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December 8, 2011 2:08:34 PM

need to buy a cpu on jan 10 2012... i thought of this specs
intel i5 2400
Gigabyte H61M-S2P-B3
corsair value select 4gb 1333mhz
ati 6770 1gb gddr5
antec true power 400w
seagate 500gb 3gbps sata
but after seeing the arrival of ivy bridge on q2 2012..im thinking whether i have to wait for ivy instead of sandy..and i heard some info that ivy bridge has intel 4000hd graphics which has far more improvement than 3000 tells that we wont need a graphic card to play games in medium res..is that true ..do i have to wait for ivy so that i will save money on gpu..
December 8, 2011 2:17:04 PM

The performance gains are not going to be huge from SB to IB I think it's like 5-15% depending on the task (except the onboard graphics which is like 300% increase or some crap)... so then the real choice becomes do you NEED the system in January or can you or are you willing to wait?

Personally I am able and willing to wait... just my circumstances though.
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December 8, 2011 2:24:48 PM

Our business model is called Tick Tock. Every other year we release a new microarchitecture, this is the “Tick”. Then the off years we do a die shrink, so going from 45nm to 32nm or from 32nm to 22nm. This die shrink is the “Tock”. As a general rule the best performance gains come from the “Tick” years and small performance increases on the “Tock”. Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor. Next year we will be doing a Tock or a die shrink from 32nm to 22nm.

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December 8, 2011 2:26:38 PM

intel has promised up to 15% increase in cpu performance and up to 60% increase in gpu performance with ivb. other improvements would be native support for usb 3.0 unlike from 3rd party controller. quick sync 2.0, pcie 3.0, up to 3 displays (sb supports up to 2) and so on. according to intel and recently leaked data, ivb would be more feature rich than sb. lower tdp would make the cpus more power efficient than now. z77, z75 and h77 chipsets have been known so far. no news on h61-like chipset. imo h77 is much better than h61 or h67 in terms of stuff it'd support.
if you're building a system to run on igp, then ivb's hd 4000 would be a better solution. however, the same annoyance with sb is present with ivb - all the higher ivb cpus get hd 4000 and others get hd 2500. all the mobile cpus get hd 4000 and higher frequency.
the igp seems worth waiting for, but you should see the benchmarks and reviews first and then decide.
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December 8, 2011 2:39:55 PM

IntelEnthusiast said:
Our business model is called Tick Tock. Every other year we release a new microarchitecture, this is the “Tick”. Then the off years we do a die shrink, so going from 45nm to 32nm or from 32nm to 22nm. This die shrink is the “Tock”. As a general rule the best performance gains come from the “Tick” years and small performance increases on the “Tock”. Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor. Next year we will be doing a Tock or a die shrink from 32nm to 22nm.

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are u saying that i can go to sandy bridge without wating for ivy bridge and what about intel hd 4000 will it serve for gaming purpose like bf3 at medium settings..
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December 8, 2011 3:02:41 PM

vishalaestro said:
are u saying that i can go to sandy bridge without wating for ivy bridge


He's saying that IB is the "Tick" or less significant upgrade... I believe though that this is being marketed as a "Tick+" becuase with the die shrink they are also switching to tri-gate transistors and adding some smaller features... With all that said the SB processors are great and will be a great investment if you need it by that date, at the same time if you can wait you will get up to 15% performance gains. like I said since it is so close I'm waiting but if I already had an SB I wouldn't bother upgrading because they are great chips... but I'm on an AMD 940 which while it is a great processor in itself.. it's been 3 years and it's about my time to upgrade... my internal clock is ticking... and this marks my first move back to intel since the P3 :) 

to be fair I have an i5 htpc and two intel laptops... but my "main" system has been amd since 2000
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December 8, 2011 9:01:51 PM

To nitpick, are you sure that the "Tock" isn't the architecture revision (Sandy Bridge), and the "Tick" the die shrink (Ivy Bridge)? I know this is the reverse from what the Intel Enthusiast guy said, but I'm just double-checking, because I have seen it elsewhere as what I thought it was....


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.legitrev...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock

I know it is a minor point to debate, but I am a stickler for non-technical terms that describe technical things.
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December 8, 2011 9:09:39 PM

you got me... I think I confused myself while typing that and switched them...

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovati...

The Ivy Bridge is the Tick (die shrink) and the next Tock will be haswell (new micro architecture taking advantage of the Tick..)

fixed other post...
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December 8, 2011 9:25:11 PM

Isn't Ivy Bridge expected to come out in March / April 2012?

At this point in time I don't expect average performance increase to be much more than around 6% for the CPU. We just need to wait for benchmarks.
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December 9, 2011 3:07:59 AM

its also said that ivy is more energyefficient than sandy. So in my opinion its worth waiting.
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December 9, 2011 3:28:29 AM

vishalaestro said:
are u saying that i can go to sandy bridge without wating for ivy bridge and what about intel hd 4000 will it serve for gaming purpose like bf3 at medium settings..

imo intel's decision to stick hd4000 with high end and overclockable desktop cpus is the problem here. there might be lower end cpus (i5 3475S) with hd 4000 available after ivb has launched.sb i5 2405S, i3 2105, 2125 (sep. 2011) cpus which has hd 3000 weren't available during launch, they were released 4-5 months later. as for gaming, intel refers it's hd 3000 igp as 'gaming-capable' (LOL). that igp can play some games at lowered settings but it's nowhere near as 'gaming capable' as llano's. i don't think anyone can say if hd 4000 will play bf3 at medium settings until it is released and benchmarked.
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December 9, 2011 5:30:58 AM

Intel IGP will only serve the low end of the gaming market. It allows a budget PC / laptop to play non graphics demanding games (typically older games). The HD 4000 will not be capable of pushing medium quality settings @ 1366x768 with acceptable frames (30FPS average) for most people.

EDIT - This regards to Battlefield 3 which was mentioned above.
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December 9, 2011 8:49:04 AM

vishalaestro said:
are u saying that i can go to sandy bridge without wating for ivy bridge and what about intel hd 4000 will it serve for gaming purpose like bf3 at medium settings..



You said you are going with a 6770 so what purpose does HD4000 serve you. Most performance gains from Intel were made with SandyBridge, the technology involved in the IB is minor revisions and die shrinks, this is not sufficient to call it revolutionary hence why he refered to this year being the tick year and why IB is only the tock. The IvyBridge will only likely improve on the SB's efficiency thats about it.
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December 9, 2011 11:11:08 AM

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovati... this site i saw an info that tick is the 22nm processor..but 22nm processor has not mentioned as ivy bridge it was mentioned as sandy bridge..i cant understand..it is said that the next tock after 22nm is haswell but i cant see any ivy bridge there..
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December 9, 2011 3:01:10 PM

ok... what's confusing is the chip name vs the micro architecture name...

Nehalem (45nm) is the micro-architecture (MA) the first chips released were called nehalem and the die shrink using nehalem architecture was called westmere (32nm).

Sandy Bridge MA (32nm) -> die shrink with SB = Ivy Bridge (22nm)
Haswell MA (22nm) -> dieshrink with HW = Broadwell (14nm) **
Skylake MA (14nm) -> sieshrink with SL = Skymont (10nm) **

**These are future micro architectures so the names may change
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December 9, 2011 4:08:22 PM

so finally whats the idea..wait for ivy or go for sandy
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December 9, 2011 4:40:24 PM

it really is a personal choice. If you can hold on to what you have and it's working decent for you until ivy bridge is out then snap up ivy bridge... if you can't/don't want to wait then snap up sandy bridge... the sandy bridge is beast and ivy bridge's gains over it will be fairly modest.
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December 9, 2011 5:02:57 PM

currently, from the strongest igp to the weakest:
amd a8 3850 and higher > amd a6 >.....> intel hd 3000 (i7 2700k, 2600k, i5 2500k, 2405S, i3 2125, 2105 etc.) > intel hd 2000 (i7 2600, i5 2500, 2400, 2320, 2310, 2300, i3 2100 etc.) > intel hd (sb pentium g850, g6xx etc.).
@op: refering to the first post, if you plan to buy on jan 2012, can you wait a few more months with your current pc? what is your total budget/cpu budget? what are the specs of your current pc?
you're the most familiar with your own situation, so you should make the decision by yourself.
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December 10, 2011 12:54:03 AM

de5_Roy said:
currently, from the strongest igp to the weakest:
amd a8 3850 and higher > amd a6 >.....> intel hd 3000 (i7 2700k, 2600k, i5 2500k, 2405S, i3 2125, 2105 etc.) > intel hd 2000 (i7 2600, i5 2500, 2400, 2320, 2310, 2300, i3 2100 etc.) > intel hd (sb pentium g850, g6xx etc.).
@op: refering to the first post, if you plan to buy on jan 2012, can you wait a few more months with your current pc? what is your total budget/cpu budget? what are the specs of your current pc?
you're the most familiar with your own situation, so you should make the decision by yourself.

700$ whole pc
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December 10, 2011 1:18:44 AM

IntelEnthusiast said:
Our business model is called Tick Tock. Every other year we release a new microarchitecture, this is the “Tick”. Then the off years we do a die shrink, so going from 45nm to 32nm or from 32nm to 22nm. This die shrink is the “Tock”. As a general rule the best performance gains come from the “Tick” years and small performance increases on the “Tock”. Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor. Next year we will be doing a Tock or a die shrink from 32nm to 22nm.

Christian Wood
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Not quite

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovati...

The best way to remember this that I have heard is that just as tick comes before tock in "Tick Tock", Intel releases the new process first, thus the tick, and the optimised design later(the tock).


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December 10, 2011 2:06:37 AM

Chad Boga said:
Not quite

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovati...

The best way to remember this that I have heard is that just as tick comes before tock in "Tick Tock", Intel releases the new process first, thus the tick, and the optimised design later(the tock).

Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor.

Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor.
so according to intel enthusiast the last tick was sandy bridge so next should be tock which is ivy bridge..he is saying that sandy bridge is the tick..
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December 10, 2011 3:41:57 AM

vishalaestro said:
Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor.

Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor.
so according to intel enthusiast the last tick was sandy bridge so next should be tock which is ivy bridge..he is saying that sandy bridge is the tick..

He is wrong.

Sandy Bridge is a Tock, Ivy Bridge will be a Tick, Haswell will be a Tock.
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December 10, 2011 8:09:02 AM

so ivy bridge will be surely better than sandy bridge..so i will wait for q2 2012 for ivy..
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December 10, 2011 8:41:00 AM

vishalaestro said:
so ivy bridge will be surely better than sandy bridge..so i will wait for q2 2012 for ivy..

Yes. Ivy Bridge will be better in every way, but not necessarily by big margins and you will have to wait 4 months.
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December 10, 2011 10:57:44 AM

sure i will wait if i get better performance for the price..and to which gfx card will a hd 4000 will be equal..
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December 10, 2011 11:05:54 AM

vishalaestro said:
sure i will wait if i get better performance for the price..and to which gfx card will a hd 4000 will be equal..

meanwhile, you could look into this thread/sticky.
Ivy Bridge/Haswell: News, Rumors & Reviews
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January 31, 2012 11:50:07 PM

IntelEnthusiast said:
Our business model is called Tick Tock. Every other year we release a new microarchitecture, this is the “Tick”. Then the off years we do a die shrink, so going from 45nm to 32nm or from 32nm to 22nm. This die shrink is the “Tock”. As a general rule the best performance gains come from the “Tick” years and small performance increases on the “Tock”. Our last “Tick” was this year with the release of our 2nd generation Intel Core processor. Next year we will be doing a Tock or a die shrink from 32nm to 22nm.

Christian Wood
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It's the other way around:
Tick = Die Shrink or Manufacturing Process
Tock = New Microarchitecture
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February 1, 2012 1:52:48 AM

Intel-Pintel said:
It's the other way around:
Tick = Die Shrink or Manufacturing Process
Tock = New Microarchitecture

Are you sure? :heink: 
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February 1, 2012 2:25:23 AM

amuffin said:
Are you sure? :heink: 


He is correct.
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