- Dec 27, 2011
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This is more than just a desktop vs workstation debate:
So here’s my question - and it relates to mainly computers running 3D Studio Max and other multithreaded programs (Maxwell and PS/AI). I’m looking to build a new computer, and Sandy-bridge is the way I’m looking to go. I know the new Xeons are coming out soon, and I’ve been using xeons for years. But here’s the problem- I use to have to buy 2 quad core xeons – now I can get one fast 8 core processor. I know I can get (2) 6 core xeons, running about 1 ghz slower, but multiplying my cores by 1.5x on this build.
But here’s the other part I’m hung up on- processors always get compared to processors. And I know in theory that xeons are better for workstations. But I keep finding that workstation/server motherboards are really built for servers, and not including new technologies. Lack of usb ports on the back, lack of sata 3, no usb 3.0 headers, no built in Bluetooth support. And now I see that gaming boards are coming ready for pci-e 3.0 pipelines.
I guess what I’m wondering is this – is there a change happening in the market? With the ability to make 8 core single processors are we really going to see much of a difference in i7/dual xeon performance? Even though xeons look better on paper, are the limited technologies of the motherboards they go on going to disappoint us? (I’m tired of adding pci-e usb 3.0 headers on to get up to date, etc.) I was looking at similar motherboards from Asus for instance. Their gaming board has sata 3 standard. The workstation board requires an expensive add on to get sata 3 ports to work on the mainboard.
So what do we think? I’m starting to think that lately there’s a lot more reason to build an i7 workstation than a xeon one. And is Sandy Bridge finally a time when there isn’t going to be a large enough difference between the two to make that justification? I know I ‘lose’ 4 cores (though running 1.0 ghz slower) but it seems like I’m sacrificing a lot more in choosing to build a workstation. And maybe there’s an article on this I’m missing, but I can’t find it. And I know that the people on Tom’s Hardware are the most knowledgeable out there. Does anyone have any thoughts?
So here’s my question - and it relates to mainly computers running 3D Studio Max and other multithreaded programs (Maxwell and PS/AI). I’m looking to build a new computer, and Sandy-bridge is the way I’m looking to go. I know the new Xeons are coming out soon, and I’ve been using xeons for years. But here’s the problem- I use to have to buy 2 quad core xeons – now I can get one fast 8 core processor. I know I can get (2) 6 core xeons, running about 1 ghz slower, but multiplying my cores by 1.5x on this build.
But here’s the other part I’m hung up on- processors always get compared to processors. And I know in theory that xeons are better for workstations. But I keep finding that workstation/server motherboards are really built for servers, and not including new technologies. Lack of usb ports on the back, lack of sata 3, no usb 3.0 headers, no built in Bluetooth support. And now I see that gaming boards are coming ready for pci-e 3.0 pipelines.
I guess what I’m wondering is this – is there a change happening in the market? With the ability to make 8 core single processors are we really going to see much of a difference in i7/dual xeon performance? Even though xeons look better on paper, are the limited technologies of the motherboards they go on going to disappoint us? (I’m tired of adding pci-e usb 3.0 headers on to get up to date, etc.) I was looking at similar motherboards from Asus for instance. Their gaming board has sata 3 standard. The workstation board requires an expensive add on to get sata 3 ports to work on the mainboard.
So what do we think? I’m starting to think that lately there’s a lot more reason to build an i7 workstation than a xeon one. And is Sandy Bridge finally a time when there isn’t going to be a large enough difference between the two to make that justification? I know I ‘lose’ 4 cores (though running 1.0 ghz slower) but it seems like I’m sacrificing a lot more in choosing to build a workstation. And maybe there’s an article on this I’m missing, but I can’t find it. And I know that the people on Tom’s Hardware are the most knowledgeable out there. Does anyone have any thoughts?
i guess that's just the route i take. I'm going to consider buying a gamer board with a single fast 8 (or 10) core xeon in it if Asus allows it in the bios. i figure that will still smoke the dual quad core setup i have now. I think I'd like to liquid cool in my case and that makes dual processor setups near impossible too. I used CoolIT liquid systems for a while and they were terrible (I have 2 computers, 5 different setups, 2 burned out pumps, and finally a 'custom designed' one for my case/motherboard setup that didn't even fit and the hoses were too small to even route.) NEVER buy from them. I guess I've got a lot of thinking to do.
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