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September 20, 2011 11:10:35 AM

Hello

I've been running with this system for quite some time, and the performance in games has been good, but not up to the standard that I expected. I would like to consider that I have a fairly high-end PC, but something tells me that the components in my build does not work that well together. What do you think??

System specs:
Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R
Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.48 GHz OC
Sapphire Radeon HD 5970 2 GB
6GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3
ENERGON 750W
Corsair H50 - CPU Watercooler (Push-Pull Config)
Noctua NF-P12 120mm
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB
Western Digital Caviar 1TB SATAII 64MB
STECH Simple Drive USB 750 GB
Windows 7 64-bit
Cooler Master HAF 922 Midi Tower

Anything unsual to see here? Or anything I could upgrade or change to make the performance better?

Thanks. :) 
September 20, 2011 11:27:10 AM

Its not a bad system tbh, seems a bit overkill using watercooler for that system though but good for future upgrades.

First off I would advise upgrading your processor, dont be tricked into thinking that the I7 is the best just because it is the most recent. The I5 2500k would beast all over that and can overclock up to 4.5ghz.

Not 100% sure on your GPU, perhaps AP could elaborate on that.

a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 11:33:50 AM

Is the ram setup 3x2GB? if yes, the fine. 1366 needs tripple channel memory.

Change your PSU. That seems the culprit, it can't deliver enough power to all parts, so the parts cant give their best under load.

I'd recommend a 650W Corsair, Seasonic or XFX unit or any single card setup. No need to upgrade processor at this point.
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September 20, 2011 11:44:13 AM

Oh okay.. So what I should do is upgrade my PSU? .. Seems like a good idea, because when I bought mine I just went for the cheapest with the highest voltage. But buying one with 650W instead of 750W seems a bit wierd to me??
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 12:06:40 PM

malteDK said:
Oh okay.. So what I should do is upgrade my PSU? .. Seems like a good idea, because when I bought mine I just went for the cheapest with the highest voltage. But buying one with 650W instead of 750W seems a bit wierd to me??


Efficiency rating on a PSU is everything. Always look for 80PLUS Bronze or better.

A 750w without an 80PLUS rating could only be 50% efficient meaning a huge loss in power meaning it will actually deliver power less efficiently than a 650w unit with an 80PLUS.

Recommended PSU brands include: XFX, Corsair, SeaSonic, Antec, (some) OCZ.
September 20, 2011 12:50:55 PM

Oh okay. I really didn't know that. Thanks for a lot. :) 

So I've looked around and it seems that a Corsair TX V2 650W PSU would be the best and cheapest purchase in this case. Agree? .. + This should improve my system pretty dramatic right? Because if it only makes a small difference in perfomance like 5-10 % I'm not sure I'll spend the money on a new PSU.
September 20, 2011 12:59:15 PM

Anyone who thinks an I5 2500k is faster than a I7 2600k is an idiot, theres a huge difference especially w/ threaded games such as Unreal, Battlefield, and Crysis. They will take those threaded cores and use them to the max. I would highly recommend a I7 2600k for this years games which are all going to support as many cores/threads you have such as elderscrolls 5, battlefield 3, and rage to name a few.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 1:02:54 PM

I'm personally not convinced your PSU would be a limiting factor. Generally it would just crash if it couldn't handle your components or you would experience tearing and artefacts during gameplay or system reboots/unexpected shutdowns.

ATI recommends: 650 Watt or greater power supply one 75W 6-pin and one 150W 8-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (850 Watt with two 75W 6-pin and two 150W 8-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)

Recommended manufacturers include: XFX, Corsair, SeaSonic, Antec. Corsair are generally the best mid-priced option, however XFX and Antec often have some nice sale prices/offers and SeaSonic tends to come in a little more expensive.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 1:03:32 PM

mightymaxio said:
Anyone who thinks an I5 2500k is faster than a I7 2600k is an idiot, theres a huge difference especially w/ threaded games such as Unreal, Battlefield, and Crysis. They will take those threaded cores and use them to the max. I would highly recommend a I7 2600k for this years games which are all going to support as many cores/threads you have such as elderscrolls 5, battlefield 3, and rage to name a few.


None of these games support Hyper threading...........?

That's not to say games in the future wont, but the current ones and the ones currently planned for release between now and Christmas wont as far as i'm aware?
September 20, 2011 1:14:48 PM

AdrianPerry said:
None of these games support Hyper threading...........?

That's not to say games in the future wont, but the current ones and the ones currently planned for release between now and Christmas wont as far as i'm aware?


They will, look at battlefield bad company 2, that utilizes as many threads as you have. Thats why performance scores for that game are higher and why the amd thubans can keep up with the i7's in that game.

Straight from guru3d.com "The game has native support for DirectX 11 and on the processor testing side of things, parallelized processing supporting two to eight parallel threads, which is great if you have a quad core (or hexacore) processor.
"
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 1:20:27 PM

I dont see hyper threading mentioned there? Hyper threads are virtual cores, not actual cores....the i7 still has 4 cores, the same as the i5, which is why in games they bench very very similarly.
September 20, 2011 1:25:55 PM

AdrianPerry said:
I dont see hyper threading mentioned there? Hyper threads are virtual cores, not actual cores....the i7 still has 4 cores, the same as the i5, which is why in games they bench very very similarly.


You do also realize that the i7 can be overclocked to 4.5 just like the i5? I have had mine running at 4.4 without any issues on air. If I switch to water cooling I could probably go even higher without issue. A lot of games out there if they are using a single core only care about the clock speed of that core.
September 20, 2011 1:28:15 PM

008Rohit said:
Is the ram setup 3x2GB? if yes, the fine. 1366 needs tripple channel memory.

Change your PSU. That seems the culprit, it can't deliver enough power to all parts, so the parts cant give their best under load.

I'd recommend a 650W Corsair, Seasonic or XFX unit or any single card setup. No need to upgrade processor at this point.



I don't agree with your assessment that his power supply could be the issue. 750 watts should be enough for his system. I have an i7 sitting at 3.8 with a higher end setup then him and have only seen it hit a max of 600 watts under max loads.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 1:43:35 PM

750W should be enough, but you also have to look at the brand of that PSU. Cheap ones generally kill other PC components.
September 20, 2011 1:44:47 PM

So let me get this straight.. If I buy a Corsair TX V2 650W PSU instead of my ENERGON 750W the overall performance would not be that notable?

If it's not my PSU that's the real issue here, what could it be then?
September 20, 2011 1:47:13 PM

Are you running w/ vsync turned on? What games are you playing? Do you have multiple monitors running a game such eyefinity?
September 20, 2011 1:50:49 PM

You don't have a solid state drive. An SSD won't improve frame rates but general system responsiveness will be massively improved. No one with an i5/i7 should go without an ssd these days it's a crime.
September 20, 2011 1:53:59 PM

I mostly play BFBC2, MW2, Shogun 2: Total War, Napoleon: Total War, and Crysis 2.

I only have one monitor, 24" HD screen.

I'm not interested in getting a faster system in that way. I know SSD's are incredible fast, and I've looked into it, but I'm much more into getting my frame rates up.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 2:02:29 PM

You just get a Corsair TX 650 V2 and overall system performance will increase.
September 20, 2011 2:26:39 PM

What are your framerates in those games atm? You said they are slow but whats the framerate?
September 20, 2011 2:37:03 PM

That's the thing, all those games you listed should be capping at 60hz if you're at a normal resolution (crysis 2 with dx11 full is different but it's silly anyway) with your hardware.

edit by capping I mean never going below
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 3:08:53 PM

ahnilated said:
You do also realize that the i7 can be overclocked to 4.5 just like the i5? I have had mine running at 4.4 without any issues on air. If I switch to water cooling I could probably go even higher without issue. A lot of games out there if they are using a single core only care about the clock speed of that core.


Im well aware of what CPU's can overclock to what frequency.

What I said was "Hyper threading doesn't increase FPS in games because games DONT MAKE USE of hyper threading". Which im still waiting for someone to prove me wrong on....

If Hyper threading DID impact on FPS and games DID make use of it, then i7-2600k would obviously bench higher than i5-2500k, which it DOESN'T because games DONT use hyper threading they only make use of the individual cores which in terms of the i7-2600k and i5-2500k are more or less equal.
September 20, 2011 3:35:31 PM

lozz08 said:
That's the thing, all those games you listed should be capping at 60hz if you're at a normal resolution (crysis 2 with dx11 full is different but it's silly anyway) with your hardware.

edit by capping I mean never going below


Exactly. That's why I think it's so wierd.. I run at 1920x1080 maxed out on all those games.

But in BFBC2 I'm usally between 60-80 FPS. Sometimes 40 if there's a lot of action, but if I want to record using Fraps or X-fire, the FPS immediately drops to like 10-15 and the game is unplayable..

It just seems that there's something in my system that bottlenecks my performance.. and now I'm guessing it's very likely my PSU?
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 3:37:21 PM

Yeah, most likely the PSU.
September 20, 2011 3:53:28 PM

Fraps always kills your FPS though disable fraps and there ya go problem solved.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 3:59:21 PM

What I think is when FRAPS runs, his CPU and GPU gets some load, so the PSU can't supply enough power hence those parts can never give their 100%, hence low FPS.
September 20, 2011 4:04:44 PM

008Rohit said:
What I think is when FRAPS runs, his CPU and GPU gets some load, so the PSU can't supply enough power hence those parts can never give their 100%, hence low FPS.


That's what I'm thinking aswell. (Hoping aswell. :) 

I've seen plenty of people on youtube recording BFBC2 and Modern Warfare 2 with Fraps and getting smooth recordings with more low-end systems than me. So that's why this has been buggering me for some time that people with pretty standard systems could get so impressive results when recording while I can't even record something in Call of Duty 4 without getting a terrible FPS.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 4:31:26 PM

Quote:


I know for a fact that some games will run WORSE when you have more than the recommended cores aka all those thurban users lol.


Thats what i found after doing some google research too :) 

Wondered why he went all quiet ^.^
a b B Homebuilt system
September 20, 2011 4:37:25 PM

the whole i5-2500K vs i7-2600K was moot anyway...he has a previous generation i7-920!
And yeah, a higher quality powersupply than Energon is undoubtably your issue.
September 20, 2011 5:06:02 PM

Guys, parts don't just lose performance due to inadequate power. It doesn't work like that. If your power supply can't deliver the juice you will get blue screens and artifacting. Please don't replace your PSU it is fine.

The frame rate of fraps can be limited by hard drive bandwidth. See what happens when you record at a lower frame rate and/or half-size.
September 20, 2011 5:14:36 PM

Well it does occur sometimes that my entire system shuts down if I have too many applications open or during a game.. That might be because of the power supply I'm guessing.
September 20, 2011 5:22:09 PM

When is the last time you re-installed windows and such? Could be bloatware and registry filth bogging your cpu.
September 20, 2011 5:25:35 PM

I doubt it. I've had this problem ever since I bought my 5970 card. I used to have a GFX285 and the switch to 5970 was not very noticable in performance.

Probably re-installed my windows when I upgraded to Win7 64-bit about 7-8 months ago, but at then this problem was the same.
September 20, 2011 5:41:49 PM

Well, a 5970 does pull about twice as much power... It's never a mistake buying a good power supply anyway, I just doubt it will solve the problem that you have.
September 22, 2011 1:06:47 PM

Okay guys. New problem. :( 

I bought the Corsair TX650 V2 PSU and installed it today..

Now when I power up the PC it starts up and 1-2 seconds and then shuts down again, and then after 2 seconds it repeats this. On and off all the time. Nothing is happening on the monitor, but all the fans and hardware powers up when I start it.

I've searched on this problem and a lot of the cases it's due to a faulty PSU.. but I was on Corsairs support site and did a Power Supply Test with a paperclip and the PSU seems to work just fine.. Now what could the problem be??

I'm really frustrated here. :( 
September 22, 2011 1:10:34 PM

Its probably shutting down due to lack of enough power, you shouldve gotten a larger power supply for the stuff you have. Like a 800 watt.
September 22, 2011 1:16:58 PM

You can't be serious?

Why have all the people on this thread then recommended my to buy a 650W power supply? + I've seen people with better rigs then me run on the same PSU.
September 22, 2011 1:20:45 PM

Does the PSU have enough on the rails to support a 5970? The most power hungry card of the 5 series. I wouldve checked a PSU calculator before purchase because I dont think a 650 watt power supply is enough head room for that big of a power draw. Especially because you are overclocking which increases the watts the CPU uses. When the power supply can't draw enough power to power the computer it goes in a loop sometimes where it turns on/off.

Whats the effiencency of the PSU?

Did a PSU calculator test and at 100% Peak usage you need at least a 694 watt power supply, recommended is a 750 watt power supply for headroom and capacitor aging. It also could be if people have the same wattage of power supply, that the effiencency rating of the PSU is over 80% which would let you sometimes pull more power than the advertised peak power load.
September 22, 2011 1:40:47 PM

Omg.. I can't believe that people recommended me to such a stupid buy.

I just spend like 90 $ on a PSU that I can't use.. Just great!
a b B Homebuilt system
September 22, 2011 2:12:48 PM

malteDK said:
Omg.. I can't believe that people recommended me to such a stupid buy.

I just spend like 90 $ on a PSU that I can't use.. Just great!


600w is plenty for a single 5970......

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-review-tes...

"The card requires you to have a 600 Watt power supply unit at minimum if you use it in a fairly high-end system. We assume you'll overclock your processor and that draws a lot of extra power. That power supply needs to have (in total accumulated) at least 50 Amps available on the +12 volts rails."

Your Corsair PSU has 53A on the 12v Rail: http://www.corsair.com/power-supply-units/enthusiast-se...

Shouldn't be an issue at all.
September 22, 2011 2:33:34 PM

But yet it is?
a b B Homebuilt system
September 22, 2011 2:47:34 PM

Something else must be at fault.

Are you sure the wall outlet your using is supplying adequate power? Do you use a surge protection plug?

Is your motherboard properly fixed onto your case using the correct stand off screws?

Other than the screws holding your motherboard down are any other metal components touching the board?

Thoroughly check the hardware you currently have.
September 22, 2011 3:18:40 PM

AdrianPerry said:
Something else must be at fault.

Are you sure the wall outlet your using is supplying adequate power? Do you use a surge protection plug?

Is your motherboard properly fixed onto your case using the correct stand off screws?

Other than the screws holding your motherboard down are any other metal components touching the board?

Thoroughly check the hardware you currently have.


There seems to be no other metal touching the motherboard than the screws, and yes the wall outlet was fine for my 750W.

Really don't get it.. I have my CD drive plugged in, 3 harddrives with the SATA plugs, my 5970 with 2 PCI-E plugs, my motherboard with a 24-pin plug and a 8 pin plug.. That's it. Nothing else really to plug in it should seem..
September 22, 2011 3:25:12 PM

lewza said:
Its not a bad system tbh, seems a bit overkill using watercooler for that system though but good for future upgrades.

First off I would advise upgrading your processor, dont be tricked into thinking that the I7 is the best just because it is the most recent. The I5 2500k would beast all over that and can overclock up to 4.5ghz.

Not 100% sure on your GPU, perhaps AP could elaborate on that.


I wouldn't really say this without knowing what he does. If he does any sort of encoding, that i7 would triumph over the i5... I am not sure about his cpu, but my i7 960 is overclocked to 4.5GHz on air and idles@ 36c, gaming load for hours@ >50c, encoding for hours@ >60c[with an occasional break over 60c hitting the max I think I have ever seen it touch 63c](This is all in temperature controlled room)

Using Noctua NH-D13 cpu cooler and Noctua NT-H1 thermal compund

But yeah for just gaming I would agree go wtih i5 2500k
a b B Homebuilt system
September 22, 2011 3:44:29 PM

malteDK said:
There seems to be no other metal touching the motherboard than the screws, and yes the wall outlet was fine for my 750W.

Really don't get it.. I have my CD drive plugged in, 3 harddrives with the SATA plugs, my 5970 with 2 PCI-E plugs, my motherboard with a 24-pin plug and a 8 pin plug.. That's it. Nothing else really to plug in it should seem..



double check the motherboard power. make sure you have the 24-pin in correctly, and the CPU 4 pin as well.
September 22, 2011 3:52:26 PM

All ready did that several times.. My cpu is a 8 pin though. The plug is named, "ATX_12V_2X" ..
September 22, 2011 4:14:10 PM

Anyone??

This is really buggering me, and it seems that it's the pc that's the problem now, not the PSU..
September 22, 2011 4:23:52 PM

No, but I got both the Corsair 650W and 750W now and they both do exactly the same when plugged in.
September 22, 2011 4:47:40 PM

Yes. Several.

But it worked later this day.. Dunno what should have happend.
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