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Where's AMD competition against the 580?

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July 21, 2011 6:09:01 PM

Hey guys, if Im not mistaken, the 6970 is on par with the 570, so... what does AMD have against the 580..? Nothing..? The 6990 would be versus a 590...

so....

anyone care to explain?

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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 6:13:31 PM

Yeah, AMD have no market up there.
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July 21, 2011 6:19:01 PM

Is this seriously true ._. So the 580 is fastest single GPU?
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 6:43:09 PM

reaper2794 said:
Is this seriously true ._. So the 580 is fastest single GPU?

Yes 580 is the fastest single GPU :D 
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July 21, 2011 6:46:20 PM

For awhile now Nvidia has usually had the more powerful single GPU card.
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 6:47:02 PM

It's swings and roundabouts AMD had the fastest card last time around with the 5970 so NVIDIA has the crown at the moment. However in a few months......
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July 21, 2011 6:54:13 PM

When are 7xxx and 6xx rumored to come out?
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July 21, 2011 6:56:30 PM

reaper2794 said:
When are 7xxx and 6xx rumored to come out?

April ish 2012
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July 21, 2011 6:58:03 PM

Both of them?? That late..???
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July 21, 2011 7:00:33 PM

Kkkk1 said:
It's swings and roundabouts AMD had the fastest card last time around with the 5970 so NVIDIA has the crown at the moment. However in a few months......



The last large power hungry single gpu card ATI made was the 2900pro after that they changed there tactics and started focusing on smaller more efficient gpu's that scale better. While Nvidia admitted from the get go they were going to be producing large monolithic gpu's they have typically had the faster single gpu since the 8800 series. Amd usually has the faster single pcb card using dual gpu's and a mildly powerfull mid range card like the 6970.
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July 21, 2011 7:05:18 PM

I see, I hate Nvidia cards so yeah, guess I'll buy a 6970
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 7:10:01 PM

http://www.warungdigital.com/nvidia-gtx-600-core-kepler...
this one says that gtx 6 series wil be out by 4th quarter of this year.. also says that hd7 series is also scheduled to be released at nearly the same time as gtx6xx.. there is going to be hell lot of competition between these two :D 
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July 21, 2011 7:16:18 PM

K so April and end of this year, thats a good 4 month difference...
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 7:21:42 PM

yes but the source which I linked seems to be old so it is possible that this information is no more valid
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July 21, 2011 7:31:21 PM

You have to include cost in this analysis.
Therefore what competes with 580 GTX= 2x 6950's ( and they beat the 580 comprehensively, at a $150 premium)
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 7:40:53 PM

Well then what competes with 6950? gtx 560ti
And 560ti is a very good overclocker and is no doubt cheaper than 6950
Nvidia rocks!!
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July 21, 2011 7:41:06 PM

I see. Hmm... 2 x 6950 vs 580... tru.. tru..
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 8:04:29 PM

"After overclocking"

What about overclocking and unlocking shaders on the HD 6950?
It's an unfair comparison.
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 8:40:52 PM

reaper2794 said:
I see, I hate Nvidia cards so yeah, guess I'll buy a 6970

why the hate for nvidia?
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 8:41:03 PM

reaper2794 said:
K so April and end of this year, thats a good 4 month difference...

They usually miss their release dates so I think the best gues would be sometime soon after Christmas this year.
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July 21, 2011 8:57:17 PM

I have a 5770, I guess I might as well upgrade to a 6970 before BF3 comes out...
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July 21, 2011 9:09:18 PM

yummerzzz said:
"After overclocking"

What about overclocking and unlocking shaders on the HD 6950?
It's an unfair comparison.

gtx 560ti is a very good overclocker and at maximum oc it performs better than a stock 6970
6950 has low clock speeds and locked shaders, after unlocking the shaders you have to overclock it to reach the 6970 performance and no more oc
this makes gtx 560ti a better performer for lower price.
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July 21, 2011 9:19:23 PM

I love how Nvidia sales people enter these threads immediately. Anyway, the FPS difference between 580 and 6970 is nowhere near the price difference. You're paying a huge premium between the two cards for very little fps difference unless you're using super high resolutions on three monitors (only available on AMD cards, if I remember correctly.)
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 9:43:43 PM

andy27tx said:
I love how Nvidia sales people enter these threads immediately. Anyway, the FPS difference between 580 and 6970 is nowhere near the price difference. You're paying a huge premium between the two cards for very little fps difference unless you're using super high resolutions on three monitors (only available on AMD cards, if I remember correctly.)

gtx 580 is not competing with any AMD cards in the market it is the fastest Single GPU card
So it has its own advantages, you want an ultimate Gaming rig? sli 580s and see, nothing will match its performance
See this
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/2...
This is where you ditch gpus like 6970 and get a 580 to make it atleast playable
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July 21, 2011 9:52:43 PM

you can buy 2 x 6950's for the price of a 580, so theres your competition right there, and its faster than a 580. AMD is generally better bang for buck throughout their range.
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 10:08:10 PM

I was expecting this from someone.
Unlock 6950 overclock it to match the performance of 6970, get max out of this card
OC gtx 560ti to the max, it beats stock 6970 easily
now sli both of them and see which one wins
see the price difference also gtx 560 ti is around 15$ cheaper than 6950 the last time I checked in newegg
so 2 of them will make the difference 30$ you can get more performance for less
Yes I agree to the fact that AMD generally has better bang for buck
But in this case it is not
here Nvidia has better bang for the buck
also AMD has better bang for buck because they have stupid image quality
I hate AMD for this, budget gamer will find AMD very good but no one else will!!
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 10:40:22 PM

AMD does not have worse picture quality than Nvidia, that's just fanboy talk.....

Also, what about someone who doesn't want to overclock the GPU?
The HD 6950 performs better at stock clocks than a GTX 560 ti.
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July 21, 2011 11:16:56 PM

Most people never Oc there cards.
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 11:21:36 PM

yummerzzz said:
AMD does not have worse picture quality than Nvidia, that's just fanboy talk.....

Also, what about someone who doesn't want to overclock the GPU?
The HD 6950 performs better at stock clocks than a GTX 560 ti.

Not in all games, and what about the difference in fps? 2 or 3? and paying 15$ more for just 2fps increase? I find paying extra for gtx 580 for that "FEW" fps increase better than paying for 6950
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July 21, 2011 11:22:33 PM

xx12amanxx said:
Most people never Oc there cards.

then the number of people who bios mod a gpu is extremely less
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July 21, 2011 11:36:54 PM

mjsharma said:
Not in all games, and what about the difference in fps? 2 or 3? and paying 15$ more for just 2fps increase? I find paying extra for gtx 580 for that "FEW" fps increase better than paying for 6950


Your comparing a high end gpu to a lower mid range gpu....everyone knows the more money you spend the less performance you get back for your dollar. Plus i am not sure what your saying by paying $15 more for an extra 2fps...are you saying that's worth it? Because i surely wouldn't pay $15 for a 2fps increase.
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a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2011 11:41:51 PM

More like 5-15fps, the HD 6950's 2GB frame buffer wins over the GTX 560 ti in higher resolutions.

Also, that doesn't justify the remark about picture quality.
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July 22, 2011 1:01:26 AM

Crossfire > Sli at the moment though, crossfire 6970 beats sli 580s because of the great scaling they have.

Also i went for amd because of the 2gb vram, i dont want to be stuck with 1gb in 1-2 years
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July 22, 2011 1:42:22 AM

mjsharma said:
I was expecting this from someone.
Unlock 6950 overclock it to match the performance of 6970, get max out of this card
OC gtx 560ti to the max, it beats stock 6970 easily
now sli both of them and see which one wins
see the price difference also gtx 560 ti is around 15$ cheaper than 6950 the last time I checked in newegg
so 2 of them will make the difference 30$ you can get more performance for less
Yes I agree to the fact that AMD generally has better bang for buck
But in this case it is not
here Nvidia has better bang for the buck
also AMD has better bang for buck because they have stupid image quality
I hate AMD for this, budget gamer will find AMD very good but no one else will!!

AMD has stupid image quality?? how so? I think they have better image quality than NVIDIA and better Anti Aliasing. And also, in Australia the 560ti is more expensive. Not everyone in the world relies on Newegg.
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a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2011 1:46:23 AM

hey now, 10% increased performance is WELL WORTH the 40% increase in price for the 580.... dont cha guys know this already? wasting money is what we americans are about!
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a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2011 5:22:02 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
hey now, 10% increased performance is WELL WORTH the 40% increase in price for the 580.... dont cha guys know this already? wasting money is what we americans are about!

May be, but not we Indians :p 
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a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2011 5:27:49 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
AMD has stupid image quality?? how so? I think they have better image quality than NVIDIA and better Anti Aliasing. And also, in Australia the 560ti is more expensive. Not everyone in the world relies on Newegg.

But here in India GTX 560ti is available for 14355 INR but HD6950 for 16420 (cheapest available on market)
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Palit+GeForce+GTX560+...
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Sapphire+Radeon+HD695...
A difference of around 2000 INR is around 45 USD, Happy now?
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July 23, 2011 2:26:10 AM

0ozee said:
Crossfire > Sli at the moment though, crossfire 6970 beats sli 580s because of the great scaling they have.

Also i went for amd because of the 2gb vram, i dont want to be stuck with 1gb in 1-2 years


that's purely based on scaling only. don't forget about driver stability
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July 23, 2011 2:42:57 AM

renz496 said:
that's purely based on scaling only. don't forget about driver stability


Lmfao driver stability, what a goddamn joke

I keep hearing that from Nvidia fanboys, its not something to make you consider an Nvidia over, driver issues get fixed quickly
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July 23, 2011 4:37:31 AM

call me what ever you want. i have no problem recommending people Radeons or GeForce depending on their needs. for single gpu setup i think both radeon and geforce are pretty much equal in terms of driver support. but for multi gpu i really did believe that nvidia solution are much more stable than cross fire. both have their own problem but i've always seen more problem with CF than SLI.
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July 23, 2011 4:42:47 AM

I believe there may be more incompatibilities, but I've had no problems with either on my system. I do not believe the "driver issues" are the norm, but rather the exception.
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July 23, 2011 4:44:38 AM

I didnt mean youre a fanboy, I meant fanboys use that reason to explain why Nvidia is better a lot
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July 23, 2011 11:36:22 AM

mjsharma said:
May be, but not we Indians :p 

With that said, im totally surprised you aren't in a forum asking for help on what card to buy for 4k rupees with a thread title of "help plzzzz"
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July 23, 2011 12:08:21 PM

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I don't get where u guys are going with this......
Someone call a Mod to lock this?


all i see is OP looking for some answer why AMD still did not release single gpu card that able to pawn GTX580 in term of pure performance. mod can lock this thread but i'm not seeing flame war yet so as long as they keep it civil the mod might not lock this thread.

btw if i'm not mistaken you're using i5 2400 before. why change to 2500?
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July 23, 2011 12:34:18 PM

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It has always been a i5-2500, u must have mistaken it for either my old Pentium 4 or Core2Duo E4400
:D 


lol. i must have seen it wrong. my bad :p 

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There's no market there to justify investing more R&D to beat the competition's flagship if most people dont even know what a graphics card is and the best selling Graphics card is still those around a HD5770.............

Just Look at AMD's Fusion APUs, none of them aimed to fight Intel's CPu in terms or raw computing power, they were designed to hit the more profitable markets, not with the enthusiast in mind


i think AMD was trying to make a new market rather than competing directly with intel with their APU.
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a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2011 1:10:07 PM

who the hell cares?just buy the fastest single gpu of any company if you can afford it.Generally single gpu cards are nvidia's forte
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a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2011 1:57:46 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
With that said, im totally surprised you aren't in a forum asking for help on what card to buy for 4k rupees with a thread title of "help plzzzz"

Well, buying a new card for 4k INR isn't a waste of money
"wasting money is what we americans are about!"
These were your own words, and I just said that I am not an american who can "waste" money and live
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