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September 18, 2011 12:04:05 AM

I'm planning on building a gaming PC.
I would like to know if my components are balanced and nothing is a overkill/bottlenecked (i apologize if i am not using those terms incorrectly)

so here is my list: Thanks
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Optical Drive:ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$19.99

Case:Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$99.99

HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$59.99

Motherboard:MSI 990FXA-GD65 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
$159.99

Video Card:EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$329.99

PSU:CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular ...
$119.99

Memory/Ram:CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
$52.99

CPU:AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
$129.99

Third-party Heatsink:COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
$29.99


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September 18, 2011 2:45:41 AM

Looks good to me! I'm not too sure about the cpu (intel guy) but it looks ok.
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September 18, 2011 2:59:31 AM

Your gpu is definitely more powerful than your cpu, something like an i5 2500k or even a i5 2400 would be more powerful, but if you want to stay with amd just overclock and you should be fine. Other than that looks good
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September 18, 2011 3:13:04 AM

wait for bulldozer it will be out this month
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September 18, 2011 4:31:12 PM

thanks for all the feedback guys!
i heard amd was cheaper and more reliable so i went with amd +i already have a computer with a i5 chipset so i wanted to see what the difference is going to be like

Also, do you mind telling me how much is "bulldozer" going to cost
im still kinda iffy if i should wait or if i should get it now(my current set-up that is)

i have to get everything before November
(im getting skyrim, mw3, and bf3) :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle: 
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Also what video card would you recommend for the three games i listed to be played at near MAX settings?
please provide links :) 
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September 18, 2011 5:15:06 PM

GTX 570 should be well enough for those games to run well. :) 
At what resolution are you playing at ?
Prices for the AMD's bulldozer (official) haven't been announced yet. Although, it depends on the model.
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September 18, 2011 5:21:03 PM

AMD and Intel are both excellent in their own fields. I'd always err on the side of Intel myself, though I know many-a-happy AMDer. The difference between AMD/Intel is pretty small to be perfectly honest, though Intel does have a higher share of the market, and it's current price: performance ratio is better than that of AMD in most brackets.

Your CPU will bottleneck performance.

Your GPU is nice, especially if you're playing at slightly lower resolutions. Skyrim should play well on the 570 at maxx with decent FPS. Same goes for MW3. BF3 may be the most challenging of the 3, but I doubt it'll be anything that a 570 couldn't handle, even if you did have to slide a few of the settings down a notch or two.

The other thing I'd like to add is that your PSU is possibly a bit small if you're considering a future SLI setup for the 570. I'd go with 800W to be safe (though I do tend to overcompensate on wattage.)

Bulldozer shouldn't be radically more expensive than anything available currently. I personally don't know of any specific costs, but the Intel vs AMD market is too competitive for Bulldozer to be priced madly.

Whatever you choose, good luck :) 

-Nih
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September 18, 2011 5:41:07 PM

@gman450
im not sure i know the answer to that question....
thanks for the feedback nonetheless

@Nihilis
Thank you for the info
btw i thought that skyrim would be the more demanding of the three

-i forgot to add that i changed the PSU to a
RAIDMAX RX-850AE 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also with the bottleneck
do you mind telling me how i can fix that?

Thanks if you reply :ange: 
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September 19, 2011 12:43:27 AM

Skyrim is in fact based on the old Oblivion design platform, with a few shader tweaks. Graphically it shouldn't be much more taxing than Oblivion was, especially as it's supposedly far better optimized than the Oblivion engine was. BFBC3 however is making use of Frostbyte Engine, with a strong focus on PC Gaming. Frostbyte itself looks (from what we've seen) stunning, which usually = more demand on a system. Add to this the fact that the PC version will be teeming with graphical extras, and it looks set to be a fairly demanding game, at least compared to the majority of current releases.

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That PSU is better.

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As for the bottleneck, you first have to understand what a bottleneck is:

A bottleneck, put simply, is when one lower quality component limits the performance of another better component (such as CPU limiting the overall PC's gaming performance, despite a strong GPU.) Bottlenecks occur when one component is noticeably better/worse than another, and are usually due to CPU, GPU or RAM.

I suggest you upgrade your CPU to remove that bottleneck, to bring the whole system up to a more even, balanced level. You could get an Intel i5 2500k (ideal gaming CPU at the moment), or even an Intel i5 2500 if you don't care about overclocking (an i5 2500 can't be overclocked, i5 2500k can.) Obviously the i5 2500 is a little cheaper because it can't be OCed. Either of those would help clear the bottleneck :) 

Hope that helps a little :)  Good luck!

-Nih
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September 19, 2011 3:43:37 AM

I asked you your monitor resolution. Do you not know that ?
Bottleneck between a CPU and a GPU occurs, when the transfer of data is more when it comes to CPU or GPU.
For example, in the case of a Pentium 4 @ (say) 2.8GHz and GTX560Ti, the amount of data that is sent by both needs to read at the same speed. But in such a case, the Pentium 4 can't keep up with GTX 560 Ti and hence a bottleneck occurs. :) 

Agree with nih,
Get a better CPU
The i5 2500k is a good option and you can later OC it. It can OC well enough without an aftermarket cooler.

i5 2500k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or if you're not an Overclocker, then get the 2500. The only thing between the two is that, the 2500 is locked in terms of the turbo multiplier, which can only be increased to 4x (37x in total) in P67 boards, whereas the 2500k has an unlocked multiplier, and can go upto 57x.

i5 2500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But the extra $10-15 for the 'k' version is well worth spent actually. :) 
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September 19, 2011 12:57:48 PM

This topic has been moved from the section Video Games to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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September 19, 2011 2:38:47 PM

hmm...

That build seems good to me.

Just,

1. Get a X4 955BE instead of the 965. You just overclock it by 200Mhz and you'll have the 965.

2. GTX 570 is a powerful card, I have seen the AMD Radeon HD 6970 perform better than that in most games.
XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $320 (newegg)

3. Will your SLI/Crossfire in the future? If not, then the PSU is just fine. If yes, then I'd recommend a 850W unit. This XFX Unit is the best bang for the buck ATM, and its a quality Seasonic made product :
XFX Core Edition PRO850W - $120 before rebates, $90 after rebates.

4. Overclocking the processor is going to help you in games. In fact, a 3.8Ghz PII X4 955 is going to beat i3 2100 in gaming and kind of match the performance of i5 2300. Hyper 212+ is a great heatsink for that purpose. add another 120mm fan for push/pull setup.

Thats all about it.
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September 20, 2011 1:22:01 AM

Thank you guys for all the wonderful feed back but i kinda been talking to a friend of mines and he recommended his system ( which i tweaked a bit ) which can handle a lot of todays games at max and the upcoming november games ( i think ) so i need you guys feedback if i should stick with this setup or if i should go with his

OLD SETUP: I will adjust it to all the feedback you guys have given me BTW

Optical Drive:ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$19.99

Case:Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$99.99

HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$59.99

Motherboard:MSI 990FXA-GD65 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
$159.99

Video Card:EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$329.99

PSU:CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular ...
$119.99

Memory/Ram:CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
$52.99

CPU:AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
$129.99

Third-party Heatsink:COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
$29.99



NEW SETUP:

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$20.99

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$99.99

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$54.99

ASUS M5A97 EVO AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$119.99

HIS IceQ X Turbo H695QNT2G2M Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
$269.99

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply
$59.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
$51.99

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
$129.99

TOTAL: $834.24

I think my old setup was ~$1000

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A little added info: I start working tomorrow so I can pay all of this off WHOOO :na: 
so I have to decide quickly :( 
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September 20, 2011 1:55:53 AM

Just change that Raidmax PSU with a Corsair/Antec/Enermax/Lepa/XFX or OCZ one.
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September 20, 2011 10:50:43 AM

008Rohit said:
Just change that Raidmax PSU with a Corsair/Antec/Enermax/Lepa/XFX or OCZ one.


so old setup or new setup?
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September 20, 2011 11:25:44 AM

new setup.
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September 25, 2011 12:25:51 AM

Best answer selected by -ZincaTe-.
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February 24, 2012 8:22:22 PM

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