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December 28, 2011 6:49:12 AM

Hi i just got the new Skyrim and AC revelations.I just want to know if a core i3 2100 is going to give me improvement in fps over my AMD athlon x4 635.In skyrim my minimum FPS is 22fps and average is 56fps.In AC minimum is 34fps and average is 57fps.Playing on 1920x1080.

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AMD ATHLON X4 635
4GIGS DDR3 Ram
GTX 460 1G Cyclone
Windows 7 64bit

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December 28, 2011 7:07:11 AM

It maybe on your cpu.Dont go crazy resoulation and turn off vsync unload other neccesary programs while gaming and defragment hard disk daily
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December 28, 2011 7:09:42 AM

And what driver are u using. Best nvidia driver is 285
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December 28, 2011 7:10:30 AM

that should be good enough and would not be worth to upgrade to an i3. Skyrim is just 1 game thats going to be slow because its very cpu intensive and horribly optimized cause even an i5 can't play it well on max.

That gpu is not bottlenecking your system at all.
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December 28, 2011 7:14:15 AM

I am using the 285.62 driver.I ment is the gtx 460 bottlenecked by my CPU.
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December 28, 2011 7:15:04 AM

the cpu isn't bottlenecking either.
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December 28, 2011 7:17:29 AM

ok just save up for the 2600k them\n
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December 28, 2011 7:19:57 AM

torres said:
Hi i just got the new Skyrim and AC revelations.I just want to know if a core i3 2100 is going to give me improvement in fps over my AMD athlon x4 635.In skyrim my minimum FPS is 22fps and average is 56fps.In AC minimum is 34fps and average is 57fps.Playing on 1920x1080.

SYSTEM
AMD ATHLON X4 635
4GIGS DDR3 Ram
GTX 460 1G Cyclone
Windows 7 64bit

An INTEL i5 2500 will net you a min Framerate of 33fps in Skyrim according to Tom's http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-... so if you feel that is a worthy upgrade for you than go for it because the i5 is a great CPU anyway you slice it.
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December 28, 2011 7:21:07 AM

this build is pretty balanced and you can probably just use it until you build a completely new system when you have the money.
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December 28, 2011 7:21:10 AM

Your current CPU is bottlnecking you to hell on Skyrim - I run a Q6600@3.4 and get minimums of 25fps, its horrid.

However otherwise I wouldnt think so - Games these days make nicely balanced budget rigs cry - One day youll see GPU usage at ~60% and CPU usage at 100% and next youll see CPU at 40% and GPU at 100% - (Skyrim and BF3, respectivley xD)

A Core i3 2100 will make an Athlon II 635 feel like a snail in CPU intensive games though - they are brilliant little Chips.
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December 28, 2011 7:25:16 AM

I think i will get the 2500k.Any good CPU coolers so that i Can overclock the cpu
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December 28, 2011 7:26:42 AM

torres said:
I think i will get the 2500k.Any good CPU coolers so that i Can overclock the cpu

Cooler Master hyper 212+ can not be beat for its price point and performance it delivers.
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December 28, 2011 7:30:02 AM

is it better to have a faster cpu or a faster graphics card.Like 2600k and gtx 460 or a 2100 and gtx 570.
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December 28, 2011 7:31:59 AM

generally if you are gaming its better to have a faster gpu. Skyrim is just an exception because its coded poorly or something for the cpu.
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December 28, 2011 7:35:02 AM

torres said:
is it better to have a faster cpu or a faster graphics card.Like 2600k and gtx 460 or a 2100 and gtx 570.

2600k is a waste for gaming when a 2500k offers all the same performance of the 2600k as far as gaming is concerned the 2500k is as good as it gets for today. A better GPU is always a better idea if you already have a competent CPU and gaming is paramount to you wants/needs in your rig.
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December 28, 2011 7:51:57 AM

athlon ii x4 635 vs core i3 2100
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/122?vs=289
if you go with intel, you'll need to change your motherboard as well as your cpu. do you have budget for upgrades like that? i ask this because your current setup isn't all that bad. it will get bottlenecked while playing cpu-bound games. but it will bottleneck less with gpu bound games as you have a competent gtx 460.
also, in 4-6 months intel's new ivy bridge cpu line will be released. those promise 10-15% more cpu performance.
better cpu gets you higher min. fps. means slightly smoother gameplay as you go up. here's the cpu hierarchy chart from november;
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overcloc...
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December 28, 2011 7:55:14 AM

Thats why i want to upgrade my cpu so that my min fps can increase
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December 28, 2011 8:04:01 AM

torres said:
Thats why i want to upgrade my cpu so that my min fps can increase

what is your budget? (cpu, mobo, ram, psu etc.) what are your current ram and psu?
sandy bridge supports 1.5v ddr3 ram. with a core i5 2500k and a z68 motherboad you will be able to use higher speed ram like ddr3 1600 (1.5v).
to run gfx cards and oc cpu, a good 500+ watt, 80+ rated, active pfc power supply. check power supply sections if you need a new psu.
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December 28, 2011 8:11:57 AM

i have a coolermaster gx650w and my budget is 550$ and i have 4gigs ddr3 of 1333mhz
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December 28, 2011 8:18:40 AM

I'd say you can probably get an i5 2500k and be good with that budget. no need to look at the i3s :p 
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December 28, 2011 8:21:29 AM

any good motherboards for the 2500k that supports SLI
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December 28, 2011 8:31:27 AM

Thanks for the advice.I just want to know if it is a good idea to use beta drivers.
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December 28, 2011 8:38:56 AM

torres said:
Thanks for the advice.I just want to know if it is a good idea to use beta drivers.

This MOBO is good and cheap http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and if anyone can chime in about if SLI16x/8x has any scaling problems over 8x/8x etc I mean does it need to be split at the same speed between PCI-E lanes in SLI for acceptable performance.
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December 28, 2011 11:02:01 AM

Headspin_69 said:
This MOBO is good and cheap http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and if anyone can chime in about if SLI16x/8x has any scaling problems over 8x/8x etc I mean does it need to be split at the same speed between PCI-E lanes in SLI for acceptable performance.


You want to be going Z68 these days - I recommend a P8Z68-V-PRO all day.

As far as x8/x8 it doesnt matter these days. With top end cards your looking at around ~5% overall performance drop in worst case scenario.

Z68 will allow for PCI-E 3.0 assuming an Ivy Bridge CPU is dropped in - this will result in PCI-E 3.0 x8/x8 = PCI-E 2.0 x16/x16


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December 28, 2011 11:06:51 AM

torres said:
Hi i just got the new Skyrim and AC revelations.I just want to know if a core i3 2100 is going to give me improvement in fps over my AMD athlon x4 635.In skyrim my minimum FPS is 22fps and average is 56fps.In AC minimum is 34fps and average is 57fps.Playing on 1920x1080.

SYSTEM
AMD ATHLON X4 635
4GIGS DDR3 Ram
GTX 460 1G Cyclone
Windows 7 64bit


A bottleneck may occur, however it won't be a massive bottleneck with will affect your gaming habits to the point where you can't play them. If you want an upgrade I suggest you wait because that bottleneck is not massive.
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December 28, 2011 11:27:50 AM

deadjon said:
You want to be going Z68 these days - I recommend a P8Z68-V-PRO all day.

As far as x8/x8 it doesnt matter these days. With top end cards your looking at around ~5% overall performance drop in worst case scenario.

Z68 will allow for PCI-E 3.0 assuming an Ivy Bridge CPU is dropped in - this will result in PCI-E 3.0 x8/x8 = PCI-E 2.0 x16/x16

We all know 8x/8x and 16x/16x is all good but what I was getting at is can 16x/8x run any good because a $114 msi does 16x/8x SLI/CF and I was wondering for the OP is 16x/8x jankey or not.
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December 28, 2011 12:13:30 PM

i don't think the msi motherboard overclocks as well as other boards. the only review i could find said that a core i7 2600k reached only(!) 4.3 ghz on air with 1.375 vcore.
From $100 To $160: Five Z68-Based Boards, Compared
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December 28, 2011 12:23:47 PM

If it helps, I am rocking Skyrim @ Ultra settings, 16 x AF / 4 x AF / FSAA @ 1920 x 1080 using the following:

Intel Q9650 @ 3.6
4 GB DDR2-800 RAM @ 4-4-4-12
MSI GTX 460 1GB (slight factory overclock)

So far i have had one instance where i could feel a drop in FPS but it was not bad by any means...
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December 28, 2011 1:02:54 PM

it only drops that low when i am looking at markoth from the sindna mine entrence.
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December 28, 2011 1:24:27 PM

deadjon said:
You want to be going Z68 these days - I recommend a P8Z68-V-PRO all day.

As far as x8/x8 it doesnt matter these days. With top end cards your looking at around ~5% overall performance drop in worst case scenario.

Z68 will allow for PCI-E 3.0 assuming an Ivy Bridge CPU is dropped in - this will result in PCI-E 3.0 x8/x8 = PCI-E 2.0 x16/x16

PCI-E 3.0 is and will be useless and nobody needs USB 3
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December 28, 2011 1:39:35 PM

Headspin_69 said:
PCI-E 3.0 is and will be useless and nobody needs USB 3

that was an unncecessary and wrong thing to say.
if you'd read anandtech's 7970 review, you would have seen that the 7970 benefits from pcie 3. the future cards will be able to use pcie 3 well, too.
as for usb 3, it is ubiquitous easy to use. pretty useful, offers much better transfer speed than usb 2. so ubiquitous that even intel is forced to implement it natively with ivb.
speaking from personal experience, as i use external devices everyday, usb 3.0 would be a huge boon.
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December 28, 2011 1:44:56 PM

de5_Roy said:
that was an unncecessary and wrong thing to say.
if you'd read anandtech's 7970 review, you would have seen that the 7970 benefits from pcie 3. the future cards will be able to use pcie 3 well, too.
as for usb 3, it is ubiquitous easy to use. pretty useful, offers much better transfer speed than usb 2. so ubiquitous that even intel is forced to implement it natively with ivb.
speaking from personal experience, as i use external devices everyday, usb 3.0 would be a huge boon.

I have the age and wisdom and patience on my side USB 3 is not needed for end users on the mainstream/entertainment/consumer level and the next cards coming out in about a week are PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 will not make a tangible difference when the framerate is so high to begin with on the 7xxx cards. In short I and many others would be well to do to spend less and save more money because z68 is marketing Bull when it comes down to it.
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December 28, 2011 1:53:13 PM

Headspin_69 said:
I have the age and wisdom and patience on my side USB 3 is not needed for end users on the mainstream/entertainment/consumer level and the next cards coming out in about a week are PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 will not make a tangible difference when the framerate is so high to begin with on the 7xxx cards. In short I and many others would be well to do to spend less and save more money because z68 is marketing Bull when it comes down to it.

lol z68 has nothing to do with pcie 3.0 nor usb 3.0.
z68 natively supports 14 usb 2.0 ports. it doesn't even support usb 3.0, motherboard manufacturers use 3rd party usb 3.0 controller chips for usb 3.0 support. afaik amd llano is the first cpu(apu) to natively support usb 3.0, ivb would be the second.
z68 doesn't support pcie 3.0 either. even intel's new panther point chipset don't have pcie 3 lanes. those come from the cpu's pcie controller. some z68 motherboards only have electronic circuitry to switch the pcie slots from pcie 2 to pcie 3 when ivb cpu is used. that's all.
besides, one can get a pcie 3.0 capable motherboard under $130, that's quite cheap considering z68 motherboards usually sell for $160 and upwards.
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December 28, 2011 1:55:51 PM

de5_Roy said:
lol z68 has nothing to do with pcie 3.0 nor usb 3.0.
z68 natively supports 14 usb 2.0 ports. it doesn't even support usb 3.0, motherboard manufacturers use 3rd party usb 3.0 controller chips for usb 3.0 support. afaik amd llano is the first cpu(apu) to natively support usb 3.0, ivb would be the second.
z68 doesn't support pcie 3.0 either. even intel's new panther point chipset don't have pcie 3 lanes. those come from the cpu's pcie controller. some z68 motherboards only have electronic circuitry to switch the pcie slots from pcie 2 to pcie 3 when ivb cpu is used. that's all.
besides, one can get a pcie 3.0 capable motherboard under $130, that's quite cheap considering z68 motherboards usually sell for $160 and upwards.

P67 is the same less the things you do want or need like gimmicks suck as 3.0
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December 28, 2011 2:03:56 PM

Headspin_69 said:
P67 is the same less the things you do want or need like gimmicks suck as 3.0

lol okay.
afaik p67 motherboards also use 3rd party usb 3 controllers. they've been using since sandy bridge launched. that's the ubiquity (the universal part) of usb, man. no getting away from it. :) 
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December 28, 2011 2:07:05 PM

de5_Roy said:
lol okay.
afaik p67 motherboards also use 3rd party usb 3 controllers. they've been using since sandy bridge launched. that's the ubiquity (the universal part) of usb, man. no getting away from it. :) 

Why pay more for things you really dont utalise like PCIe 3 usb 3 you want more graphics performance not a gimmick that should be a freebe. INTEL MARKETING BULL
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December 28, 2011 2:19:37 PM

Headspin_69 said:
Why pay more for things you really dont utalise like PCIe 3 usb 3 you want more graphics performance not a gimmick that should be a freebe. INTEL MARKETING BULL

take it easy. it's nothing to get angry over. :) 
(btw, have you noticed that you're almost hijacking this thread? deja vu?)
prices of pcie 3 and usb 3 depend on the implementation, motherboard manufacturers etc. since the pcie main controller in on the cpu die, mobo builders don't have to worry about that. and every kind of circuit implementation costs money, no matter how big or small. from better capacitors, vrm modules to wifi chips to lan controllers to sata chips everything costs some money and go into the final cost of the mobo. even the 'freebies' offered with paid stuff has a price. it's a marketing thing i studied it long time ago and forgot about it..lol.
anyway, intel doesn't even have anything to do with pcie 3.0 or usb 3, they don't even market it. they have their own universal interconnect tech they advertise. that's a whole different thing altogether. anyway, it's the motherboard companies like asus, asrock, gigabyte, msi that advertise usb 3 and pcie 3, not intel. you won't even find any mention of pcie 3 on intel's own z68 board, usb 3 takes only a minor mention.
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December 28, 2011 2:20:54 PM

torres said:
Thanks for the advice.I just want to know if it is a good idea to use beta drivers.

if you have a backup then its ok, the drivers are more like minor updates than betas, but they have caused trouble in the past, but you can always reinstall the previous version. both nvidia and atiamd use point and beta releases, nothing to sweat about. if you are SLI'd then you'll NEED to use them more, if you play games the moment they come out then you'll just need to use them.
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December 28, 2011 2:21:41 PM

de5_Roy said:
take it easy. it's nothing to get angry over. :) 
(btw, have you noticed that you're almost hijacking this thread? deja vu?)
prices of pcie 3 and usb 3 depend on the implementation, motherboard manufacturers etc. since the pcie main controller in on the cpu die, mobo builders don't have to worry about that. and every kind of circuit implementation costs money, no matter how big or small. from better capacitors, vrm modules to wifi chips to lan controllers to sata chips everything costs some money and go into the final cost of the mobo. even the 'freebies' offered with paid stuff has a price. it's a marketing thing i studied it long time ago and forgot about it..lol.
anyway, intel doesn't even have anything to do with pcie 3.0 or usb 3, they don't even market it. they have their own universal interconnect tech they advertise. that's a whole different thing altogether. anyway, it's the motherboard companies like asus, asrock, gigabyte, msi that advertise usb 3 and pcie 3, not intel. you won't even find any mention of pcie 3 on intel's own z68 board, usb 3 takes only a minor mention.

cool story i will invest in more graphics hardware being i am an enthusiast gamer lol.
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December 28, 2011 2:28:06 PM

Headspin_69 said:
cool story i will invest in more graphics hardware being i am an enthusiast gamer lol.

exactly, for gaming it's always gfx cards first (as long as the psu supports it).
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