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December 10, 2011 2:58:12 AM

Hello, I bought the AMD FX-4100 processor for my new gaming rig, but i've heard it's bad for gaming. So anyone that currently owns this CPU can leave me some feedback? i'd like to know how well it will performs. I will also overclock it to 4.0ghz
If it really sucks i'll have to buy a Phenom II but i don't think i have the money after buying all the other parts :l

Here is what i'm building:

Case: NZXT Phantom

Mobo: ASUS M5A97

CPU: AMD FX-4100

Memory: Crosair Vengance 16GB

GPU: ASUS ENGTX 580

PSU:Cooler Master Silent Pro M700

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 2 TB

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December 10, 2011 3:30:16 AM

Go for the Phenom II X4 much better overall performance and better IPC. Bulldozer was a fail and this is coming from a AMD fan, but I don't know why so many people are buying them though...
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December 10, 2011 4:25:10 AM

Hold off on BD for a bit. Let AMD work out the kinks first. I built a whole new PC for BD, but I don't want to get it if it's not up to par yet. Hear are 2 CPU's you can grab for cheap.

AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is what I have. I unlocked all 6 cores. It says $124 but put it in your cart it will be $109.

AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.20GHz
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
From what I've read you can over clock the hell out of it.

I would go with the 960T it's 95w the 955 is 125w. And you might unlock more cores. Even if you can't you can to over clock the crap out of it. I have mine up to 3.6mhz on stock voltage. I just got it and I'm still playing around with it.
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December 10, 2011 4:38:59 AM

Ok...Now i need money for the Phenom i guess XD anyone up for a donation? ;D
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December 10, 2011 6:33:49 AM

Can you return the FX-4100 for a refund?

16GB of RAM for gaming is not necessary, 8GB will be good enough with no decrease in performance.
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December 10, 2011 6:50:18 AM

if you cant get your money back for it then at least see how it games. if you overclock to 4+ghz i doubt it will bottleneck the 580 much if at all
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December 10, 2011 6:54:16 AM

As above, there aren't many games that CPU will bottleneck if you overclock a bit. Wait until piledriver (next revision of bulldozer 2012) to get another CPU.
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December 10, 2011 7:56:38 AM

forget it, take it back and build yourself a balanced system. it will bottleneck the crap out of the gtx580. Stick with a 560ti or a gtx570 and get a decent CPU like the i5 2xxx series. its a stupid move to pair a gtx580 wiith a low end amd FX cpu.
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December 10, 2011 8:48:01 AM

LOL 580 WITH AN FX 4100! You could have built a kick ass i5-2500k machine with a lower end gpu instead of a 580. Basically you are screwed :p 
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December 10, 2011 10:04:00 AM

amuffin said:
LOL 580 WITH AN FX 4100! You could have built a kick ass i5-2500k machine with a lower end gpu instead of a 580. Basically you are screwed :p 


What? The whole point of a gaming PC is to have a mid-range CPU and a fast-as-possible graphics card.
An FX-4100+GTX 580 would roflstomp a 2500k+GTX 550 in most games. (And one cannot even say that a FX 4100 WILL, per definition, bottleneck a 580 - in some cases it will, in others, it won't. Keeping the 4100 until faster Bulldozer CPU's come out is definitely a sensible option)

Sebax - if you can't return the processor and get your money back, keep it. It's not worth scrapping a 4100 for a replacement only until the next iteration of Bulldozer comes out. It will suffice for gaming - most games are far more dependant on a good graphics card than a CPU.
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December 10, 2011 10:35:45 AM

tulx said:
What? The whole point of a gaming PC is to have a mid-range CPU and a fast-as-possible graphics card.
An FX-4100+GTX 580 would roflstomp a 2500k+GTX 550 in most games. (And one cannot even say that a FX 4100 WILL, per definition, bottleneck a 580 - in some cases it will, in others, it won't. Keeping the 4100 until faster Bulldozer CPU's come out is definitely a sensible option)

Sebax - if you can't return the processor and get your money back, keep it. It's not worth scrapping a 4100 for a replacement only until the next iteration of Bulldozer comes out. It will suffice for gaming - most games are far more dependant on a good graphics card than a CPU.


Actually No. Why comparing it with 550ti? a more realistic comparison:
A 4100 FX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109 + cheapest GTX580 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... $499 = $508
A 2500k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219 + EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1573-KR GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $349 or GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N570SO-13I GeForce GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $369 = $468 or $488.

No comment on which is better...
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December 10, 2011 10:43:26 AM

Memnarchon said:
Actually No. Why comparing it with 550ti? a more realistic comparison:
A 4100 FX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109 + cheapest GTX580 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... $499 = $508
A 2500k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219 + EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1573-KR GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $349 or GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N570SO-13I GeForce GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $369 = $468 or $488.

No comment on which is better...


Of course, you are completely right. But you do understand that switching to a 2500k would entail buying a new motherboard and possibly RAM as well? OP said he's out of money already. The sensible option would be, in case he can't return the 4100, to just keep it and buy a faster AM3+ cpu when one comes out and he has some funds.
A combination of 4100 + GTX 580 should definitely be enough for games.
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December 10, 2011 11:01:09 AM

tulx said:
Of course, you are completely right. But you do understand that switching to a 2500k would entail buying a new motherboard and possibly RAM as well? OP said he's out of money already. The sensible option would be, in case he can't return the 4100, to just keep it and buy a faster AM3+ cpu when one comes out and he has some funds.
A combination of 4100 + GTX 580 should definitely be enough for games.

I didnt said that he can do something about this right now. I just said that the choice wasnt the best one. I agree with you that if he cant return anything the best he can do is to stay with what he has now and when he will have enough money he should go for a FX8120 or FX8150. And why he should change RAM? He probably has dual channel DDR3 1333 or 1600 (which is perfect for sandy). I dont see why to change this.
But anyway Sebax stay on this cpu atm (unless you find a buyer or you can return it). And i would agree with saint7269. Buy a phenom 960T and unlock it. When you have the money ofc.

Edit: One more thing. Did you buy the Western Digital Caviar Black 2 TB the last weeks? If you did then you should ask people before buying. If you bought it before 3 or more months then it was a good deal! ^^
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December 10, 2011 11:08:10 AM

i suggest u to change four parts..from fx 4100 to i5 2320,mobo is Gigabyte H61M-S2P-B3 and ram corsair vengeance 4gbx2 1600mhz. change psu to corsair or xfx, the best brands..personally i suggest u to get xfx pro supply 850w this will be under your original budget and this cpu will not surely get bottlenecked with your gpu..it can handle 2 gtx 580's easily..and on other parts they are the best u have chosen
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December 10, 2011 2:46:35 PM

You already own everything so the easy thing is to keep it. I miss read your post earlier I though that's what you wanted to buy. I was half asleep at the time. :na:  Get a nice after market cooler and over clock it. The FX-4170 is going to be 4.2mhz, so I'm guessing you can hit that easy. There are some games I hear that don't work with BD, but I'm guessing AMD is working on a patch.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO $33.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK LOKI SD963 $28.99 $8.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This what I have It's a little smaller so I could keep my side fan on. I got it foe $2.99 after MIR. Newegg had $6 off a few days ago.
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December 10, 2011 4:24:22 PM

Thank you everyone for your responses. I'd like to point out first that i can't return the 4100 so my only choice is to keep it, i will though overclock it to 4.0 or 4.2 ghz I have heard that for this CPU you don't really need an after market cooler for OC's lower than 4.8ghz since it's temperature doesn't significantly increases.

As of some of you said that i should wait for the next FX's to come out, but what if these are also bad for gaming? i don't want to waste my money more than i already did (or not, i'll have to test the 4100 out)

So I was thinking that if the 4100 doesn't do what i want it to, i will change it in a couple of months for a Phenom II x4 975 (Newegg link)
because i have read many positive reviews about it when used for gaming and luckily my mobo also supports AM3 cpus along with AM3+

Someone also mentioned something about the HDD and I didn't really understood what did he meant, I know that after the floods in Thailand, HDD prices skyrocketed, but what can I do? This is the only piece i haven't bought for my build, but i have no other choice than buy it for $250

So what do you guys think? should I wait for the new FX's to come out or buy the already good and positive reviewed Phenom 975?

EDIT: Also i don't think that an after market cooler for the CPU is my way since it may not fit because of the Ram's tall heatsinks and the big GPU so i'll have to keep my OC's down :p 
Also i think that a CPU with more than 4 cores is useless for gaming and what it matters a bit more is the clockspeed
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December 10, 2011 4:29:50 PM

Sebax said:
So what do you guys think? should I wait for the new FX's to come out or buy the already good and positive reviewed Phenom 975?

EDIT: Also i don't think that an after market cooler for the CPU is my way since it may not fit because of the Ram's tall heatsinks and the big GPU so i'll have to keep my OC's down :p 


I would wait for now and see how the next FX's turn out, If they're bad, you can allways buy a P II 960T. Also, aftermarket CPU coolers come in many shapes and sizes, I'm sure you can find something that suits you well.
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December 10, 2011 5:28:05 PM

Probably, but this time i will read more feedback and reviews before purchasing anything :p 
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December 10, 2011 5:37:31 PM

Sebax said:
Probably, but this time i will read more feedback and reviews before purchasing anything :p 


Good idea.
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December 10, 2011 5:58:09 PM

Drop down to a GTX 570 and get Sandy Bridge (i5-2500k).

That would be the smartest move you could do IMO.

GTX 580 isn't exactly good price/performance, and is quite a silly GPU unless you're loaded (with cash) and are going for bragging rights.
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December 10, 2011 6:04:04 PM

Don't buy a new phenom II cpu... take a look at some online reviews, the fx-4100 isn't that far off from the Phenom II x4 980 even: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-an...

And since the FX-4100 has a fairly large overclocking headroom I would assume that by overclocking you would be able to match its performance, this brings me to my next point, buy an aftermarket cooler and overclock it well. You will find one that will fit.

Buying phenomIIx4 won't be much of an upgrade. You made the wrong choice initially but it's not horrible... you will be completely fine gaming with it and a 580.
Wait until amd's next set of cpu's are released, hopefully they are better, but for now the sensible option is to keep what you have. The only other alternative now which is a large upgrade is sandybridge, but for that you would need new mobo+cpu....
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December 10, 2011 7:01:27 PM

tulx said:
Of course, you are completely right. But you do understand that switching to a 2500k would entail buying a new motherboard and possibly RAM as well? OP said he's out of money already. The sensible option would be, in case he can't return the 4100, to just keep it and buy a faster AM3+ cpu when one comes out and he has some funds.
A combination of 4100 + GTX 580 should definitely be enough for games.

4100 would bottleneck the 580 in almost every scenario.
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December 10, 2011 7:13:51 PM

@amuffin.... please tell him things he should do now, im pretty sure by now he knows that he is bottlenecking the 580.... which isn't really that bad, im sure the fx-4100 can atleast support 60fps gaming so the bottleneck isnt really important
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December 10, 2011 7:40:40 PM

Don't look back, look forward. Keep what you have and overclock the processor.
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December 10, 2011 7:40:59 PM

Yep, keep what you got. Worst case is if Piledriver bombs and you want more performance you could switch to Intel then.
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December 10, 2011 7:50:35 PM

amirp said:
Don't buy a new phenom II cpu... take a look at some online reviews, the fx-4100 isn't that far off from the Phenom II x4 980 even: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-an...

in games that are not well threaded, which is most games it will suck. take skyrim for example http://www.techspot.com/review/467-skyrim-performance/p... the fx 4100 is no faster than a phenom dual core at 3.3ghz or even the low budget A6 @ 2.6ghz......... it is pathetic. a phenom II is a good upgrade for gaming,
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December 10, 2011 7:56:41 PM

amirp said:
Don't buy a new phenom II cpu... take a look at some online reviews, the fx-4100 isn't that far off from the Phenom II x4 980 even: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-an...

And since the FX-4100 has a fairly large overclocking headroom I would assume that by overclocking you would be able to match its performance, this brings me to my next point, buy an aftermarket cooler and overclock it well. You will find one that will fit.

Buying phenomIIx4 won't be much of an upgrade. You made the wrong choice initially but it's not horrible... you will be completely fine gaming with it and a 580.
Wait until amd's next set of cpu's are released, hopefully they are better, but for now the sensible option is to keep what you have. The only other alternative now which is a large upgrade is sandybridge, but for that you would need new mobo+cpu....


Allright, again i'd like to thank everyone for the help.
I have made up my mind now: I will keep this CPU, OC it to 4.6 ghz and wait for the next set of them, read reviews about them and if they are good, buy one. If they aren't good for gaming, i will buy a Phenom cpu, not necessarily the 975, but one that doesn't bottleneck my GPU.

I will NOT buy Intel CPU's mostly because of two reasons: 1. My Mobo is for AMD CPU's and i don't really want to buy a new mobo 2. I personally prefer AMD over Intel.

Thanks to amirp, tulx, and everyone else that helped me.

EDIT: I like this benchmarks http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-perfor... the OC'd 4100 reached 68-82 FPS on High settings, i'd guess that 58-72 FPS on ultra settings which i think is just fine.

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December 10, 2011 7:58:24 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
in games that are not well threaded, which is most games it will suck. take skyrim for example http://www.techspot.com/review/467-skyrim-performance/p... the fx 4100 is no faster than a phenom dual core at 3.3ghz or even the low budget A6 @ 2.6ghz......... it is pathetic. a phenom II is a good upgrade for gaming,


The FX 4100 is meant to be overclocked. The Skyrim benchmark is at 3,6 GHz. Good air cooling could easely squeez another GHz out of it and it will get around 60 frames, which will be more than fine.
In any case, waiting for the next version of FX's is definitely the best option.
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December 10, 2011 8:02:11 PM

Sebax said:
Thanks to amirp, tulx, and everyone else that helped me.


You're welcome, mate.
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December 10, 2011 8:13:07 PM

tulx said:
The FX 4100 is meant to be overclocked. The Skyrim benchmark is at 3,6 GHz. Good air cooling could easely squeez another GHz out of it and it will get around 60 frames, which will be more than fine.
In any case, waiting for the next version of FX's is definitely the best option.

60 fps average. have you played skyrim? it will dip down to the low 20's with a slow cpu in some areas. It doesnt really matter since he has no more money anyway so he may as well keep it and OC the crap out of it.
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December 10, 2011 8:21:23 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
in games that are not well threaded, which is most games it will suck. take skyrim for example http://www.techspot.com/review/467-skyrim-performance/p... the fx 4100 is no faster than a phenom dual core at 3.3ghz or even the low budget A6 @ 2.6ghz......... it is pathetic. a phenom II is a good upgrade for gaming,



hm I see your point, but overclocking the FX-4100 from 3.6 to 4.6 is a fairly large increase, that should increase the performance enough to not warrant a new CPU purchase for this and other games. I still think it would be a waste of money to go with phenomII x4 at this point. Obviously if he was buying new the older AMD cpu's (or imo i3/i5) would be the best choices.
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December 10, 2011 8:23:00 PM

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60 fps average. have you played skyrim? it will dip down to the low 20's with a slow cpu in some areas. It doesnt really matter since he has no more money anyway so he may as well keep it and OC the crap out of it.



but then so would the phenom II x4... that would drop as well as the fx-4100 in cpu intense areas, I don't see your point here.

If he overclocks to reach the same avg of the phenom then wouldnt they both experience similar drops in performance in cpu intense areas?
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December 10, 2011 8:49:11 PM

Your CPU is fine, just overclock it as much as you can and upgrade later when your games become unplayable.
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December 10, 2011 9:50:29 PM

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Go for the Phenom II X4 much better overall performance and better IPC. Bulldozer was a fail and this is coming from a AMD fan, but I don't know why so many people are buying them though...


Complete FUD. I can't believe he's telling you to buy an older more power hungry X4. :pfff: 

The 4100 will do 4.6ghz and use less wattage than a X4, and it's cheaper than a X4 with the promo right now.

Fanboys are gonna tell you all kinds of FUD, but the truth is a 4100 will throw the same framerates in 9 out of 10 games as a 2600K will when your only using a single video card. The bottleneck will be the video card before it's the cpu.

Another reason BD didn't do well in benchmarks is because it's a fact that Windows 7 and older OS's cannot recognize BD's 2 module per core architecture and therefore cannot place threads in the correct optimal order and instead places them randomly out of order. Windows 8 should bring at least a 20% performance increase with the same benchmarks.
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December 11, 2011 2:48:04 AM

keep your fx 4100, overclock the hell out of it, get a nice gpu and you will be good to!
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December 11, 2011 9:23:01 AM

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Complete FUD. I can't believe he's telling you to buy an older more power hungry X4. :pfff: 

The 4100 will do 4.6ghz and use less wattage than a X4, and it's cheaper than a X4 with the promo right now.

Fanboys are gonna tell you all kinds of FUD, but the truth is a 4100 will throw the same framerates in 9 out of 10 games as a 2600K will when your only using a single video card. The bottleneck will be the video card before it's the cpu.

Another reason BD didn't do well in benchmarks is because it's a fact that Windows 7 and older OS's cannot recognize BD's 2 module per core architecture and therefore cannot place threads in the correct optimal order and instead places them randomly out of order. Windows 8 should bring at least a 20% performance increase with the same benchmarks.

you have no idea. im not a fanboy telling fud, it sounds like you are the fanboy. my core 2 duo was my first intel cpu, its 5 years old and faster pre-core than a brand new FX cpu......that really tells you something how good amd's new tech is. sometimes older is better and this is one case where that is true. even if it gets 20% better with win8, it will only be slightly faster than a phenom II core. The fact is, it has a poor FP and cache system and no operating system can change that.
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December 11, 2011 7:03:14 PM

Did no one else see him saying hes going to spend 250 on a hd and its not a ssd. Dude for 250 you can get a nice ssd right now or spend 180 on a 128 gig and get a second drive for backup. ssd will speed your pc up. Plextor or samsung would help that amd fx feel faster.
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December 11, 2011 9:05:23 PM

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Did no one else see him saying hes going to spend 250 on a hd and its not a ssd. Dude for 250 you can get a nice ssd right now or spend 180 on a 128 gig and get a second drive for backup. ssd will speed your pc up. Plextor or samsung would help that amd fx feel faster.


Here is an Intel SSD i found: Intel 510 Series 120 GB SSD This drive costs $280 and it is only 120 GB

Here is the WD HDD i'm getting: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB This drive may be slower, but it is a 2 TB drive and for only $250

In my oppinion, the HDD is the best option.
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December 11, 2011 9:35:50 PM

Thats a nice HDD. And it will be more then fast enough for your needs. The $250 sucks but at lest there thronging in a free case. :) 
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December 11, 2011 10:17:24 PM

saint7269 said:
Thats a nice HDD. And it will be more then fast enough for your needs. The $250 sucks but at lest there thronging in a free case. :) 


Heh yeah! but i already have a case :p  i'll probably sell or something, but i think the HDD is really nice
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December 11, 2011 11:17:36 PM

Craig's List is great. I sold my old setup after my update last summer.
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December 12, 2011 5:51:55 AM

I just can't see needing a 2tb drive and to give up on speed for it. when you could do a 128 ssd and 1tb drive.
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December 12, 2011 3:59:39 PM

smokeymicpot42 said:
I just can't see needing a 2tb drive and to give up on speed for it. when you could do a 128 ssd and 1tb drive.


I know that SSD are really faster and stuff I've heard that they can boot Windows in 10 secs, but they are really expensive, a 1tb hd+the ssd would be about $350
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December 13, 2011 11:57:42 AM

smokeymicpot42 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 2 tb for 109.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

samsung ssd for 119.00 witch is 238.00 shipped second fastest ssd on the market.


Its not hard to find good deals and keep speed at maxx.


I believe that Windows you need at least 80GB for it's files and stuff and that will make, but anyways i will get a 120gb SSD and a 2 tb drive, found a nice deal $260 for both
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December 13, 2011 10:32:27 PM

it only used 28.00 gigs on my ssd but i knew you would see the light. You will love the ssd i promise. Just make sure the ssd is sata 3 6.0 gig.
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December 13, 2011 10:46:19 PM

For all the people telling him to wait and get a Phenom II remeber he would have to get the Phenom pretty much now. They're being phased out and there are some Phenom II's at places like New Egg that are already sold out. They're gone and thats it they probably won't be getting anymore in.
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December 13, 2011 11:01:47 PM

Yea the 1100t is gone so best chip amd now is the amd 8120. it can hold its own.
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December 13, 2011 11:59:16 PM

If i had any money i would get the 975 right away :l
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