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September 25, 2011 5:54:05 AM

So not only am I new to toms hardware, but also to building a pc aswell. I recently received my components (which I will list) this Thursday. I have been running into to problem after problem and I just want to be done with it all as my patience is running out and my frustration keeps building. Okay enough of my ranting.. here's the specs!

Case: CM Storm Enforcer (got an extra cm red led 120mm fan in it)
CPU: Amd phenom 1055t (plan on overclocking it a substantial amount)
GPU: Gigabyte SO series 560(NON Ti version)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 750w modular (owned for several years but not used)
RAM: G Skill Ripjaw 2x4g 1600mhz
Motherboard: Biostar A870U3 Sata 3 and USB 3.0
HDD: Seagate Barricuda 1tb Sata 3
I also picked up a logisys dual 12 inch red cold cathodes

Ill start from the top. I unbox everything and I start building it asap. I made sure I installed everything and tried to do a neat job with cable management. Being me, I rushed a little bit because I wanted to play a game on it before the night was over. So I got everything installed fine and go to turn it on and it starts but the Hsf and system fan (connected to mobo) dont turn on and the mobo doesn't post. I spent a good while trying to figure out the 20+4 pin. I even took the mobo out and got it to post on the box with the correct wiring this time. I read the connectors wrong on the PSU box and didn't realize ther was a 4 pin connector in there. So I installed that and got everything to post. Go to insall windows 7 and seems to go fine up until it asks where to install it. The hard drive is not showing up at all. I made sure the connections are good.

I start taking stuff out of my old comp and throw in a hitachi 250gb sata drive that already has windows 7. Ofcourse that doesn't start and I get a blue screen. I didn't expect it to work but thought I would try it. After I take the drive and connect the other drive again, the mobo wont even post. It took me a wwhileto find out what it was. I took my 9500gt from my old comp and put it in and it posted no problem. The hard drive still doesn't show and I can't even install. I mess around with all the sata ports and everything to try and make it work. It post but sometimes it will freeze right on the bios startup. I have to clear CMOS to fix that. Now its posting great but the usb ports wont work or give power. So that being said I can't even use a keyboard and I dont know where an old ps2 keyboard is. So I can't access any of the bios options and I can't install.

I have no idea what to do now and almost have lost hope of completing this build by myself. I am going to take it to my moms school where this teacher there can help me out a bit. That is if I dont get it running before then. I just want this to work. Im thinking the hard drive and the 560 both need to be rma'd... possibly the mobo. But at this point, im so sick of it all that im probably not thinking straight.

I would greatly appreciate any help with getting this running. And if you guys would like, I can get some pictures up.

Thanks in advanced

Parker

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September 25, 2011 6:06:30 AM

Work systematically through our standard checklist and troubleshooting thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-read-postin...
I mean work through, not just read over it. We spent a lot of time on this. It should find most of the problems.

If no luck, continue.

The following is an expansion of my troubleshooting tips in the breadboarding link in the "Cannot boot" thread.

I have tested the following beep patterns on Gigabyte, eVGA, and ECS motherboards. Other BIOS' may be different, but they all use a single short beep for a successful POST.

Breadboard - that will help isolate any kind of case problem you might have.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262730-31-breadboardi...

Breadboard with just motherboard, CPU & HSF, case speaker, and PSU.

Make sure you plug the CPU power cable in. The system will not boot without it.

I always breadboard a new build. It takes only a few minutes, and you know you are putting good parts in the case once you are finished.

You can turn on the PC by momentarily shorting the two pins that the case power switch goes to. You should hear a series of long, single beeps indicating memory problems. Silence indicates a problem with (in most likely order) the PSU, motherboard, or CPU. Remember, at this time, you do not have a graphics card installed so the load on your PSU will be reduced.

If no beeps:
Running fans and drives and motherboard LED's do not necessarily indicate a good PSU. In the absence of a single short beep, they also do not indicate that the system is booting.

At this point, you can sort of check the PSU. Try to borrow a known good PSU of around 550 - 600 watts. That will power just about any system with a single GPU. If you cannot do that, use a DMM to measure the voltages. Measure between the colored wires and either chassis ground or the black wires. Yellow wires should be 12 volts. Red wires: +5 volts, orange wires: +3.3 volts, blue wire : -12 volts, violet wire (standby power supply): 5 volts always on. Tolerances are +/- 5% except for the -12 volts which is +/- 10%.

The gray wire is really important. It should go from 0 to +5 volts when you turn the PSU on with the case switch. CPU needs this signal to boot.

You can turn on the PSU by completely disconnecting the PSU and using a paperclip or jumper wire to short the green wire to one of the neighboring black wires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXgQSokF4&feature=yout...

A way that might be easier is to use the main power plug. Working from the back of the plug where the wires come out, use a bare paperclip to short between the green wire and one of the neighboring black wires. That will do the same thing with an installed PSU. It is also an easy way to bypass a questionable case power switch.

This checks the PSU under no load conditions, so it is not completely reliable. But if it can not pass this, it is dead. Then repeat the checks with the PSU plugged into the computer to put a load on the PSU.

If the system beeps:
If it looks like the PSU is good, install a memory stick. Boot. Beep pattern should change to one long and several short beeps indicating a missing graphics card.

Silence, long single beeps, or series of short beeps indicate a problem with the memory. If you get short beeps verify that the memory is in the appropriate motherboard slots.

Insert the video card and connect any necessary PCIe power connectors. Boot. At this point, the system should POST successfully (a single short beep). Notice that you do not need keyboard, mouse, monitor, or drives to successfully POST.
At this point, if the system doesn't work, it's either the video card or an inadequate PSU. Or rarely - the motherboard's PCIe interface.

Now start connecting the rest of the devices starting with the monitor, then keyboard and mouse, then the rest of the devices, testing after each step. It's possible that you can pass the POST with a defective video card. The POST routines can only check the video interface. It cannot check the internal parts of the video card.

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September 25, 2011 4:34:45 PM

Jsc, thanks for the reply. I have done nearly all of those things in the troubleshooting guide. It did clear a few things up for me but it did not solve my problems. I have my older video card in and it will post with that but with the 560 it wont post. Also, my keyboard is not turning on at all. Therefore I cannot do anything in the BIOS at all, such as checking if the hard drive is recognized. I did put the new hard drive in my older computer and it recognized it as a removable floppy (A:)  and it said it needed to be formated, yet when I go to format it can't be done and it doesn't show up in disk manager. Further help would be appreciated and I would love to hear what other people have to say aswell.

Thanks again

Parker
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September 25, 2011 5:46:22 PM

Okay, I am currently installing windows right now!! I believe the hard drive might be doa. When I try to install it to that drive it cannot be found, its not even recognized in the bios. Is there drivers for the drive or for the motherboard for it? I dont want to send it back but I am happy I got it to install on one of my other drives! If someone could help me make this new drive work would be excellent!
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September 25, 2011 7:14:31 PM

Double check to ensure "That Drive" you refer to, is the only drive in the system with the power and data cable hooked up properly. It should be in ACHI mode in Bios as well I believe.

It's possible it may be DOA, however remote it may be.
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