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September 6, 2011 11:11:08 PM

Hey guys,

So I am considering building my very own gaming pc. I have tinkered around with computers before and bought a laptop a couple years ago, but I am basically very new to this stuff. My laptop was able to take games pretty well but I did get it 3 years ago so its really starting to be obsolete. I also only bought it because I didn't want to deal with moving around a desktop at school. I am ready to buy something that can handle some high end games for a few years and can be upgraded to take me through a few more.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next couple weeks


Budget Range: Around $1500 would be reasonable, if it was worth it I could go near $1800 but I am not really looking for a super computer.


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the web, music


Parts Not Required: None really. For speakers I was thinking of Logitech Z623 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). I can probably figure out keyboard and mouse on my own unless anyone has suggestions for some decent ones, nothing too flashy.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg seems the best, but I am open to suggestions.


Country of Origin: USA


Parts Preferences: For a processor I really like the idea of the Intel i5-2500, since I heard that the i7 doesnt pack much more of a punch in gaming.


Overclocking: Probably not. I am not really interested in pushing my computer to the limits to really get some more power. I mean as long as it can play the games I want on hi res without any issues I don't need anymore. I also know nothing about it so I probably wouldnt know what I am doing.


SLI or Crossfire: I am very fuzzy on what this actually is but I do not plan on having more than one graphics card unless there is a seriously good reason to utilize this.


Monitor Resolution: Probably 1920x1080, I am looking to just get one 20 something inch monitor.


Additional Comments: I am not really into lots of bling and LED lights on the case, but i can live with it if the case is worth it. I plan to use this computer to play Skyrim on high res, and probably also battlefield 3 and diable 3, but I figure Skyrim will be the most graphic intensive. Like I said earlier I am not really interested in making some sort of super computer. Just something that will play games fine and not give me any trouble or take a lot of work to run. I don't know anything about overclocking so I am not really into using it unless it is very highly recommended.

I would really appreciate some guidance on picking components, I am having trouble deciding on my own since there is soo much information and options out there. I could really use a hand finding the best fit for my needs at a reasonable price. I also obviously know nothing about building so any tips would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

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September 6, 2011 11:17:54 PM

I would advice you to buy i5-2500k cpu.
It's just some dollars higher, but as I have tested both I can say that its better for about 15% it's worth it.
However I don't now where to buy it in Us.
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September 6, 2011 11:33:32 PM

Vatafaks said:
I would advice you to buy i5-2500k cpu.
It's just some dollars higher, but as I have tested both I can say that its better for about 15% it's worth it.
However I don't now where to buy it in Us.



Yeah I wasnt sure if I should get the K model if I wasn't planning on overclocking. The price difference is also very small
September 6, 2011 11:45:09 PM

Chechk if there is a microcenter close by as u can save some money.

Otherwise for case try HAF X. Tell me what u think.
PSU some decent one with 850-950W of power
For CPU probably get 2500k even if u don't know what overclocking is. It's pretty easy. Also non-refernce cooler might help with overall temp on CPU
standard HDD - samsung f3
SSD - crucial m4 128mb
mobo - z68 with 2 pcix slots that can run x8/x8 brands like Asus, gigabyte and asrock will do
some 1.5 V RAM 1600Mhz 8Gb
and probably GTX 580 or HD6970 HD
September 7, 2011 1:29:31 AM

Let me know what you guys think of this so far.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SDD: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Totals:
Computer: $1294
Peripherals: $387
Grand Total: $1681

I took some guesses when picking these parts. Things like the motherboard I really had no idea what was best. As far as the case, the HAF X looks pretty good but I have heard good things about Corsair. Looks wise either one is fine but the Corsair is more simplistic looking which is more what I am looking for. I picked most of the peripherals real quickly without any research, so any suggestions there would be good. But I really am not picky and don't want to spend too much on things like a mouse.

This was a bit of a quick and dirty list so let me know if anything is out of place or I could easily save money somewhere or if I should shell out more somewhere else. Thanks!



September 7, 2011 2:07:14 AM

Quote:
MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 is arguably just as good for only $125 on Newegg, and it supports the future PCI-E 3.0 slots.

Quote:
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


For a budget of $1500, we can at least include a 1600MHz kit. I'd go for the Ripjaws X 2x4GB kits.

Quote:
HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The Hyper 212+ would be a better choice. I've owned two and both performed well; my watercooled system gets about the same CPU temps as my old Hyper 212+, but the GPU temps are what were really affected.

Quote:
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Absolutely the best drive to pick. It's the fastest and just as reliable as the other drives out there.

Quote:
SDD: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I'd recommend the Crucial M4 over this right now. The M4 is currently the most popular SSD with the least number of deficiencies.

Quote:
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


A 750W PSU will healthily support an i5 + 2x560Tis, but the price of the PSU could be cut by purchasing a non-modular design. You'll be using all of the cables anyway, so paying significantly more for removable cables doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the TX750, PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750, and Antec HCG-750 and 900.

Quote:
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The HAF X is quite expensive for what you get, and may cost too much for a $1500 budget. The Corsair 650D has issues with air cooling and is generally avoided. If you can save money on the case, the GPU can be bumped up to a 570 or even 580 if you play your cards right.

Quote:
Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Not going to comment on peripherals right now, as those are personal preference. If you have any questions about specific products or features, feel free to ask.
September 7, 2011 2:09:06 AM

U can save on mobo about 50-70$ there r some decent Gigabyte and Asrock out there
Might as well get 1600 Mhz RAM for extra 10$
For a cooler go no further then CM Hyper 212+
For SSD get crucial m4 they just improved it to run 20% faster
Video card is good and the rest looks fine
Case is personal prefference
September 7, 2011 2:58:00 AM

zlitch said:
Let me know what you guys think of this so far.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SDD: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Totals:
Computer: $1294
Peripherals: $387
Grand Total: $1681

I took some guesses when picking these parts. Things like the motherboard I really had no idea what was best. As far as the case, the HAF X looks pretty good but I have heard good things about Corsair. Looks wise either one is fine but the Corsair is more simplistic looking which is more what I am looking for. I picked most of the peripherals real quickly without any research, so any suggestions there would be good. But I really am not picky and don't want to spend too much on things like a mouse.

This was a bit of a quick and dirty list so let me know if anything is out of place or I could easily save money somewhere or if I should shell out more somewhere else. Thanks!

first off peripherals look great you obviously did some research. here is a led asus 2ms 23" monitor for less- http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS238H-P-23-Inch-LCD-Monitor...

CPU- nice choice

Ram- i dont know that ram is a really good deal but the standard is 1600mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... new gen3 with pci 3.0 for the new gpu's cheaper and future proof

HSF- the n520 is a really basic cooler and for a 800$ build http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 50$

HDD- good choice

SSD- good choice

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... cheaper also silver rated and with both of the cases you listed it turns any psu into a modular one pretty much

GPU- i suggest putting them in sli http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ... or getting a single gtx 580 and downgrading the psu to the 650w version of the one i listed above.

Case- http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Extended-90-Degree-Mo... this silverstone raven RV03 cools better than both the cases you listed (yes the HAF X but the fans have to be on high and it is still quieter).



September 7, 2011 5:50:12 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $164.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z68-V LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $453.98
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $187.98
CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $159.98
Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
September 7, 2011 5:57:45 AM

I as well recommend the hyper 212+, best bang for the buck bar-none
September 7, 2011 2:17:46 PM

Why_Me said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $164.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z68-V LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $453.98
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $187.98
CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $159.98
Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM

nice find on the case combo. it's like the dvd burner is free.
September 7, 2011 4:28:34 PM

Wow, I definitely came to the right place with these questions. Thanks everyone for all your input. I will look everything over tonight when I have some time and post an updated system. Thanks again!
September 7, 2011 7:08:20 PM

1. ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 - PCIe 3.0 slots

2. Hyper 212+ - better cooling

3. HD 6970 - Awesome GPU! Beast in gaming, maxes out every game at 1080p alone.

4. Case - I'd consider something slightly cheaper.

5. PSU - Corsair TX650. Can actually run 2x6970's. Watch out for Seasonic's 620W Model. Couldnt get it for myself due to lack of money.

6. Better go with DDR3 1600. My bet would be RipjawsX 1.5V DDR3 1600.

7. SSD is just fine, so is the HDD.

Best of Luck! :) 
September 7, 2011 7:18:04 PM

CPU: i5 2500k 220$
Mobo: Asus Z68 125$
Ram: 8 gigs of G.Skill Ripjaws @ 1600 MHz 55$?
HD: 1 TB sony F3 7200 RPM 60$
SSD: 64 GB crucial m4 135$
psu; corsair TX 850w psu/950 120$ for 850, 145$ for the 950
case; HAF 922 or HAF X 90$ for 922, 180$ for haf x
some random cd/dvd burner 20$
6970 2gb or a 570 gtx 330$ for either
Hyper 212+ CPU cooler 30$
windows 7 home 90$

1400$ for the better build...tbh i'd upgrade the GPU to a 6990 and then your build would be about 1800$
September 7, 2011 7:22:20 PM

Quote:
5. PSU - Corsair TX650. Can actually run 2x6970's. Watch out for Seasonic's 620W Model. Couldnt get it for myself due to lack of money.


A 650W can run 2x6970s, but it's nowhere near efficient nor healthy! 6970s use ~225W per card (needs a 75W 6-pin and 150W 8-pin connector per card), and 2x6970s + i5 alone will use about 550W, which is ~85% of a 650W PSU's rated power. This is far out of the PSU's maximum efficiency range (50-60%), and actually puts a good deal of stress on the PSU

An 850W PSU is what we recommend for 2x6970/570s (similar power draw), and a 750W for 2x6950s/560Tis.
September 7, 2011 7:24:37 PM

onefearlesssniper said:
CPU: i5 2500k 220$
Mobo: Asus Z68 125$
Ram: 8 gigs of G.Skill Ripjaws @ 1600 MHz 55$?
HD: 1 TB sony F3 7200 RPM 60$
SSD: 64 GB crucial m4 135$
psu; corsair TX 850w psu/950 120$ for 850, 145$ for the 950
case; HAF 922 or HAF X 90$ for 922, 180$ for haf x
some random cd/dvd burner 20$
6970 2gb or a 570 gtx 330$ for either
Hyper 212+ CPU cooler 30$
windows 7 home 90$

1400$ for the better build...tbh i'd upgrade the GPU to a 6990 and then your build would be about 1800$

Any Asus board that cost $125 isn't meant for a dual card set up. It will run dual cards @ x4.
September 7, 2011 7:34:23 PM

@ boiler

check the toms article about PSUs that was published today/yesterday.

A quality 650W PSU is an underrated unit in most cases so its actually capable of delivering more than the labeled AMPS. Like, my CX430 can run a GTX 570, try it! (you need a molex adapter though)
September 7, 2011 9:19:04 PM

^ true story
nice article, cleared alot of things for me
September 7, 2011 10:44:10 PM

Quote:

A quality 650W PSU is an underrated unit in most cases so its actually capable of delivering more than the labeled AMPS. Like, my CX430 can run a GTX 570, try it! (you need a molex adapter though)


I'm guessing just barely though, since it only has 28 amps on the +12V rail? Running a PSU at 100% isn't good by any means...
September 7, 2011 11:07:19 PM

boiler1990 said:
Quote:

A quality 650W PSU is an underrated unit in most cases so its actually capable of delivering more than the labeled AMPS. Like, my CX430 can run a GTX 570, try it! (you need a molex adapter though)


I'm guessing just barely though, since it only has 28 amps on the +12V rail? Running a PSU at 100% isn't good by any means...

heat kills nice way to shorten the life of your psu
September 7, 2011 11:25:38 PM

Alright here is the new and improved model.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115072

MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185

SDD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2CCA 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) with Transfer Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139010

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121425

or

EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151235

Case: Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236059

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823126096

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104318

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836121048



So this list seems to be a bit more refined but I still have a bunch of questions (sorry)

SDD: What exactly will this do. I have had a computer that used a solid state drive and i am just wondering what the advantages are and whether it is actually necessary for my purposes.

GPU: I was actually under the impression that I had selected a single graphics card. Would it really be in my best interest to use two or should I just use the a single one (like the one I provided). Does this have something to do with sli/crossfire? i still have no idea what that is. Also if I go to one card how should I shift the other components.

Case: The case I picked I saw someone building with in a video and it seemed like a pretty nice case from watching, but i have no idea. I know the case is about preference but I dont really care what it looks like, I more want one that has ample cooling and is well made and easy to build with. The reviews on newegg are not too helpful since it seems that someone has something to bitch about with every case on there. So some guidance here would be great.

I think that was everything I wanted to ask this time around. Thanks again everyone for all your help, you are really making this a much more enjoyable and less stressful experience.
September 7, 2011 11:37:03 PM

oh and add in this...probably important

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That brings the computer total to $1436. That is adding the $100 from the OS and assuming I stay with my old graphics card. I also forgot to change the PSU, but I will wait to I figure out which graphics card I will be using. Also with all the suggestion I am very lost on which PSU I should actually pick.

And i just noticed the old links in my post are wrong since, so see above for those.
September 7, 2011 11:37:43 PM

zlitch said:
Alright here is the new and improved model.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115072

MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185

SDD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2CCA 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) with Transfer Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139010

GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121425

or

EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model SH-222AL LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151235

Case: Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236059

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823126096

Mouse: Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104318

Speakers: Logitech Z623 200 w 2.1 Speaker System, THX-Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836121048



So this list seems to be a bit more refined but I still have a bunch of questions (sorry)

SDD: What exactly will this do. I have had a computer that used a solid state drive and i am just wondering what the advantages are and whether it is actually necessary for my purposes.

GPU: I was actually under the impression that I had selected a single graphics card. Would it really be in my best interest to use two or should I just use the a single one (like the one I provided). Does this have something to do with sli/crossfire? i still have no idea what that is. Also if I go to one card how should I shift the other components.

Case: The case I picked I saw someone building with in a video and it seemed like a pretty nice case from watching, but i have no idea. I know the case is about preference but I dont really care what it looks like, I more want one that has ample cooling and is well made and easy to build with. The reviews on newegg are not too helpful since it seems that someone has something to bitch about with every case on there. So some guidance here would be great.

I think that was everything I wanted to ask this time around. Thanks again everyone for all your help, you are really making this a much more enjoyable and less stressful experience.

monitor- http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monit...

you can get corsair 8gb 1600mhz ram for 53$. and it isnt red so it wont be standing out like a sore thumb

psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... silver rated too and with the 600t you do not even need a modular psu because of how good the cable management is

Motherboard- get the Asrock z68 extreme3 it is a much better deal at 125$

if you can afford it a 128gb ssd is definitely worth it. the 128gb verion of that is 193$ it is out of stock but coming back in around the 10th

case- silverstone raven rv03 at amazon for 140$ if you are not going to get the case and dvd burner combo that why_me posted

you can get the msi gtx 560 ti twin Frozr II for less- http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ... it has a superior heatsink


September 8, 2011 12:20:38 AM

^+1 to the Raven. I have the RV02 (not the RV02-E) and it cooled pretty well, even with 3 470s. Mine's watercooled now ;) 

If you do go with the Raven, get a reference design GPU because the external exhaust is more efficient due to the Raven's design.
September 8, 2011 11:12:42 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
monitor- http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monit...

you can get corsair 8gb 1600mhz ram for 53$. and it isnt red so it wont be standing out like a sore thumb

psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... silver rated too and with the 600t you do not even need a modular psu because of how good the cable management is

Motherboard- get the Asrock z68 extreme3 it is a much better deal at 125$

if you can afford it a 128gb ssd is definitely worth it. the 128gb verion of that is 193$ it is out of stock but coming back in around the 10th

case- silverstone raven rv03 at amazon for 140$ if you are not going to get the case and dvd burner combo that why_me posted

you can get the msi gtx 560 ti twin Frozr II for less- http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ... it has a superior heatsink


I considered that motherboard but the one I have listed has significantly better reviews and is only $30 more expensive. But if you and others can vouch for it then Ill probably end up getting it. I am strongly considering only using one video card. If I was to use a single GTX 570 could I go down to something like 650W on the psu? I think I am going to get the case and dvd burner combo.
September 8, 2011 11:42:00 PM

you mean reviews on newegg??? never use those to rate a motherboard. one guy bought an i5 2500 not the k version and it wouldnt overclock (no duh it cant). so he gave the motherboard 1 star. that is the type of reviewers you get on newegg... a single 570 will do fine on a 550w psu.
September 9, 2011 1:32:53 AM

first of all most of newegg reviews are pretty legit. U just have to read it CAREFULLY to actually understand what the reader meant to say
which brings me to my second point

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-...

if this is a review u r talking about which Why-me posted in many of his replies then u r wrong ( he also called a person a moron)
read carefully there is the line where the dude clearly says
"Runs fine at default settings and speeds. I didnt buy a "k" cpu, and this mobo to run everything stock"
whether iit's true or not .. or what is the reason behind it is totally different story
so please do read reviews and not just from newegg but other websites too and consider them
and pay less attention to the people who have yellow circle next to their name

touche
September 9, 2011 1:39:28 AM

madchemist83 said:
first of all most of newegg reviews are pretty legit. U just have to read it CAREFULLY to actually understand what the reader meant to say
which brings me to my second point

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-...

if this is a review u r talking about which Why-me posted in many of his replies then u r wrong ( he also called a person a moron)
read carefully there is the line where the dude clearly says
"Runs fine at default settings and speeds. I didnt buy a "k" cpu, and this mobo to run everything stock"
whether iit's true or not .. or what is the reason behind it is totally different story
so please do read reviews and not just from newegg but other websites too and consider them
and pay less attention to the people who have yellow circle next to their name

touche

i did go to newegg and read the review. i still dont understand why he game the motherboard 1 star and i assumed that is why. "Cons: Won't oc at all.

Other Thoughts: Cant get any oc from this mobo and a 2500k. Runs fine at default settings and speeds. I didnt buy a "k" cpu, and this mobo to run everything stock. I will keep trying a few more days, then return time" the "i didnt buy the k cpu" is kind of confusing...
September 9, 2011 1:50:12 AM

i didn't by those components to run stock that what he means
I know it's a little confusing
it's like i didn't go to a bar to drink iced tea .. didn't here is a form of saying I did something to do that but not the other
he got 2500k cpu and that mobo and he couldn't get it past 4.2 Ghz ( I also saw he's review on some other website)
I think it was all due to flaky BIOS as other review said ( ppl can only go to 4.2 max 4.4 ghz)
I guess since then they fixed that problem cause i've seen couple posts with ppl going to 4.9Ghz on that exact mobo
September 9, 2011 1:53:53 AM

I also agree that that review you cited was ambiguous and very unclear.

Also, there's no need to resort to name-calling. A) It's petty and doesn't prove a point, and B) Why_Me is a well regarded member here who provides good information. Of course there are gray lines on some parts (which GPUs are better, best mobo for the money), but insulting people who know significantly more than you do doesn't make you any more qualified.

EDIT: NVM - corrected (the above statement still stands)
September 9, 2011 2:57:44 AM

that's what I've been telling to Why_me don't say it unless u know it ;) 
don't worry I won't mind
September 10, 2011 1:57:17 AM

Not sure if anyone is still paying attention to this thread but I think I have somewhat finally decided on my system. If you have any other opinions please let me know. Thank you all for your help.

CPU - $220: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO - $125: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $55: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF - $30: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD - $60: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SDD - $116: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - $90: PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II PPCMK2S650 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - $320: EVGA 012-P3-1571-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and DVD - $160: Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OS - $100: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Computer: $1276
Peripherals: $387

Grand Total: $1663

September 10, 2011 2:02:06 AM

R u sure on PSU .. 650W for 570 with future sli probability
no mate u want at least 850W and for sli 950+
September 10, 2011 2:04:19 AM

madchemist83 said:
R u sure on PSU .. 650W for 570 with future sli probability
no mate u want at least 850W and for sli 950+


I don't plan on using sli. And it says 550W min for the card. You sure 300 extra watts isnt overkill? I know nothing about this stuff, I just want to be sure.
September 10, 2011 2:06:59 AM

ok ur build (avg) will pull 550W best to run at 60% of PSU supply output 550/0.6=920
so no it's not overkill
September 10, 2011 6:12:32 AM

madchemist83 said:
ok ur build (avg) will pull 550W best to run at 60% of PSU supply output 550/0.6=920
so no it's not overkill

850w for 570 sli is the standard. although pc power and cooling has a good sale on a 950w psu. silver rated with a 7 yr warranty for 135$ after promo code- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 10, 2011 11:02:40 AM

The PC P&C Silencer Mk II 750W and 950W are great PSUs that are OEMed by Seasonic, and are quite cheap relative to the other offerings.
September 10, 2011 3:11:41 PM

boiler1990 said:
The PC P&C Silencer Mk II 750W and 950W are great PSUs that are OEMed by Seasonic, and are quite cheap relative to the other offerings.

absolutely. compared to the seasonic x series those are very cheap
September 10, 2011 3:55:25 PM

are you sure you want this type of cooler for gtx 570? from what i know this type of cooler dumps heat inside your pc... raising your overall components temps....
September 10, 2011 5:14:04 PM

Quote:
absolutely. compared to the seasonic x series those are very cheap

I wish the 950 had been on sale when I bought my TX950. Definitely would've gone with that instead.

Quote:
are you sure you want this type of cooler for gtx 570? from what i know this type of cooler dumps heat inside your pc... raising your overall components temps....


While they do get hot, the key thing is airflow. As long as the airflow is set up properly and efficiently, there shouldn't be any cooling issues.
September 10, 2011 5:31:14 PM

phenom90 said:
are you sure you want this type of cooler for gtx 570? from what i know this type of cooler dumps heat inside your pc... raising your overall components temps....

with this case i can also set it up to blow directly into the exhaust. so i don't think it will be an issu
September 10, 2011 6:10:38 PM

zlitch said:
You think I would be good with this GPU and PSU combo? (credit to mjmjpfaff for the psu)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-121-...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Again, I will not be using sli or overclocking

no sli...just go with the pc power and cooling 650w psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... also silver rated so that is a plus.
gpu: if oyu wont overclock get the superclocked version of the evga for the same price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the direct exhaust is a good match with the silverstone raven
September 10, 2011 7:26:50 PM

the one you listed has less phases and wont overclock as well. asrock makes great boards that is why.
September 10, 2011 8:09:33 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
no sli...just go with the pc power and cooling 650w psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... also silver rated so that is a plus.
gpu: if oyu wont overclock get the superclocked version of the evga for the same price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the direct exhaust is a good match with the silverstone raven


The PSU i listed is the exact same brand and gives me 750W, seeing as no one seems to agree as to how much wattage i need i think i would be safer with the 750W.

Also, why is this video card more expensive than the one you listed?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

September 10, 2011 8:18:25 PM

I forgot to add that both PSU's are the same price
September 10, 2011 9:33:47 PM

You guys both picked the same PSU haha.

On a more relevant note - I once read somewhere (I think it was Tom's) that the 750W/950W Silencers are OEMed by Seasonic, but the other models are not (it's either Sparkle or a few others) and should be avoided. You'd be safe going with the 750W model, but I'd personally be a little nervous about any of the other models.

2010 List - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/psu-manufacturer-oe...
2011 List - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-ma...



In reference to the GPUs - The one mjmjpfaff linked is a GTX 570 HD, whereas you linked the GTX 570 reference model. The difference really is the cooler - the HD uses a non-reference cooling design (exhausts inside the case), whereas the reference cooler will exhaust outside the case. Since they're basically the same, I'd recommend figuring out how you want the airflow to work, and if you need to get any extra and/or better fans for the case. The airflow makes all the difference in the temps you'll see.
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