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July 13, 2011 7:56:23 PM

Hey guys, so it seems people prefer 570s and 580s a lot. Does AMD not have any cost effective competition for the 570, 580, 2 x 570 and 2 x 580?

I help people with builds and I look at the New Build section a lot so yeah

Anyone mind giving me some input?

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July 13, 2011 8:14:39 PM

reaper2794 said:
Hey guys, so it seems people prefer 570s and 580s a lot. Does AMD not have any cost effective competition for the 570, 580, 2 x 570 and 2 x 580?

I help people with builds and I look at the New Build section a lot so yeah

Anyone mind giving me some input?


a 6970 is right up there with a 570

6970 in crossfire beat out 570s in SLI and are very close to 580s in SLI

6970 in tri-crossfire are a bit faster than 580s in tri-sli in most cases.

crossfire scales better than SLI atm, and the fact that 6970s come with 2gb of memory vs 1.5gb on 580 and 1.25gb on 570s is huge when playing in tripple screen display with monster resolutions!

the 6970s are also a tad bit more power efficient as well.
July 13, 2011 8:24:51 PM

So why the eff is everyone getting 570s instead of 6970s >.<
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July 13, 2011 8:27:56 PM

reaper2794 said:
So why the eff is everyone getting 570s instead of 6970s >.<

Some people have noted that the benchmark figures do not reflect the actual experience of living with the cards.
July 13, 2011 8:33:40 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Some people have noted that the benchmark figures do not reflect the actual experience of living with the cards.


Elaborate good sir
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July 13, 2011 8:45:07 PM

Some games symply run better on card vs the other, depending on which card the developer used primarily for their work.

Nvidia cards also have PhysX (that somehow isnt dead yet) and CUDA.
July 13, 2011 8:46:58 PM

What is CUDA? and PhysX is a joke (imo)
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July 13, 2011 8:47:42 PM

reaper2794 said:
Elaborate good sir

Look hard enough around the various forums, read through lots of threads and you might see what I mean.
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July 13, 2011 8:49:36 PM

It swings and roundabouts ATi lead the pack for a bit then NVIDIA do the same, I think NVIDIA are leading again for a moment but ATi aren't far behind. Remember when the GTX295 was Nvidia's best offering and then ATi brought out the 5970, it wasn't long ago!
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July 13, 2011 8:52:23 PM

Kkkk1 said:
It swings and roundabouts ATi lead the pack for a bit then NVIDIA do the same, I think NVIDIA are leading again for a moment but ATi aren't far behind. Remember when the GTX295 was Nvidia's best offering and then ATi brought out the 5970, it wasn't long ago!

And do you remember the topic of many posts not long after the release of the 5xxx series?
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July 13, 2011 10:12:28 PM

reaper2794 said:
So why the eff is everyone getting 570s instead of 6970s >.<

Actually most people just get 6950's and BIOS flash them to 6970's and have something faster and much cheaper than a 570. Have you been living under a rock?
July 13, 2011 10:18:30 PM

I heard the 6950s flashing trick was fixed like ages ago, but people are saying they can still do that

and I like how you threw in a little unnecessary insult :) 
July 13, 2011 10:24:22 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
Actually most people just get 6950's and BIOS flash them to 6970's and have something faster and much cheaper than a 570. Have you been living under a rock?


I'm sick of reading about how effing perfect unlocking is. NO NEW CARDS CAN BE UNLOCKED. It also causes sometimes irreversible artifacting if you do the full flash. And the shader unlock brings very little performance. Have you been living under a rock? Grrrr.
July 13, 2011 10:40:14 PM

Rocks, lol. If you get the fastest and have a 24-28 inch TFT screen then your most likely wasting cash unless you want bragging rights or just some CUDA power for crunching.

In my opinion you can't go wrong with either of the top cards or mid-line cards although crossfire scales better right now. I got the MSI Frozer II and it suits my needs fine and I can max everything out at 19x12 although a certain hires and dx11 patch for a recent game threw a monkey wrench into my evil plans for world domination. I dont have a 64 bit windows anyways..... curses.
July 13, 2011 10:43:21 PM

andrews013 said:
I'm sick of reading about how effing perfect unlocking is. NO NEW CARDS CAN BE UNLOCKED. It also causes sometimes irreversible artifacting if you do the full flash. And the shader unlock brings very little performance. Have you been living under a rock? Grrrr.



Rocks again, nice! I never understood the unlocking myself. Not worth the possible bad side effects when you could do it and there was always the chance of making a $250 doorstop.
July 14, 2011 12:03:15 AM

Exactly. Lol what is rocks?
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July 14, 2011 3:05:19 AM

living under a rock is an expression....like "out of the loop". you do know what a rock is right? I guess i am the one living under the rock since i didnt realise they locked out BIOS flashing in newer non-reference models....... as far as I knew all the reference models can be flashed though. Either way, where im from the 6970 is cheaper than the gtx570 and its faster, so the answer is yes, AMD have a cost effective competitive card against NVIDIA. And many people do buy them over the 570/580. I dont know where you found information that says otherwise.
July 14, 2011 3:13:37 AM

Yes I know that it is an expression, thank you for treating me like I have an IQ of 7. I didnt say I got my information anywhere, I just saw a lotta ppl buying 570s and 580s on the BF3 forums, havent been on Toms for a bit
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July 14, 2011 7:09:58 AM

wasnt having a go at you for the rock thing, was having a go at andrews013......
July 14, 2011 10:09:59 PM

I know what a rock is, smart ass. I just don't know anyone who says "rocks." when referring to the living under a rock thing.
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July 14, 2011 10:15:42 PM

As far as the flashing things goes, it appears that more and more people are having difficulties with flashing. Whether they try flashing to the 6970 or alter their existing 6950 bios to unlock the shaders. Even reference cards.

I found a thread someone linked that was using these directions: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/316974-33-radeon-6950...

They were having mixed results. People with and without reference cards are being successful and others aren't.

I later saw this: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?s=...

It seems some people have found ways around the bios locking that some companies put into place.
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