Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question
Closed

Is the x4 955 outdated?

Last response: in CPUs
Share
December 14, 2011 2:13:53 AM

I would buy the i5 2500, but its quite more expensive. Will the x4 955 be able to play modern games and future games at high settings at a good fps; paired with a Raedon 6850? People say that I should get the 2500, but it goes over my budget.

Thanks.

More about : 955 outdated

Best solution

a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 2:32:46 AM

The 955 is good enough for a 6850. Yes, it is getting outdated, but it's such a good product that it manages to remain the best processor for midrange builds.
If you were to get a 2500K, it would last you a few years, but if you're on a tight budget go 955.
Share
December 14, 2011 2:34:43 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
I would buy the i5 2500, but its quite more expensive. Will the x4 955 be able to play modern games and future games at high settings at a good fps; paired with a Raedon 6850? People say that I should get the 2500, but it goes over my budget.

Thanks.

I run a Phenom II 955 @ 3.6ghz and it is a very good gaming cpu for cheap too however the problem in my rig is my GTX 275 which is the weak point. For you that will be a stonking good little gaming rig paired with a 6850 and you will be running BF3 on high settings.
Score
0
Related resources
December 14, 2011 3:41:52 AM

How long would you say until the 955 is incapable of pretty good performance?
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 3:48:51 AM

Hard to tell what upcoming games require, but I will be soon using a 6870 on an athlon x3 (ill try unlocking when i get an aftermarket HSF) :D 

If that helps any...
Score
0
a c 172 à CPUs
December 14, 2011 3:53:35 AM

"Is the x4 955 outdated?"

Yes, but so is my OC'd Q9550, but it is still a competent system.
Score
0
December 14, 2011 3:59:43 AM

i'm actually running a phenom ii 955 and a 6850 and i can play most games on high at 1080p
Score
0
December 14, 2011 4:00:02 AM

I think I'll be going with that then. Thanks for making my decision somewhat easier.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 4:03:31 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
How long would you say until the 955 is incapable of pretty good performance?


Yeah I know plenty of people still sporting a Q6600 that can play whatever they like. The X4 955 is what, 3 years old? But its a former flagship CPU, a quad core that runs at 3.2 Ghz and can be easily overclocked to 3.6 or higher. A graphics update is a good idea. But I would say that probably in the next couple of years you might consider it to be obsolete. Maybe 3 years tops. But I dunno, most current software barely uses 4 cores so mostly it depends on how quickly software devs utilize multiple cores. Which is something they have been slow to do.

Also considering windows convergence with phones, utilizing faster hardware is not a focus right now. Mobility is king, so superfast desktops are kinda becoming a thing of the past.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 4:07:23 AM

Outdated perhaps, will software sooner outstrip its cababilities, probably. Is it a good alternative to the more expensive Intel chips, yes.


Simple answer, if you can buy a intel 2XXX chip do it, if not the 955BE is sufficient.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 5:17:50 AM

with the 955 you'll max anything you'll want right now
Score
0
December 14, 2011 8:06:36 AM

overclock it to 3.8 and it will last a long time. I would think the 6850 is holding you back more.
Score
0
a c 478 à CPUs
December 14, 2011 8:26:40 AM

The X4 955 is a bit outdated, but still capable of playing games since most games are limited by the graphics card, not the CPU... as long as the CPU is fast enough.

My C2Q Q9450 is more or less equal to the X4 955 / X4 960 and it still holds up well. I might wait until Intel's Haswell CPU comes out in 2013 before I upgrade. By then the Q9450 will be 5 years old.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 8:51:49 AM

It is outdated, does it perform? yes it will perform all current software and apps, games whatever the case may be, as well as any new generation processor. Will it last as long, no it will not, in the age where Intel at least are making the CPU do more in less time, old technology will not keep up.


If you can avoid going so far back, rather do that and buy a new generation processor, you will avoid end of lining yourself with a dead end chip in the short term. The 955 will be outstriped within the foreseeable future.
Score
0
December 14, 2011 9:43:37 PM

Is this a good motherboard for the 2500
MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 10:15:26 PM

Running 965 (955 with 0.2Ghz more), alongside a 6970. (See my spec list of you want to see more)

Anyways, I have no interest in upgrading my CPU, I am perfectly happy with my system.

And, YES, I do have cash to burn on it, it's not as if I'm financially limited, however, I see a CPU upgrade from this point redundant for my needs, gaming!
Score
0
December 14, 2011 10:26:19 PM

N.Broekhuijsen said:
Running 965 (955 with 0.2Ghz more), alongside a 6970. (See my spec list of you want to see more)

Anyways, I have no interest in upgrading my CPU, I am perfectly happy with my system.

And, YES, I do have cash to burn on it, it's not as if I'm financially limited, however, I see a CPU upgrade from this point redundant for my needs, gaming!

Cleev seems to think we need an i52500k to play games otherwise drops of below 30fps are eminent. I am trying to disprove his BS claims but he is a stickler for Intel gaming when I know for a fact a Phenom II 955 or better is perfect as a gaming CPU and that includes high end high res gaming.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 11:05:39 PM

Headspin_69 said:
Cleev seems to think we need an i52500k to play games otherwise drops of below 30fps are eminent. I am trying to disprove his BS claims but he is a stickler for Intel gaming when I know for a fact a Phenom II 955 or better is perfect as a gaming CPU and that includes high end high res gaming.

I haven't read his post, but I call BS.

I'm using a 27" 2560*1440 screen, which is about 1.7x as many pixels as the ordinary fullHD, and I still get damn good framerates, basically maxing out any game and getting in the 40-50's frames depending on the game. My graphics card is still the bottleneck of my system, so hereby I disprove his claims. :lol: 
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 14, 2011 11:10:17 PM

wait, who's cleev?
Score
0
December 14, 2011 11:20:53 PM

N.Broekhuijsen said:
wait, who's cleev?

Cleev is a senior hardware Editor for TH which is funny that he does not understand that a Phenom II 955 and above is a very good gaming CPU even still today being it is getting older.Cleev seems to think that all Phenom II CPUs choke at high settings and when AA/AF is cranked up to the point where they would bottle neck the GPU so hard that is would be running the game at under 30fps.
Score
0
December 14, 2011 11:30:15 PM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
Oh I see.

I am happy with my Phenom II 955 as part of my gaming rig and so is everybody else with the gaming performance of the 955 that I have talked to so it pisses me off that these Elitist INTEL/NVIDIA fan boys keep trying to trash talk AMD/Radeon with false claims and Propaganda such as bad drivers, and low framerates etc which is not true.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 12:01:19 AM

Just make sure you get an AM3+ motherboard so you have room for upgrading to bulldozer if necessary
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 15, 2011 12:01:44 AM

Headspin_69 said:
I am happy with my Phenom II 955 as part of my gaming rig and so is everybody else with the gaming performance of the 955 that I have talked to so it pisses me off that these Elitist INTEL/NVIDIA fan boys keep trying to trash talk AMD/Radeon with false claims and Propaganda such as bad drivers, and low framerates etc which is not true.

It's a mentality complex: They spent a lot of money, and they expect to be happier with their purchase than we were with ours. In order to achieve this feeling they have to mock us on our lower spending... :kaola: 

Just kidding guys, but there is a point where CPU power becomes redundant. GPU, no NEVAAAAR :bounce: 

Was a long time nVidia kid, then switched due to better pricing and performance! No regrets! :) 
Score
0
December 15, 2011 12:07:13 AM

For future proofing only, I'm getting the 2500. Found a bundle that makes the 2500k only 60 dollars more than my original setup. I will never be a fanboy to anything. :) 
Score
0
December 15, 2011 12:07:34 AM

N.Broekhuijsen said:
It's a mentality complex: They spent a lot of money, and they expect to be happier with their purchase than we were with ours. In order to achieve this feeling they have to mock us on our lower spending... :kaola: 

Just kidding guys, but there is a point where CPU power becomes redundant. GPU, no NEVAAAAR :bounce: 

Was a long time nVidia kid, then switched due to better pricing and performance! No regrets! :) 

I was a brainwashed Nvididiot since the Geforce 6800GS then in 2009 I tried AMD/Radeon or Ati at that time and never looked back.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 12:19:20 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
For future proofing only, I'm getting the 2500. Found a bundle that makes the 2500k only 60 dollars more than my original setup. I will never be a fanboy to anything. :) 

There is no such thing as future proofing in the computer hardware world LOL.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 12:41:25 AM

Future padding? You know what I mean. :) 
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:01:03 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
Future padding? You know what I mean. :) 

Put the money into the graphics and get a Phenom II because to be honest when an OverClocked Phenom II 955 or better struggles to run the few CPU intensive games that will come out down the road in three years time so will a 2500K and the graphics card will become the weak point before a Phenom II 955 does.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:10:34 AM

I think you'll be very happy with a I5 2500. I recently upgraded my system from a AMD X4 955 with a HD6970 to an I5 2500K and honestly, I saw NO difference between the 2 different mobo/cpu setups in gaming. Like mentioned here a few times, GPU's tend to be the determining factor of how your games will play. If you will/may add a second GFX card, the 2500 will give ya more room to play, but for single monitor single card....either the 955 or 2500 will be more than enough. If your going 2500 no chance of forking over the extra bucks for a "K" version? the 2500K overclocks VERY easily....and quite high...I am at a mild 4.2 GHZ now, and I didn't have to tinker with much of anything. (On H100 liquid cooling)
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:15:23 AM

The K is the bundle. But I don't know if I'll oc. I heard it wears out the processor faster.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:19:49 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
The K is the bundle. But I don't know if I'll oc. I heard it wears out the processor faster.

LOL the 2500K is designed to OC but honestly the power of a stock i5 2500 it is unneeded by most of the general public that just want to play games and surf the net etc.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:20:29 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
The K is the bundle. But I don't know if I'll oc. I heard it wears out the processor faster.


Not necessairily true. A good cooler and an OC with lower volts won't do much harm. Eg my H100 on my 2500K with the mild overclock (all stock voltages) probably isn't doing anything to shorten the life of the CPU. You WILL want to use a better heatsink if you do decide to overclock. Search around, apparently people get the 2500K's up close to 5 GHZ....now there is where you will be losing some life with the overvolting and such.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:24:52 AM

Headspin_69 said:
LOL the 2500K is designed to OC but honestly the power of a stock i5 2500 it is unneeded by most of the general public that just want to play games and surf the net etc.


The only bundle came with the 2500k. I looked for a 2500 bundle because I knew that I wouldn't overclock.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:26:26 AM

ru_1980 said:
Not necessairily true. A good cooler and an OC with lower volts won't do much harm. Eg my H100 on my 2500K with the mild overclock (all stock voltages) probably isn't doing anything to shorten the life of the CPU. You WILL want to use a better heatsink if you do decide to overclock. Search around, apparently people get the 2500K's up close to 5 GHZ....now there is where you will be losing some life with the overvolting and such.


Thanks. I'll be getting a 600 watt psu in case I change my mind in the future.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:27:04 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
The only bundle came with the 2500k. I looked for a 2500 bundle because I knew that I wouldn't overclock.

If you want to play games just buy a Phenom II AMD cased system and put the saved money it a more powerful Graphics card and this will net you the biggest upgrade for gaming.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:30:58 AM

According to reviews, the 6870 is plenty good for modern games. I would go for the 955, but for only 60 bucks more for one of the best cards out there, it's sorta a no brainer.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:32:11 AM

TheSecludedRabbit said:
Is this a good motherboard for the 2500
MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


I see everyone else missed this.....so I'll give my opinion. It's a good board. Will do what you need it to. I have used an MSI board once WAAAYYY back in 2005 with an athlon 2800+....never had a problem. If it's a bundle, gets ya what you want, go for it!
Score
0
December 15, 2011 1:42:41 AM

Lol thanks. Forgot I even asked that.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 15, 2011 3:27:05 AM

I don't know why a side always has to be chosen, either you are a Intel or AMD "fanboy", or Nvidia or AMD "fanboy", then you get pigeon holed as being Intel/Nvidia and AMD/AMD(ATI). There are users out there that actually buy a product on performance and affordability, hence why I did not buy a AMD despite having used AMD in the past.


I also don't understand how a person can claim that the 955BE has a longer life span than the 2500K, considering it is a puffed up standard 955 which is now old technology, if you run benchmarks with similar setups and overclocks the 2500K will more than handsomely beat down a 955BE yet the 955BE goes further into the future. My guess is that if the PileDriver delivers comparable performance to the Intel chips, AMD may discontinue the P2 chips sooner rather than later. Then the ultimate contridiction comes when you accuse Intel users (or/and Nvidia) of running down AMD chips with propaganda, all the while running down a Intel chip that pretty much anyone with a ounce of objectivity will tell you is far better than the old X4's :whistle: 

Sometimes I don't understand people.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 15, 2011 3:45:16 AM

...who said the 955's gonna have a longer lifespan? (I believe there's no such thing as a non-BE 955.) All the posts here are about how the 955's surprisingly good, and often the best choice at its price point (recent 2100 developments notwithstanding), not claiming that it's better than the 2500K. It does cost $100 less.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 15, 2011 4:06:28 AM

kajabla said:
...who said the 955's gonna have a longer lifespan? (I believe there's no such thing as a non-BE 955.) All the posts here are about how the 955's surprisingly good, and often the best choice at its price point (recent 2100 developments notwithstanding), not claiming that it's better than the 2500K. It does cost $100 less.



Quote:
to be honest when an OverClocked Phenom II 955 or better struggles to run the few CPU intensive games that will come out down the road in three years time so will a 2500K


It tends to imply similarity of performance at the same period of time, if a chip which is considerably newer and based on better architecture reaches its eol sooner than a aging chip, then there is something grossly wrong with Intel. All in all yes it is great for its price range, it is a quad while Intel only have Dual Cores at that price range so it makes sounder investment sense but a person shouldn't be buying antiquated technology which will require another upgrade short term, this is also induced because of AMD's Bulldozer underperformance. It will be discontinued in the foreseeable future, and you cannot say that AMD are anymore or less economically viable to Intel when you look at the BD reference pricing.

I guess it would be boring without the brand wars.
Score
0
a c 82 à CPUs
December 15, 2011 4:59:31 AM

ph ii 955 is adequate for gaming, but it is indeed outdated. with newer intel sandu bridge cpus one will get higher minimum fps than amd's phenom cpus. even core i3 delivers more minimum fps when coupled with a good gfx card.
the 955 is over 2 yrs old afaik. amd has already stopped ph ii production and focussed on new 32 nm apus. newegg seems to be out of old amd cpus, 955 included.
current 955 owners will be able to get performance out of the cpu for a while. but for new builders, a build with core i3 2100/2105/2120 or a core i5 2400/2500/2500k with z68 motherboard is more recommendable. i5 2500k will last longer than already-old ph ii 955. ph ii will also choke in cpu intensive scenarios like cpu dependent games, multiplayer sessions, low res (e.g. 1024x768) gaming.
besides, currently lga 1155 offers a more possible upgrade path up to ivy bridge. amd offers fx as upgrade to phenom, but it is overpriced for its performance and doesn't deliver as much. trinity will most likely use socket fm2 with backwards compatibility with socket fm2. the next am3+ upgrade will be piledriver which should be available in late 2012.
for a futureproof amd build, ph ii 960T or fx 4100 with a 970/990x/990fx motherboard will be good. 960T is die-harvested from amd's 6 core x6 cpus. it's a better choice than 955 in terms of performance and possibility to unlock 6 cores.
for intel build, core i3/i5 with a z68 motherboard.
Score
0
December 15, 2011 11:01:54 AM

Didn't the op say he was going for a 2500k? Simple fact a 955 or 2500 will run his hd6870 just fine for years to come.
Score
0
December 22, 2011 11:06:48 PM

Best answer selected by TheSecludedRabbit.
Score
0
a b à CPUs
December 22, 2011 11:31:37 PM

Why would anyone ever in the world get a 2500 non-K?
Score
0
!