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GTX 580 or wait for Kepler based gpu?

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July 18, 2011 3:42:51 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum and in need of some advice/suggestions. I am currently gaming with an EVGA GTX 470 SSC FTW edition on a U2711 monitor (2560x1440 rez). So far, gaming on BFBC:2 at that rez and with everything maxed out (except AA and HBAO off) runs really smooth. However, even with the smooth gameplay, I'm noticing some things on the landscape appear as I get closer to it (i.e. grass, trees), so I'm thinking my GPU isn't up to the task to support such a high resolution. Maybe it's the 1280MB of VRam? I don't know, but it's got me to believe that I need at least a single GTX 580 to resolve this issue since it has 1.5gb Vram and more processing cores (??). So, the going back to the main subject, should I hold off for Kepler (6xx Series) and wait it out with my 470 since the problem is minute OR should I just dive in and get one of the many GTX 580's out in the market? Would it be best to go with the 580 3GB version or is 1.5gb sufficient for one monitor at the aforementioned resolution? Please see below for my current system spec.

My current system spec (a bit old now...): CPU: i7 920 @ 3ghz | Mobo: Asus P6T Deluxe | RAM: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 Tri-Channel | HDD: 2x 640GB Wester Digital Cavier Black Edition on RAID 0 | GPU: GTX 470 SSC | S/C: Asus Xonar D2X | Monitor: Dell U2711 | Case: Cosmos 1000

Thank you all in advance!!!

a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 4:44:11 PM

well i guess its just a question of budget???

you got the cash....get the card in a flash!!!

kepler has been delayed till q2 2012

@2560x1440 rez you'll prolly want more vram

good luck
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a c 125 U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 5:29:17 PM

The pop up is from the game not the GPU. The game is told to load only up to a certain distance. You might be able to edit a config file to change that, not really sure.

Anyway I think waiting for the die shrink GPUs is a good idea.
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a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 6:11:00 PM

For me it would depend on your cash situation. If you only upgrade every 3yrs or so i'd wait for the 6x series as a GTX470 is not exactly a slouch. However I wouldn't blame you for a purchase of a 580 now. Only you can decide.
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July 18, 2011 7:34:23 PM

Cash isn't really an issue for me at the moment, but I like to justify my purchases to the maximum extent. I'm no longer a hardcore gamer, but I do play FPS and RTS games from time to time--solely for entertainment and not competitively. Furthermore, I'm not the guy who shoots for higher benchmarking scores, hence my current system spec.

My GTX 470 has been doing well for the current resolution, but I'm wondering if I'm missing out on a lot by not having the GTX 580 with its higher vram. I keep hearing that higher resolutions require more vram, but are they talking about multi-monitor setups or single monitor?

What I failed to mention was my current PSU, which is the Corsair 750TX.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 8:43:03 PM

if i were you i will hold onto that GTX470 until Kepler comes out.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 8:48:36 PM

If you do plan to upgrade for more ram, don't stop at 1.5gb, that's not going to make a noticeable most the time. Actually, most the time it doesn't make a difference, but when at your resolution, some times the 6970 out performs the 580 due to having more ram.

If you do upgrade, go with either a 6950/70 2Gb, or look for a 580 with 3Gb or a 2.5gb 570.
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a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 9:23:31 PM

I'd wait. Although none of us know how Kepler will perform or when it will come out, a 470 is a pretty good card. Unless it seems to be making games unenjoyable, don't upgrade. A 6970/580 would be a reasonable upgrade, but not a revolution.
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July 18, 2011 10:24:22 PM

I really apprecaite the responses!

So what exactly does more vram do? Does it support higher FPS or allows for more things to be on screen at once? Maybe I should hold off until Kepler since my gaming isn't intolerable at the moment. I did see a 570 w/ 2GB and a 580 with 3GB vram, but it seems like they would be overkill for a single monitor, even if it's at my high rez. Am I wrong?

I guess another good indicator for upgrading will be BF:3 when it is launched. If my system struggles, then I guess it'll have to be 580 or greater... Btw, I play most of my games with AA at the lowest setting. I feel that at 2560x1440, AA isn't really needed as much. That's my understanding from googling around...
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July 18, 2011 10:27:26 PM

Some testing has shown that at high resolutions like yours, the 2G 6970, which is normally slower than a 580, can out perform it when a game needs more vram. This is effected due to more ram needed to produce a frame. The higher the quality settings also effect how much vram is needed.
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a c 269 U Graphics card
July 18, 2011 10:58:33 PM

If you wait for the next best thing, you will wait forever.

I suspect you will do quite well with a GTX580. I don't think more than the standard ram is necessary.

I have a evga GTX580 superclocked and am using two 2560 x 1600 monitors. Gaming like civ 5 gets directed to one monitor, the other holds static stuff like email and monitors.

I get a steady 60fps on civ4 . Since a GTX580 is a reasonable jump above a GTX470, I think you will be pleased.

If I ever want/need to upgrade, it seems tha a top of the line graphics card will usually fetch more on the open market.

The only reason I might want kepler is for cooler running, since my GTX580 is in a small case.

As to the ram, GPU-Z shows 570mb used. Don't know exactly how to interpret that.

If budget is not an issue, you could try to find a GTX590.
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July 19, 2011 12:19:41 AM

if i was to buy today with money as no option id get 3 gtx 580 3gb models for a total of 9gb and be done buying gpu's till dx12.
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July 19, 2011 4:37:23 AM

I'm slowly leaning towards the GTX 580 1.5gb version...Based on what Geofelt is saying, I think I'll be fine with just 1.5gb.

Will a plain gtx 580 do or should i get one with aftermarket cooler/pcb?

Btw, you guys rock! Thanks again and again for all your responses!
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a c 269 U Graphics card
July 19, 2011 4:50:26 AM

diversity83 said:
I'm slowly leaning towards the GTX 580 1.5gb version...Based on what Geofelt is saying, I think I'll be fine with just 1.5gb.

Will a plain gtx 580 do or should i get one with aftermarket cooler/pcb?

Btw, you guys rock! Thanks again and again for all your responses!


I like those with double slot direct exhaust coolers.
That gets the hot air out of the case directly instead of depending on case cooling.
A factory overclocked unit does not usually cost much more and avoids the issues with overclocking it yourself.
I have been pleased with this evga unit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 19, 2011 6:35:30 AM

Best answer selected by diversity83.
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a c 272 U Graphics card
July 19, 2011 1:11:28 PM

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