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September 26, 2011 9:47:18 AM

Hi people,
I'm looking to build a new comp(my first build) and honestly, i'm confused.
I'm planning to watch movies on it, play BF3 and other FPS's and RTS's.
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Approximate Purchase Date: after i get all the parts checked under an experts eye(you guys)

Budget Range: 1000 USD or about 55K INR

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Movies, Internet

Parts Not Required:

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: any as long as it delivers to india, i use this one: www.theitwares.com

Country of Origin: India (if that matters)

Parts Preferences: i would like a future proof CPU, im not planning to upgrade soon

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution:1600x1200

Additional Comments: Its gotta be cool, quiet and future proof for 1-2 years.

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I already have a few parts listed out. Please tell me if its worth buying.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive [ST31000528AS]
http://www.theitwares.com/seagate-barracuda-720012-st31...

Intel Core i5 2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.theitwares.com/intel-core-2500k-sandy-bridge...

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case [PC-K62]
http://www.theitwares.com/lian-lancool-pck62-black-secc...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full
http://www.theitwares.com/microsoft-windows-home-premiu...

ASUS P8P67 DELUXE B3 Revision LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard [P8P67 DELUXE B3 Revision]
http://www.theitwares.com/asus-p8p67-deluxe-revision-11...

G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR [F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR]
http://www.theitwares.com/gskill-sniper-240pin-ddr3-sdr...

CORSAIR GS600 Gaming Series 600W 80 PLUS Certified Power Supply [GS600]
http://www.theitwares.com/corsair-gs600-gaming-series-6...

SAPPHIRE 100312-1GSR Radeon HD 6950 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.theitwares.com/sapphire-1003121gsr-radeon-69...

Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus CPU cooler
http://www.theitwares.com/coolermaster-hyper-plus-coole...

LG 24X Sata Internal DVD Writer - GH24
http://www.theitwares.com/sata-internal-writer-gh24-p-2...


Tell me how you like it. Comment, criticize, anything!

Q: Will the cooler fit in the case with the mobo?


Thanks in advance :D  :D 








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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 10:10:46 AM

Overall build looks good.

Hyper 212+ is 16cm tall, case is 21cm wide, should be plenty of room there :) 

This SeaSonic PSU will save you some money and will work perfectly: http://www.theitwares.com/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-520w-at... keep in mind 750w PSU is recommended for SLI though so it might be best to buy a better PSU in your initial build, rather than having to swap it later on http://www.theitwares.com/seasonic-x760-ss760km-760w-at...

One thing I would say is don't pay the extra for the DELUXE motherboard, it just isn't worth it. This GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 is probably your best option: http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-gap67aud4b3-1155-int... or the Z68 version of the board that's a little more expensive.

Also make sure you get a 64-bit Windows OS - I couldn't tell if the one you listed was 32 or 64bit. But 32-bit wont make use of more than 4GB of your RAM.

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September 26, 2011 10:14:49 AM

Thanks, this'll cut down the costs!

I think i'm going to Crossfire/SLI, what wold you recommend that works well?
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September 26, 2011 10:17:32 AM

Could i go for an AMD Llano APU?

They seem cheaper and have an inbuilt GPU.
Also, I've seen that AMD's are cheaper than Intel, any recommendations for that?
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 10:56:25 AM

Stick with the i5-2500k - its a monster of a CPU. Best value for money by a good margin.

Built in GPU wont make any difference to you since your using a Graphics card anyway. Z68 motherboards also have built in graphics, but again, you wont be making use of this with a discrete graphics card).

If your going to crossfire/SLI 6950's are a good choice, stick with the 750w PSU I listed, and the Gigabyte motherboard (which is SLI/Crossfire ready).
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September 26, 2011 11:22:41 AM

AdrianPerry said:
Stick with the i5-2500k - its a monster of a CPU. Best value for money by a good margin.

Built in GPU wont make any difference to you since your using a Graphics card anyway. Z68 motherboards also have built in graphics, but again, you wont be making use of this with a discrete graphics card).

If your going to crossfire/SLI 6950's are a good choice, stick with the 750w PSU I listed, and the Gigabyte motherboard (which is SLI/Crossfire ready).


What would be a good single card(no SLI/Crossfire) and a PSU to support it?
I really don't know how to Crossfire, so that's kind of a problem.
Also, is the 6950 an equivalent of an nVidia gtx 560 Ti?
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September 26, 2011 11:36:27 AM

AdrianPerry said:
Overall build looks good.

Hyper 212+ is 16cm tall, case is 21cm wide, should be plenty of room there :) 

This SeaSonic PSU will save you some money and will work perfectly: http://www.theitwares.com/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-520w-at... keep in mind 750w PSU is recommended for SLI though so it might be best to buy a better PSU in your initial build, rather than having to swap it later on http://www.theitwares.com/seasonic-x760-ss760km-760w-at...

One thing I would say is don't pay the extra for the DELUXE motherboard, it just isn't worth it. This GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 is probably your best option: http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-gap67aud4b3-1155-int... or the Z68 version of the board that's a little more expensive.

Also make sure you get a 64-bit Windows OS - I couldn't tell if the one you listed was 32 or 64bit. But 32-bit wont make use of more than 4GB of your RAM.


So the 520W SeaSonic is okay for a single 6950?
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 12:02:40 PM

Yes 6950 is roughly the same performance as a GTX 560Ti.

500w PSU and a single GTX 560Ti or single 6950 would be fine.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 12:03:11 PM

adityar0210 said:
So the 520W SeaSonic is okay for a single 6950?


Yes
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September 26, 2011 12:23:23 PM

AdrianPerry said:
Yes


I think i should give myself some headroom for future OCing, so im going with the 600W Corsair i started out with, given the 4 case fans.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 12:40:14 PM

Not sure how case fans make any difference, but ok :) 
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September 26, 2011 12:43:11 PM

Oh yeah, i looked at this:

http://www.theitwares.com/phenom-1100t-black-edition-th...

its got six cores AND 3.3 ghz, and at at a lower price than the 2500k.

So is it supposed to be better?(i feel like a complete nooblet!)

BTW what wattage PSU are you using?

ANOTHER question: How many fans does a mobo supports at once?(NOOB ALERT!)
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 12:50:01 PM

XFX 750w with my GTX 560Ti so I can add a second card in SLI in a few months time.

More cores doesnt necessarily mean better performance. It depends what its being used for. The i5-2500k might have less cores (4) but it has faster cores (higher clock speeds). Games dont currently use more than 4 cores, so having 6 gives no extra benefit. However the CPU with the faster cores, will perform better.

The i5-2500k is so popular because of the potential each core has, generally with a fairly good after-market CPU cooler, the i5-2500k can easily run at 4.5GHz across all 4 cores, giving much better performance in games than 6 cores at 3.3GHz (on the AMD). Thats not to say this wont change in the future, but as it stands currently the huge clock speeds achievable on the i5-2500k are a real selling point.
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September 26, 2011 12:53:58 PM

TY Adrian, you've been a great help!

PS- is there a limit as to how many case fans a motherboard can support?

PPS:- Do you work in an IT company? (you know SOOOO much about computers!)
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 1:06:24 PM

I actually do work in IT, yes. I work for a company providing storage solutions to other company's (back ups, server support, antivirus monitoring ect ect). Most of my "gaming" knowledge has just come from general interest however.

Your motherboard will generally have what's called "fan headers". These are usually for 3 or 4 pin fans and the amount of them depends on the motherboard you chose, some have lots, some have just 1-2. Some fans, particularly case fans, are often "molex" connections (sometimes known as peripheral connectors). These plug directly into your power supply and you can "daisy-chain" them together, so 1 connection on your PSU could be supporting for example 5-6 fans.

In this picture, the molex connector plugs into your power supply, and the other 4 ports are to plug in 3/4pin fans. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CB-030-AK_400.jpg

And in this picture, this is the type of splitter to use if all your fans are molex fans. You can plug a few of these into each other so 1 end will go to your power supply, and the empty sockets can all have fans plugged in. http://www.mdsurplus.com/store/images/products/molex_sp...
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September 26, 2011 1:15:06 PM

AdrianPerry said:
I actually do work in IT, yes. I work for a company providing storage solutions to other company's (back ups, server support, antivirus monitoring ect ect). Most of my "gaming" knowledge has just come from general interest however.

Your motherboard will generally have what's called "fan headers". These are usually for 3 or 4 pin fans and the amount of them depends on the motherboard you chose, some have lots, some have just 1-2. Some fans, particularly case fans, are often "molex" connections (sometimes known as peripheral connectors). These plug directly into your power supply and you can "daisy-chain" them together, so 1 connection on your PSU could be supporting for example 5-6 fans.

In this picture, the molex connector plugs into your power supply, and the other 4 ports are to plug in 3/4pin fans. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CB-030-AK_400.jpg

And in this picture, this is the type of splitter to use if all your fans are molex fans. You can plug a few of these into each other so 1 end will go to your power supply, and the empty sockets can all have fans plugged in. http://www.mdsurplus.com/store/images/products/molex_sp...


Will I need to buy those splitters for my case fans or does the motherboard have enough headers?
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 1:24:00 PM

The case fans should be molex connectors and are probably already daisy chained together so you will just need to plug them into your PSU.

The Corsair GS600 you listed comes with 8 peripheral connectors, so that's plenty of connectors to hook up the case fans without needing splitters.
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September 26, 2011 1:37:59 PM

Best answer selected by adityar0210.
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September 26, 2011 1:40:12 PM

Thanks a lot, Adrian.

I'm all out of questions, strangely.


PS:- I wanted to know that-----just kidding.
Really, though, I am all out of questions.

And I didn't know those peripheral connectors were meant for case fans and whatnot.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2011 1:44:16 PM

No problem :)  Good luck with your build :D 
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September 26, 2011 1:44:46 PM

adityar0210 said:
I think i should give myself some headroom for future OCing, so im going with the 600W Corsair i started out with, given the 4 case fans.


Single card solution can run on 500watts NO PROBLEM. No need to upgrade to Corsair 600w. I was a little overzealous myself and got a OCZ StealthxStream II (FSP OEM) and its totally unnecessary.

My system probably pulls 450~ watts at load.
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September 26, 2011 2:08:03 PM

hehe you just told me about a great site aditya :D  we only have a equivalent site starting up in delhi, ratetorate.in. It doesn't have so much stuff though!

btw do you live in mumbai? what's their shipping like? As inm will they like charge a lot if i ask them to ship a cabinet all the way to delhi?

EDIT: Just went over the site...sort of more expensive than Delhi...

btw, try using a WD caviar green or blue instead of a seagate drive. I've found WD to be better (i've used both). You could use the green+get an intel SSD (they have an international warranty, so you could maybe get one from the US if it's possible, would save a few thousand).

Though if you'd not want an SSD then i guess seagate is giving a faster drive.
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September 26, 2011 4:06:44 PM

ojas said:
hehe you just told me about a great site aditya :D  we only have a equivalent site starting up in delhi, ratetorate.in. It doesn't have so much stuff though!

btw do you live in mumbai? what's their shipping like? As inm will they like charge a lot if i ask them to ship a cabinet all the way to delhi?

EDIT: Just went over the site...sort of more expensive than Delhi...

btw, try using a WD caviar green or blue instead of a seagate drive. I've found WD to be better (i've used both). You could use the green+get an intel SSD (they have an international warranty, so you could maybe get one from the US if it's possible, would save a few thousand).

Though if you'd not want an SSD then i guess seagate is giving a faster drive.


Well, actually since I do live in Mumbai they give me free shipping. To delhi, they would charge a little, but not much. It says Rs 650 for a cabby shipping, but i think its going to be much less than that, because lots of people from Orissa and Bihar order from their website. The owner also posted some great deals on techenclave.com. If you dont like the shipping costs, heres another:- www.theitdepot.com

They've got a wider range of products and laptops, but its Kolkata based, so they do charge for shipping, but very little.

And, yeah, i would like an SSD. Where do you suggest i buy one? I'd go for a 500GB HDD+128GB SSD anyday.
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September 29, 2011 4:11:19 PM

^no point of the phenom.

@aditya:
i thought the itdepot was Chennai based? i remember reading something about shipping only to southern states or something....anyway, probably non in Calcutta too as you say, so will look it up.

i really don't know where you could get an SSD from. i mean, you can find them on www.ebay.in, otherwise www.ratetorate.in has some too., but wouldn't know where the best deal lies.

i'll probably buy in a few months, an intel one that i'll ask a relative to fetch from the US. The only reason is reliability, i don't want to go through an RMA process (because we don't have newegg like service anywhere i think :(  ), plus there's an Intel service centre a few kilometres from my house, and a 5 year warranty on their 320-series drives. send them a mail/live chat with them and ask them where you could buy or something, they're pretty helpful.

Crucial isn't in India i think, the only other safe option is samsung.

edit: they're Chennai based, friend.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 29, 2011 8:26:57 PM

ojas said:
^no point of the phenom.

...


Gee. I guess you missed the MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III PE/OC Radeon HD 6950 2GB which will unlock to an HD6970 2GB, and the ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX which, regretfully, is now out-of-stock.

But, that's okay, though the Crosshair IV is an outstanding motherboard, the MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 890FX is also a tremendous motherboard, an outstanding value, and also supports the new AM3+ Bulldozer processors...

and when combined with the AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz reduces the total price to ...


Rs.32,500
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 7:13:24 AM

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Why you so pro Adrian? Did someone feed you full of info O_o

^_^ GL with the build, post some pics for us when its completed ^_^



:sol:  :kaola:  :bounce: 
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September 30, 2011 12:54:31 PM

ojas said:
^no point of the phenom.

@aditya:
i thought the itdepot was Chennai based? i remember reading something about shipping only to southern states or something....anyway, probably non in Calcutta too as you say, so will look it up.

i really don't know where you could get an SSD from. i mean, you can find them on www.ebay.in, otherwise www.ratetorate.in has some too., but wouldn't know where the best deal lies.

i'll probably buy in a few months, an intel one that i'll ask a relative to fetch from the US. The only reason is reliability, i don't want to go through an RMA process (because we don't have newegg like service anywhere i think :(  ), plus there's an Intel service centre a few kilometres from my house, and a 5 year warranty on their 320-series drives. send them a mail/live chat with them and ask them where you could buy or something, they're pretty helpful.

Crucial isn't in India i think, the only other safe option is samsung.

edit: they're Chennai based, friend.



Sorry, I mixed Chennai up with Kolkata.
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September 30, 2011 12:58:12 PM

Wisecracker said:
Gee. I guess you missed the MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III PE/OC Radeon HD 6950 2GB which will unlock to an HD6970 2GB, and the ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX which, regretfully, is now out-of-stock.

But, that's okay, though the Crosshair IV is an outstanding motherboard, the MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 890FX is also a tremendous motherboard, an outstanding value, and also supports the new AM3+ Bulldozer processors...

and when combined with the AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz reduces the total price to ...


Rs.32,500


How are you supposed to 'unlock' a GPU?
I'll go for the one you said if its better.

And about the motherboard, i'm okay with Intel. I'm not going to be buying the parts 'till Oct 4th, so I hope the BullDozer CPU's come out by then.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 4:07:09 PM

MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition Unlocking

You should be fine pushing a single video card with the PhII 955BE -- even better with a nice OC on both the CPU and GPU. The 'early-adopter' price premium on Bulldozer will likely be quite high, and in the 1H-2012 the BD Vishera with 'Piledriver' cores should hit the market, giving you some interesting upgrade options.

An AM3+ motherboard if they are available to you would offer better 'electricals' and Turbo, but that MSI motherboard performs in substantially the same manner as the Asus CrossHair with a few less 'bells and whistles'.

This will give you an idea of the power needs of the HD6950 when modded and 'juiced' ...



You will not likely meet the Furmark power demands, but if you are considering a potential CrossFire in the future, a 750w PSU would be a good move.

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October 1, 2011 5:48:20 PM

I STILL don't get why someone building a new build would get a phenom. Or anything AMD. At least not with a budget of Rs.55K. Agreed, the price is less with AMD, but then it's not like the phenom matches the Core i5's performance or anything. K-series chips can be overclocked too, to 4.5 GHz if you can manage it.

Even if you go for a Radeon, i would still stay stick with an Intel CPU for the moment. Plus Ivy bridge will be an "upgrade option" too. Bulldozer may stand up to sandy bridge, hard to say really. I don't see why you'd but 2 cpus in the span of a few months when you could buy one that may be better than both for the same price (or maybe less).

Besides, Bulldozer is unlikely in 3 days. :D 


p.s. you unlock a GPU by updating the bios. Basically some 2GB 6950s are actually handicapped 6970s being sold as a lower model (than the 6970) and at a lower price (but higher than the 1GB 6950). It was found that flashing the 6970s bios on to some 2GB 6950s unlocked a full 6970 (and thus more performance). Doesn't work always and you may end up with a wasted card.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2011 1:15:10 AM

ojas said:
I STILL don't get why someone building a new build would get a phenom. Or anything AMD. At least not with a budget of Rs.55K. Agreed, the price is less with AMD, but then it's not like the phenom matches the Core i5's performance or anything. K-series chips can be overclocked too, to 4.5 GHz if you can manage it.

Even if you go for a Radeon, i would still stay stick with an Intel CPU for the moment. Plus Ivy bridge will be an "upgrade option" too. Bulldozer may stand up to sandy bridge, hard to say really. I don't see why you'd but 2 cpus in the span of a few months when you could buy one that may be better than both for the same price (or maybe less).

Besides, Bulldozer is unlikely in 3 days. :D 


p.s. you unlock a GPU by updating the bios. Basically some 2GB 6950s are actually handicapped 6970s being sold as a lower model (than the 6970) and at a lower price (but higher than the 1GB 6950). It was found that flashing the 6970s bios on to some 2GB 6950s unlocked a full 6970 (and thus more performance). Doesn't work always and you may end up with a wasted card.


I'd love to see a link backing up that statement. As noted above it has a success rate above 97%.

And on the very, very, very small chance it does not work, you simply revert to the original BIOS.


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October 7, 2011 6:37:11 PM

wasn't exactly an illogical scare statement. was just a cautionary statement. i remembered reading about bricked cards and reverting the BIOS (if the card has a backup bios). Just avoided mentioning that for the sake of simplicity. In retrospect, maybe i should have.

i didn't know about the 97% number though, so if it's true, what the hell. I'm still using a 9600GT, so never read much more about it.

btw, if you say 97% success rate, which => 3% fail rate, which is exactly what i wanted to say, that it may fail.

Cheers.
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