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September 13, 2011 6:49:46 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of the month

Budget Range: ~$1300 before rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Running programs like UDK, Finale, and Video Editing, and schoolwork

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, Sound System (although I do want to replace everything but my sound system later, see below)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon, Newegg, any cheap reliable store

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: See below

Overclocking: Most likely on the i5, but if I get the 570 I will have it factory OC'd.

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, see below

Monitor Resolution: +/- 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I just need a future-proof computer that looks cool and maxes anything at a reasonable price.


Here's my build, any suggestions/replacements, compatibility requirements or cheaper prices? A thorough answer is much appreciated. :) 


Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU + RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Case: http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Crafted-Tower-Steel-Chassis/...

DVD: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SATA-Internal-Drive-AD-7260S...

OS: http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil...

CPU: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Which one (must be superclocked and comes with Arkham)? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... After a few months I plan to add another

Cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Extra:


Mouse: http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-Cyborg-CCB437080002-04/d...

Keyboard: http://www.provantage.com/mad-catz-ccb43107n0b2-04-1~7M...

Monitor: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EFYG70/ref=as_li_s...


If you could tell me if they all work together, if there's any replacements you would pick, and the best of the few graphics cards you would make my year. Thank you so much.

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September 13, 2011 7:21:00 AM
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I wouldn't worry about your GPU being factory overclocked, as graphics cards are 10x easier to overclock than the i5, which is already super easy. Now that I look at the offerings on Newegg, the SOC is actually cheaper than the base model after rebate(I know you might not put stock in such things, though you should, IMO):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
So I guess the SOC is a no brainer right now. Perhaps someone else knows if the Classified comes with appreciably better parts. If it does grant more OC headroom, then I'd go with that:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Do you have a monitor? I'm not following as you say you have one, then say you aren't sure on the resolution, then say you plan to buy one. I guess you're looking at that monitor for the future.

The PSU is great, but the RAM is not. This combo is cheaper and better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
The TX750 is plent for SLI 570s.

I don't know too much about LGA 1155 motherboards, though obviously the 2500k is the way to go.
September 13, 2011 7:33:57 AM

cuecuemore said:
I wouldn't worry about your GPU being factory overclocked, as graphics cards are 10x easier to overclock than the i5, which is already super easy. Now that I look at the offerings on Newegg, the SOC is actually cheaper than the base model after rebate(I know you might not put stock in such things, though you should, IMO):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
So I guess the SOC is a no brainer right now. Perhaps someone else knows if the Classified comes with appreciably better parts. If it does grant more OC headroom, then I'd go with that:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Do you have a monitor? I'm not following as you say you have one, then say you aren't sure on the resolution, then say you plan to buy one. I guess you're looking at that monitor for the future.

The PSU is great, but the RAM is not. This combo is cheaper and better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
The TX750 is plent for SLI 570s.

I don't know too much about LGA 1155 motherboards, though obviously the 2500k is the way to go.


I do have a monitor, mouse, and keyboard, but I would like to replace them down the line a bit. Thanks for the PSU/RAM suggestion. Should I get a backplate for the GTX 570 Classified? Does it do anything? :p 
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September 13, 2011 7:35:12 AM

LOL. Priorities: Gaming first, school work last.

I can see you been doing your research, you got some great components there. I5 2500k is definitely the best gaming CPU for the money right now. As for ram I would stick with DDR3 1600 @ 1.5v which is best for Sandybridge. U only need that powerful of a psu if you are definitely going to SLI your GPU cards. But if you do the 570 SLI will rock. One 570 stock OC will not run some of the more GPU demanding games at max settings with decent framerates. I was going to get that case until I saw it set-up at Microcenter. I guess it's been displayed for a while and it did not age well with the white.
September 13, 2011 7:48:23 AM

Btw one huge tip. I bought my i5 2500k at microcenter and a week or two later they sent me multiple 20% off Coupons for items like any GPUs, PSU, tower caes, fans. You could pretty much get your rest of your system cheaper. Now the way that I did it is find components already on sale at micro center then stack it with the additional 20% off and you come out with huge savings. You can find these coupons anywhere cause they come personalized with your name on them. Best deal I got was my EVGA GTX 590 Classified Limited Edition for $520+ tax. That was with the coupon and the manager took off extra because someone opened the box, which was new and I complained.

So all the extra money you save you can buy 2 570s (cause the 20% will work on 2 GPU so u get 20% off both and still be around you 1300 budget, give or take.

Edit: you can't find these coupons just anywhere cause they are personalized
September 13, 2011 7:49:46 AM

Swolern said:
LOL. Priorities: Gaming first, school work last.

I can see you been doing your research, you got some great components there. I5 2500k is definitely the best gaming CPU for the money right now. As for ram I would stick with DDR3 1600 @ 1.5v which is best for Sandybridge. U only need that powerful of a psu if you are definitely going to SLI your GPU cards. But if you do the 570 SLI will rock. One 570 stock OC will not run some of the more GPU demanding games at max settings with decent framerates. I was going to get that case until I saw it set-up at Microcenter. I guess it's been displayed for a while and it did not age well with the white.


Would an 850w PSU be enough for two in SLI?
September 13, 2011 7:51:03 AM

Swolern said:
Btw one huge tip. I bought my i5 2500k at microcenter and a week or two later they sent me multiple 20% off Coupons for items like any GPUs, PSU, tower caes, fans. You could pretty much get your rest of your system cheaper. Now the way that I did it is find components already on sale at micro center then stack it with the additional 20% off and you come out with huge savings. You can find these coupons anywhere cause they come personalized with your name on them. Best deal I got was my EVGA GTX 590 Classified Limited Edition for $520+ tax. That was with the coupon and the manager took off extra because someone opened the box, which was new and I complained.

So all the extra money you save you can buy 2 570s (cause the 20% will work on 2 GPU so u get 20% off both and still be around you 1300 budget, give or take.


Ok, thanks a ton for the tip. :) 
September 13, 2011 8:00:47 AM

QwertyMusicMan said:
Would an 850w PSU be enough for two in SLI?


Yes it would be more than enough. The 750w would probably do also but it would be close. Especially with overclocks I would be safe and go with the 850w.
September 13, 2011 9:24:00 AM

Take a serious look at 2 x 4GB 1866 RAM - it has seriously dropped in price. Newegg had Gskill on sale the other day for $65. I have 1600 RAM and it bottlenecks my computer (it is the slowest component in my 2600K build). Windows rates it at 7.6 out of 7.9.
September 13, 2011 10:59:39 AM

flong said:
Take a serious look at 2 x 4GB 1866 RAM - it has seriously dropped in price. Newegg had Gskill on sale the other day for $65. I have 1600 RAM and it bottlenecks my computer (it is the slowest component in my 2600K build). Windows rates it at 7.6 out of 7.9.


8gb 1600 ram Bottleneck what? Flying the space shuttle. No but really gaming does not use that much ram. Only thing that uses so much ram is probably some extreme video editing. I have an i5 2500k with that exact ram and a OC GTX 590 and the most graphical intense games only use 25-30% of the ram. I did read an article the differences in performance between 1600 and 2000 MHz and in gaming performance it made a difference of 1-2 FPS. Not worth it. If you really feel the need to have higher ram just buy the 1600MHz running at 1.5v CL8 and you will be able to overclock it in the future if you really want to.
September 13, 2011 2:03:46 PM

flong said:
Take a serious look at 2 x 4GB 1866 RAM - it has seriously dropped in price. Newegg had Gskill on sale the other day for $65. I have 1600 RAM and it bottlenecks my computer (it is the slowest component in my 2600K build). Windows rates it at 7.6 out of 7.9.


I'm pretty sure that you can't bottleneck a computer with 8GB 1600 RAM unless you're running an Overclocked best processor on the market coupled with three overclocked 590s. For gaming, at least.
September 16, 2011 10:27:36 PM

Swolern said:
8gb 1600 ram Bottleneck what? Flying the space shuttle. No but really gaming does not use that much ram. Only thing that uses so much ram is probably some extreme video editing. I have an i5 2500k with that exact ram and a OC GTX 590 and the most graphical intense games only use 25-30% of the ram. I did read an article the differences in performance between 1600 and 2000 MHz and in gaming performance it made a difference of 1-2 FPS. Not worth it. If you really feel the need to have higher ram just buy the 1600MHz running at 1.5v CL8 and you will be able to overclock it in the future if you really want to.


According to Windows 7 WEI, the 1600 RAM in my system is rated at 7.6, which is the slowest, lowest rated component in my system. Everything else hits the maximum of 7.9.

The Windows 7 rating does not specify exactly how this affects each use of the RAM and so I cannot comment on that.

The difference between 1600 and 1866 or 2133 is 3%-5% which you are correct in pointing out is not earth shaking. However, 5% is 5% and since 1866 RAM and 2133 RAM have plummeted in price, I am recommending that builders go after that extra bump in performance.

I think that the key is not how much RAM is being used, but how fast the RAM responds. The 2133 RAM is faster than the 1600 RAM in every day requirements.
For example, Gskill 2133 2 x 4 GB RAM CL11 was on sale at Newegg for $75 a couple of weeks ago. Though this RAM has high latency (CL11) it still is much faster than the 1866 CL 9 RAM.
September 16, 2011 10:36:32 PM

QwertyMusicMan said:
I'm pretty sure that you can't bottleneck a computer with 8GB 1600 RAM unless you're running an Overclocked best processor on the market coupled with three overclocked 590s. For gaming, at least.


Yeah I thought that too until after I built mine and Windows rated my RAM as the slowest component in my system (I have a Corsair GT Force 3 running the operating system). I don't know how significant the lower 7.6 rating is from the maximum 7.9 rating is but one thing is for sure, the 1600 RAM is the slowest part of the chain.

You are correct in pointing out that in different real-world situations, this may play out differently. I think if I upgraded that my system may respond as second or two faster and those seconds add up during the year and so it may be worth it.

1600 RAM Will quickly become known as slow RAM as everything is moving to higher speeds. That is why I am suggesting 1866 or 2133 RAM. Heck I paid $75 for my RAM 6 months ago and it was a screaming deal. Now you can get the same RAM for $50 -$55 and 1866 for $60 - $65 and 2133 for $75.
September 16, 2011 10:40:27 PM

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September 17, 2011 8:29:30 AM

flong said:
Yeah I thought that too until after I built mine and Windows rated my RAM as the slowest component in my system (I have a Corsair GT Force 3 running the operating system). I don't know how significant the lower 7.6 rating is from the maximum 7.9 rating is but one thing is for sure, the 1600 RAM is the slowest part of the chain.

You are correct in pointing out that in different real-world situations, this may play out differently. I think if I upgraded that my system may respond as second or two faster and those seconds add up during the year and so it may be worth it.

1600 RAM Will quickly become known as slow RAM as everything is moving to higher speeds. That is why I am suggesting 1866 or 2133 RAM. Heck I paid $75 for my RAM 6 months ago and it was a screaming deal. Now you can get the same RAM for $50 -$55 and 1866 for $60 - $65 and 2133 for $75.


2133Hz for $75. Damn that is cheap.
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