would be good. But I really am not picky and don't want to spend too much on things like a mouse.

This was a bit of a quick and dirty list so let me know if anything is out of place or I could easily save money somewhere or if I should shell out more somewhere else. Thanks!



 
MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131730

The ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 is arguably just as good for only $125 on Newegg, and it supports the future PCI-E 3.0 slots.

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

For a budget of $1500, we can at least include a 1600MHz kit. I'd go for the Ripjaws X 2x4GB kits.

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057

The Hyper 212+ would be a better choice. I've owned two and both performed well; my watercooled system gets about the same CPU temps as my old Hyper 212+, but the GPU temps are what were really affected.

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Absolutely the best drive to pick. It's the fastest and just as reliable as the other drives out there.

SDD: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233194

I'd recommend the Crucial M4 over this right now. The M4 is currently the most popular SSD with the least number of deficiencies.

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121425

A 750W PSU will healthily support an i5 + 2x560Tis, but the price of the PSU could be cut by purchasing a non-modular design. You'll be using all of the cables anyway, so paying significantly more for removable cables doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the TX750, PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750, and Antec HCG-750 and 900.

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

or

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139006&Tpk=Corsair%20Obsidian%20Series%20650D

The HAF X is quite expensive for what you get, and may cost too much for a $1500 budget. The Corsair 650D has issues with air cooling and is generally avoided. If you can save money on the case, the GPU can be bumped up to a 570 or even 580 if you play your cards right.

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121048

Not going to comment on peripherals right now, as those are personal preference. If you have any questions about specific products or features, feel free to ask.
 

madchemist83

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U can save on mobo about 50-70$ there r some decent Gigabyte and Asrock out there
Might as well get 1600 Mhz RAM for extra 10$
For a cooler go no further then CM Hyper 212+
For SSD get crucial m4 they just improved it to run 20% faster
Video card is good and the rest looks fine
Case is personal prefference
 

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first off peripherals look great you obviously did some research. here is a led asus 2ms 23" monitor for less- http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS238H-P-23-Inch-LCD-Monitor/dp/B005BZNEVQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1315363672&sr=8-3

CPU- nice choice

Ram- i dont know that ram is a really good deal but the standard is 1600mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186

Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157264 new gen3 with pci 3.0 for the new gpu's cheaper and future proof

HSF- the n520 is a really basic cooler and for a 800$ build http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185168 50$

HDD- good choice

SSD- good choice

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027 cheaper also silver rated and with both of the cases you listed it turns any psu into a modular one pretty much

GPU- i suggest putting them in sli http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZR/dp/B004JLNZXU/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1315363930&sr=1-2 or getting a single gtx 580 and downgrading the psu to the 650w version of the one i listed above.

Case- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Motherboard-RV03B-W/dp/B004X19B02/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1315363979&sr=1-1 this silverstone raven RV03 cools better than both the cases you listed (yes the HAF X but the fans have to be on high and it is still quieter).



 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131729 $164.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z68-V LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.717976 $453.98
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.730371 $187.98
CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.723284 $159.98
Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
 

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nice find on the case combo. it's like the dvd burner is free.
 

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Wow, I definitely came to the right place with these questions. Thanks everyone for all your input. I will look everything over tonight when I have some time and post an updated system. Thanks again!
 

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1. ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 - PCIe 3.0 slots

2. Hyper 212+ - better cooling

3. HD 6970 - Awesome GPU! Beast in gaming, maxes out every game at 1080p alone.

4. Case - I'd consider something slightly cheaper.

5. PSU - Corsair TX650. Can actually run 2x6970's. Watch out for Seasonic's 620W Model. Couldnt get it for myself due to lack of money.

6. Better go with DDR3 1600. My bet would be RipjawsX 1.5V DDR3 1600.

7. SSD is just fine, so is the HDD.

Best of Luck! :)
 

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CPU: i5 2500k 220$
Mobo: Asus Z68 125$
Ram: 8 gigs of G.Skill Ripjaws @ 1600 MHz 55$?
HD: 1 TB sony F3 7200 RPM 60$
SSD: 64 GB crucial m4 135$
psu; corsair TX 850w psu/950 120$ for 850, 145$ for the 950
case; HAF 922 or HAF X 90$ for 922, 180$ for haf x
some random cd/dvd burner 20$
6970 2gb or a 570 gtx 330$ for either
Hyper 212+ CPU cooler 30$
windows 7 home 90$

1400$ for the better build...tbh i'd upgrade the GPU to a 6990 and then your build would be about 1800$
 
5. PSU - Corsair TX650. Can actually run 2x6970's. Watch out for Seasonic's 620W Model. Couldnt get it for myself due to lack of money.

A 650W can run 2x6970s, but it's nowhere near efficient nor healthy! 6970s use ~225W per card (needs a 75W 6-pin and 150W 8-pin connector per card), and 2x6970s + i5 alone will use about 550W, which is ~85% of a 650W PSU's rated power. This is far out of the PSU's maximum efficiency range (50-60%), and actually puts a good deal of stress on the PSU

An 850W PSU is what we recommend for 2x6970/570s (similar power draw), and a 750W for 2x6950s/560Tis.
 

Any Asus board that cost $125 isn't meant for a dual card set up. It will run dual cards @ x4.
 

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check the toms article about PSUs that was published today/yesterday.

A quality 650W PSU is an underrated unit in most cases so its actually capable of delivering more than the labeled AMPS. Like, my CX430 can run a GTX 570, try it! (you need a molex adapter though)
 
A quality 650W PSU is an underrated unit in most cases so its actually capable of delivering more than the labeled AMPS. Like, my CX430 can run a GTX 570, try it! (you need a molex adapter though)

I'm guessing just barely though, since it only has 28 amps on the +12V rail? Running a PSU at 100% isn't good by any means...
 

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heat kills nice way to shorten the life of your psu
 

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Alright here is the new and improved model.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115072

MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185

SDD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2CCA 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) with Transfer Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148447

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139010

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121425

or

EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151235

Case: Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139007

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236059

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823126096

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104318

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836121048



So this list seems to be a bit more refined but I still have a bunch of questions (sorry)

SDD: What exactly will this do. I have had a computer that used a solid state drive and i am just wondering what the advantages are and whether it is actually necessary for my purposes.

GPU: I was actually under the impression that I had selected a single graphics card. Would it really be in my best interest to use two or should I just use the a single one (like the one I provided). Does this have something to do with sli/crossfire? i still have no idea what that is. Also if I go to one card how should I shift the other components.

Case: The case I picked I saw someone building with in a video and it seemed like a pretty nice case from watching, but i have no idea. I know the case is about preference but I dont really care what it looks like, I more want one that has ample cooling and is well made and easy to build with. The reviews on newegg are not too helpful since it seems that someone has something to bitch about with every case on there. So some guidance here would be great.

I think that was everything I wanted to ask this time around. Thanks again everyone for all your help, you are really making this a much more enjoyable and less stressful experience.
 

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oh and add in this...probably important

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

That brings the computer total to $1436. That is adding the $100 from the OS and assuming I stay with my old graphics card. I also forgot to change the PSU, but I will wait to I figure out which graphics card I will be using. Also with all the suggestion I am very lost on which PSU I should actually pick.

And i just noticed the old links in my post are wrong since, so see above for those.
 

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monitor- http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monitor/dp/B005BZNDS0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315438357&sr=8-1

you can get corsair 8gb 1600mhz ram for 53$. and it isnt red so it wont be standing out like a sore thumb

psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027 silver rated too and with the 600t you do not even need a modular psu because of how good the cable management is

Motherboard- get the Asrock z68 extreme3 it is a much better deal at 125$

if you can afford it a 128gb ssd is definitely worth it. the 128gb verion of that is 193$ it is out of stock but coming back in around the 10th

case- silverstone raven rv03 at amazon for 140$ if you are not going to get the case and dvd burner combo that why_me posted

you can get the msi gtx 560 ti twin Frozr II for less- http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZR/dp/B004JLNZXU/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1315438597&sr=1-2 it has a superior heatsink


 
^+1 to the Raven. I have the RV02 (not the RV02-E) and it cooled pretty well, even with 3 470s. Mine's watercooled now ;)

If you do go with the Raven, get a reference design GPU because the external exhaust is more efficient due to the Raven's design.