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Geforce 570 1.2 MB vs Nvidia 6950 2.0 MB

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July 10, 2011 5:26:57 PM

Hello,

I'm purchasing a gaming computer for my son and have a choice between the above video cards/memory (Geforce 570 with 1.2 MB or Nvidia 6950 with 2.0 MB). I understand the 570 benchmarks are slightly higher than the 6950's but I'm not sure how the memory factors into the picture. The Nvidia is $200 more and has a 64 MB SSD hard drive but I'm thinking that the Geforce might be the better purchase. Any advice?
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July 10, 2011 9:49:14 PM

Do you have any links to this gaming computer configuration?
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July 10, 2011 10:12:13 PM

LOL! I'm sure you meant 1.2 GB, also the memory only plays a factor in the resolution, so if your son is playing 1980x1080p, the GTX 570 1.2 is more than enough for him, for years too!
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July 10, 2011 10:20:51 PM

Yes, please post a link to this computer. Depending on the price we will advise you to make one from parts or not. :) 
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July 11, 2011 2:20:34 AM

A GTX 570 is not worth $200 more than 6950.

It looks like part of the $200 extra is for Microsoft Office Starter (which they will charge $99 extra for on the 6950 system if you wanted it).
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July 11, 2011 3:36:06 AM

Sorry if I confused things. The Geforce 570 is actually the cheaper computer.

The Radeon 6950 is $200 more but I get/lose:

64 GB SSD
950 Watt power supply vs. 800
no ms starter
2GB video memory vs. 1.25
1 PCI slot vs. 2

The reviews say that the 570 has higher benchmarks than the 6950 but I'm not sure if this will be offset by the additional GB of video memory, the SSD and the 950 watt power supply. As far as I can tell it won't, so he should get a better video card (and ms starter) for $200 less. I've purchased a 1980 x 1080p LCD monitor with a 5ms?? refresh so it seems from what others have said that the additonal GB of video memory will be of no real advantage at the moment but if the higher refresh rate monitors come down in price in the near future and the new games demand a faster refresh, I might upgrade to a 1ms refresh monitor in a few years time.
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July 11, 2011 3:42:11 AM

Shelley_69 said:
Sorry if I confused things. The Geforce 570 is actually the cheaper computer.

The Radeon 6950 is $200 more but I get/lose:

64 GB SSD
950 Watt power supply vs. 800
no ms starter
2GB video memory vs. 1.25
1 PCI slot vs. 2

The reviews say that the 570 has higher benchmarks than the 6950 but I'm not sure if this will be offset by the additional GB of video memory, the SSD and the 950 watt power supply. As far as I can tell it won't, so he should get a better video card (and ms starter) for $200 less. I've purchased a 1980 x 1080p LCD monitor with a 5ms?? refresh so it seems from what others have said that the additonal GB of video memory will be of no real advantage at the moment but if the higher refresh rate monitors come down in price in the near future and the new games demand a faster refresh, I might upgrade to a 1ms refresh monitor in a few years time.

If you bought your son a 1920x1080 monitor and not doing a multiple monitor setup there is no reason to have the extra vram. The 570 kicks ass and should last for years
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July 11, 2011 3:43:41 AM

In that case, I'd go with the 570 system. The benchmarks tell you the story of performance with the different video ram amounts. There isn't a 2nd area to compare. The only possible, but not necessarily going to happen, is the chance that in the future, the 2GB might give a noticeable advantage (certainly an advantage if you went with a 3 monitor setup, but not 1).
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July 11, 2011 4:23:08 AM

I'd be more concerned about the power supply than the graphics. Anyways...you'll get a much better build for a better price if you start here:
http://www.lucomputers.com/site/system_view.asp?cid=407...
You can customize all the parts you like so we can help you choose parts if you want. I think they charge like $60 shipping. I'd need a Canadian address to check though.

The i7-960 is not top of the line anymore and those systems you linked are overpriced.
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July 11, 2011 4:39:27 AM

I'd rather get the following from Newegg.ca than have to deal with Future Shop's incompetence. At least it's the latest technology and beats the i7-960 in gaming.

CyberpowerPC Gamer Xtreme 1320LQ Desktop PC Intel Core i7 2600K(3.40GHz) 8GB DDR3 2TB HDD Capacity NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit for $1,529.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1688...
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July 11, 2011 4:46:51 AM

Ditch both of those computers and go with a Sandy Bridge model.

Ko888 posted a great build.
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July 11, 2011 4:54:20 AM

Agreed! The Newegg sandybridge is a much better option.
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July 11, 2011 5:09:09 AM

I still think customizing the parts on lucomputers.com is better than the Cyberpower on Newegg.

Also, an i5-2500K is just as good as an i7-2600K in gaming. So you should downgrade to save money if you go to lucocomputers.
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July 11, 2011 5:39:04 AM

Here's what I customized for $1220:
http://www.lucomputers.com/site/view_configure_system.a...

CPU: i5-2500K
Cooler: Hyper 212+
Mobo: Asus P8P67-M Pro
Memory: 4GB (2x2GB) Patriot 1600CL8 DDR3
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB (WD10EALX)
DVDRW
Graphics: Asus GTX 570 ENGTX570/DCII
Case: Coolermaster Strom Scout (Okay, I like Cyberpower's Azza Hurrican more)
PSU: Antec 750W EA750
OS: Win 7 Home 64

TOTAL: $1220.71CAD

+$80 shipping. The Newegg Cyberpower was +$50 shipping.

Anyways, I think this is a better computer for $310 cheaper. You can switch it to the i7-2600K for no gaming improvement and still be $200 cheaper.
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July 11, 2011 7:57:07 AM

http://secure.newegg.ca/Shopping/ShoppingCartPrintVersi...

I made a little setup. I did not get the cheapest components. If you want i can get it to 1200$ but would lose sata 6Gb caviar black in favor of blue model, cl6 at 1600Mhz RAM and cheaper motherboard(a p67, not the z68 i chose) plus a cheaper cooler. Also the case is very good ventilated.

Video card evga dual fan model. The asus posted above is more expensive and with 10Mhz overclock to the video processor.

OS same thing, w7 home 64 bit.

Your first choices war around 1.5k$ . If you want to buy a 1.5k$ PC made from parts you can ad a blu ray writer to the parts i posted and another 4Gb of RAM. Also to assemble a PC is easy. Just read the instructions if you or your son do not know how to do it and do not have a friend that knows. Also you can ask here what and how.
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July 11, 2011 10:51:05 PM

I completely agree that you should build your computer, but if you don't, my post above is a better option than either of the CyberPower builds.

@ionut19--I wouldn't advertise the 6Gb in ANY HDD listing just because it will confuse people into thinking it's relevant. Just say "WD Caviar Blue 500GB WD500AAKS" or whatever it's name is or people will assume you'r adding the extra info because it makes the HDD better.

1600CL6 RAM is kinda a waste of money for Sandy Bridge--unless it can hit 2133CL9. Latency matters a bit less than clock speed and you'd pretty much always do better with higher MHz: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-b...
I have to say spending $50 less on your RAM with these and putting it towards graphics is a better use of money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, the link didn't work.
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July 12, 2011 6:34:08 AM

Don't know why, it works for me. http://secure.newegg.ca/Shopping/ShoppingCartPrintVersi...

It's 1 TB caviar black. And you get higher speeds on sata III than on sata 2. I know you don't get double the speed but it's still a little better. Plus the one you posted in your configuration is also sata III.

Latency matter too, especially if you have it at that speed and with that voltage. It's 1.5v so if you overclock the memory you have the room to increase the voltage and get better timings along with speed.

For 10Mhz i would not spend 50$ more :)  .

Does the link i posted above work? If not here(click on spoiler):

Spoiler
Optical drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
OS: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Video card: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

Grand Total:* $1,323.40

Some quotes from the comments:

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Tech Level: High
Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
Verified Owner


5 out of 5 eggsAmazing Stuff

Pros: This may be the best bang for the buck ram out there. I am currently running 9-10-9 @2133MHz 1.6v Completely stable no problems at all. G.skill and newegg forever!

Cons: no way
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4/9/2011 3:58:20 PM
Tech Level: High
Ownership: 1 week to 1 month
Verified Owner


5 out of 5 eggs4 x 2 gb

Pros: bought a second kit of this memory. When running with 4 x 2gb sticks you will need to tweak your settings. Right now Im running 4 x 2gb @ 2133MHz 8-10-8-28 2n VDRAM 1.62 V. High quality memory, I recommend.

Why do i get the filling this is going to be moved to home built systems?
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July 12, 2011 7:39:23 AM

The Spoiler works. The other link is probably stored in your cache. The custom builds site I was linking only offers a dozen or so hard drives. I didn't want to pay $90 for a Caviar Black when I'm used to Newegg.com $50 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB deals (going on currently).

I'll have to look into some benchmarks on HDDs on SATA III vs SATA II. I hadn't heard of anything beating the Spinpoint F3 1TB by any decisive margin--and especially not by a margin wide enough to justify the price difference between it and a Caviar Black (assuming you can find a Spinpoint F3 for $60). Do you have any references you can recommend for HDD benchies?
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July 12, 2011 11:04:56 AM

The difference is minimal to none. Might be at transfer speeds but the HDD's can't even max out sata 2 bandwidth so..just newer tech. I haven't checked if the samsung has 64mb of cache. But again, not many applications saturate the 32mb buffer.

As for samsung f3 vs caviar black, i don't even look at that. Always heard that samsung has more RMA's, higher breakdown percentage. Never used samsung before so i recommend only what worked for me.
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July 12, 2011 4:37:21 PM

I agree with dalauder 2600k is not worth the extra money, but i'd add some more ram to have 8GB *2x4GB* and i think that 570 on lucomputers is a bit overpriced...
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July 12, 2011 11:07:39 PM

From what I can tell, most people here have been recommending the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for most HDDs for the last 10 months or more and I've never heard about problems with quality. I've had three running great for nearly a year now. It's only got the 32MB buffer (8,000,000,000x bigger than "mb"), but that doesn't seem to hurt it in any benchmarks I've seen.

Nevertheless, the Samsung's not on lucocomputers and costs too much on Newegg.ca.

@shrkbay--I haven't seen a GTX 570 for much cheaper than that on prebuilts. If you know a better deal, please share.

I didn't recommend 8GB of RAM because it's easy to upgrade yourself and overpriced on prebuilts. Besides, gaming doesn't use more than 4GB.
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July 13, 2011 12:14:40 AM

dalauder said:
From what I can tell, most people here have been recommending the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for most HDDs for the last 10 months or more and I've never heard about problems with quality. I've had three running great for nearly a year now. It's only got the 32MB buffer (8,000,000,000x bigger than "mb"), but that doesn't seem to hurt it in any benchmarks I've seen.

Nevertheless, the Samsung's not on lucocomputers and costs too much on Newegg.ca.

@shrkbay--I haven't seen a GTX 570 for much cheaper than that on prebuilts. If you know a better deal, please share.

I didn't recommend 8GB of RAM because it's easy to upgrade yourself and overpriced on prebuilts. Besides, gaming doesn't use more than 4GB.

I agree - getting the core uild if thats what you are wanting done by someone else, get it as cheap as possible with the intention of upgrading things yourself later on - ram is a perfect example.
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July 13, 2011 7:39:14 AM

@dalauder, i cannot share a link, but i've heard that there's a GTX570 available on newegg for 289AR, couldn't check it and can't anyway *can't open newegg anymore, idk why*. About RAM i just said it, because i like number 8 LOL.
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July 13, 2011 11:10:36 PM

It's much cheaper on Newegg (I saw it for $280-something)--but this guy's not building it--he's buying prebuilt. That comes with a premium.
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