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September 18, 2011 11:30:14 PM

Approximate Purchase Date:1 Month

Budget: $600 - $700 (CAD), can go a bit over 700 if needed.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, School related work, Web Surfing, Occasional Video Editing.

Parts Not Needed: Monitor, OS.

Preferred Website(s) For Parts: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/ http://www.canadacomputers.com/

Country Of Origin: Canada.

Over clocking: Maybe in the future. (1 Year or so)

SLI/Crossfire: Possibly, but not at the moment.

Monitor Resolution: HP w1907 19" 1280 x 1024

Additional Comments: I would like to stick with AMD since this is a Budget build, but if an Intel I5 or I7 can be squeezed in that would be cool but not necessary.

I dont mind Nvidia, I was considering the older Geforce GTX 460. But not sure if its worth buying an older card.

I was looking at the XFX Radeon HD 6850, it's 50 dollars more then the 6770. But i'm not sure how much better it is and if the 50 dollars will give me a significant performance boost.

Also is the Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 Ti a better card performance wise compared to the 6850? because that card is around 200 dollars.

The Games I will be playing are; Crysis 2, WoW (maybe, if I feel like playing it again), RIFT, Battlefield 3, Possibly MW3, Diablo 3.


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Here is the Build I have made so far...

Video card: XFX Radeon HD 6770

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Motherboard: Asus M4A88T-V EVO USB3

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x 4GB)

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Power Supply: Thermaltake Modular Power Supply 750 Watt (80 Plus Bronze)

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Optical Drive: Asus Internal DVD Burner

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB Hard Drive

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Computer Case: NZXT M59 Gaming Mid Tower Case

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...










September 18, 2011 11:55:41 PM

the 6850/68570 would be a way better improvemnt than the 6770. and that motherboard isnt that good for crossfire. get something like a 970 or 990 board, from gigabyte or like asrock they have cheaper priced good boards and those will let you upgrade to bulldozer.
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September 19, 2011 3:47:13 AM

Oh alright, I was wondering do you have any idea when bulldozer processors are coming out?
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September 19, 2011 3:51:56 AM

computernugget said:
the 6850/68570 would be a way better improvemnt than the 6770. and that motherboard isnt that good for crossfire. get something like a 970 or 990 board, from gigabyte or like asrock they have cheaper priced good boards and those will let you upgrade to bulldozer.


another question, can you explain to me why the motherboard I chose wouldn't be good for crossfire?

I found a few, are these the mother boards you were talking about.

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AMD 900 Series Motherboard:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

GIGABYTE GA-990XA-UD3 AMD 900 Series Motherboard:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

GIGABYTE GA-880GM-USB3 REV3.1 AMD 8 Series AM3+ Motherboard

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September 19, 2011 4:13:12 AM

from what i know bulldozers were pushed back until mid october or so. and that board has a second pci-e slot but it only operates at 4x mode which doensnt let the card work close to what it should be.

i found this one, its a little cheaper than the ones you posted which are good
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

and i found these on the canada newegg site. these are the ones i was talking about.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

and the first gigabyte you listed is here also but cheaper

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i mean the crossfire will still work at 16x/4x but no where near as fast as 8x/8x
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September 19, 2011 4:22:23 AM

I wouldn't say no where near as fast, but there is some holding back. (for the record I made sure my board handled 8x/8x instead of 16x/4x.) I say if you can't afford the 8x/8x board don't be afraid to get the 16x/4x. It's still better then a 16x/0x board. (physX card, CF still works, etc.)
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September 19, 2011 5:03:38 PM

computernugget said:
from what i know bulldozers were pushed back until mid october or so. and that board has a second pci-e slot but it only operates at 4x mode which doensnt let the card work close to what it should be.

i found this one, its a little cheaper than the ones you posted which are good
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

and i found these on the canada newegg site. these are the ones i was talking about.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

and the first gigabyte you listed is here also but cheaper

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i mean the crossfire will still work at 16x/4x but no where near as fast as 8 x/8x
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Alright what do you think of two 6770's? Or should i just wait untill i can buy one more 6850 ? Also i think i saw somewhere that the bulldozers would be compatable with am3 motherboards, just like how you can use some am3 cpu's on an am2+ motherboard. I think id be able to stretch my budget to 800 to get the am3 + motherboard but not sure atm, are there any am3 motherboards that have 8x/8x that are around the 100 dollar mark?
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September 19, 2011 5:08:04 PM

try looking for an ASRock 870 extreme 3 or extreme 4. those have 8x/8x and are around 100. im pretty sure new egg might have them.
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September 19, 2011 5:52:16 PM

Processor : Phenom II X4 955 BE - $120
Motherboard : ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ AMD 970 - $110
RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 - $50
Graphics : XFX HD-685X-ZNFR Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $130
Hard Disk : Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB - $60
Optical Drive : Any 24X DVD R/W - $20
Power Supply : CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 - $50
Case : Rosewill Challenger Gaming ATX Mid Tower - $60
Mouse and Keyboard : $50

Total : $650 (USD) (Price quoted from newegg US)
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September 19, 2011 8:28:22 PM

008Rohit said:
Processor : Phenom II X4 955 BE - $120
Motherboard : ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ AMD 970 - $110
RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 - $50
Graphics : XFX HD-685X-ZNFR Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $130
Hard Disk : Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB - $60
Optical Drive : Any 24X DVD R/W - $20
Power Supply : CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 - $50
Case : Rosewill Challenger Gaming ATX Mid Tower - $60
Mouse and Keyboard : $50

Total : $650 (USD) (Price quoted from newegg US)


damn, if only i can find that kinda price on tigerdirect.ca :( 
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September 19, 2011 8:48:28 PM

4745454b said:
I wouldn't say no where near as fast, but there is some holding back. (for the record I made sure my board handled 8x/8x instead of 16x/4x.) I say if you can't afford the 8x/8x board don't be afraid to get the 16x/4x. It's still better then a 16x/0x board. (physX card, CF still works, etc.)



How about this motherboard. its not too expensive and i think it has 8x/8x

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

This is from canada computers i forgot about that store.
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September 19, 2011 8:51:31 PM

008Rohit said:
Processor : Phenom II X4 955 BE - $120
Motherboard : ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ AMD 970 - $110
RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 - $50
Graphics : XFX HD-685X-ZNFR Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $130
Hard Disk : Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB - $60
Optical Drive : Any 24X DVD R/W - $20
Power Supply : CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 - $50
Case : Rosewill Challenger Gaming ATX Mid Tower - $60
Mouse and Keyboard : $50

Total : $650 (USD) (Price quoted from newegg US)


I think i would need a better power supply if i would want to run crossfire with two 6850's in the future.

would a 750 watt be sufficient?
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September 20, 2011 12:08:45 AM

you guys are from canada eh? lol just kidding bros.

that board is perfect. and a 750 would be more than sufficient. a 650 would suffice as well. and it might save money.
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September 20, 2011 12:41:13 AM

computernugget said:
you guys are from canada eh? lol just kidding bros.

that board is perfect. and a 750 would be more than sufficient. a 650 would suffice as well. and it might save money.


yeah im going to stick with my 750 watt power supply, just because the one i found is a good price and its modular. also 80+ bronze certified. Same with the original board i was going to get.

im not too worried about upgrading to bulldozer because that wont be in a few years (for me) and by that time ill be able to get a mobo and the cpu and just reuse everything else. im sure the phenom 2 will be plenty along with one 6850, but that can always be upgraded too.
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September 20, 2011 1:09:18 AM

CX500 would handle two HD 6850's without any issue.
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September 20, 2011 3:01:47 AM

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How about this motherboard. its not too expensive and i think it has 8x/8x


Correct, that's an 8x/8x board. Again, get it if you can squeeze it into the budget. If not, don't worry about it.

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CX500 would handle two HD 6850's without any issue.


Not sure I totally agree with this statement. It has 34A or 408W on its 12V rail. Take off 100W for your normal quad, and you have about 300W left over. Another 50W for your board, drives and ram, and your down to 250. Each stock 6850 is 130W, so two is 260W. I hope you can see the problem now. Someone in a different thread linked a 6850 that somehow drew 170W. (it only has one PCIe 6 pin plug, so 150W should be the max it can draw. Obviously you can get a bit from the plug/mobo as that 6850 and the 6990 have shown.) I wouldn't say easily or without issue. If I was going to go the route of CF'd 6850s, I'd want more then a 34A PSU. Even the good ones tend to not last as long as they should when you run them right up to their limits.
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September 20, 2011 11:47:25 AM

4745454b said:
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How about this motherboard. its not too expensive and i think it has 8x/8x


Correct, that's an 8x/8x board. Again, get it if you can squeeze it into the budget. If not, don't worry about it.

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CX500 would handle two HD 6850's without any issue.


Not sure I totally agree with this statement. It has 34A or 408W on its 12V rail. Take off 100W for your normal quad, and you have about 300W left over. Another 50W for your board, drives and ram, and your down to 250. Each stock 6850 is 130W, so two is 260W. I hope you can see the problem now. Someone in a different thread linked a 6850 that somehow drew 170W. (it only has one PCIe 6 pin plug, so 150W should be the max it can draw. Obviously you can get a bit from the plug/mobo as that 6850 and the 6990 have shown.) I wouldn't say easily or without issue. If I was going to go the route of CF'd 6850s, I'd want more then a 34A PSU. Even the good ones tend to not last as long as they should when you run them right up to their limits.


Yeah i'll just get the 750 watt powersupply. for future proofing aswell. incase i ever get a 6990 or something and decide to run it in crossfire with a bulldozer cpu. oh one more question. what if i got an am3+ board but it wasnt 8x/8x but was 16x/4x, because i found ones for the same price around 100 dollars. because if i never end up doing crossfire i can still upgrade to a bulldozer processor and run just one card. what do you think?
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September 20, 2011 12:28:41 PM

As I've been saying this whole thread, 8x/8x is best, but don't fret 16x/8x.

750 won't be nearly enough for CF 6990. Those cards take 350W each, so your looking at 600W alone for the GPUs. You really want a 1kW PSU for CF'd 6990s.
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September 25, 2011 6:54:54 PM

4745454b said:
As I've been saying this whole thread, 8x/8x is best, but don't fret 16x/8x.

750 won't be nearly enough for CF 6990. Those cards take 350W each, so your looking at 600W alone for the GPUs. You really want a 1kW PSU for CF'd 6990s.


Al right so im definitely not going to do crossfire so that doesn't really matter to me any more, same with the bulldozer processor. I intend to have this computer for atleast 2 years before upgrading anything.

but i managed to find a good priced xfx radeon hd 6950 to go along with my amd phenom 2 x4 955 black edition and a 650 watt power supply that i found from xfx thats saving me around 30 dollars. right now my total is 642 dollars. (not including the 75 dollar rebate for all the current parts im getting) Now all i need is a motherboard that would be good for overclocking my cpu a little, if not thats fine. As long as the 6950 is supported along with 4 ram slots. i would like to get one around the 50 dollar - 70 dollar range.
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September 26, 2011 2:14:31 AM

If you want to be upgrading in 2yrs time, make sure you get one of the 990 boards so you can upgrade to BD.
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September 26, 2011 3:52:31 AM

4745454b said:
If you want to be upgrading in 2yrs time, make sure you get one of the 990 boards so you can upgrade to BD.

Well i got some extra cash from selling my current ipod, since i found my old one which still works perfectly. And i can get an intel core i5 2500k with the 6850 i just need a motherboard recommendation.

Or i was thinking getting the 6950 with an i3 2100 which outperforms the phenom 2 x4 955 BE. Then later on i can upgrade to a core i7 2600k.

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