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Leaving the phenom 2's and going for FX, is it worth it?

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December 28, 2011 11:32:59 PM

So, as everyone knows, the beloved Phenoms are becoming a dying breed of processors, Newegg doesn't have any 1100/1090's in stock and probably never will. (Not to say they are gone from the Earth just because Neweeg doesn't have them) However, I'm looking to start a new build and don't want to build something with a CPU that's going to be history soon. So, of course I'm looking at the FX series, more specifically the fx-6100 just because I'm a poor college kid.

I realize the Fx-series is getting bashed by the "bad" benchmark ratings it's receiving and by the Phenom fanboys sad to see their top of line processor being replaced. But, from the people that actually use them for gaming and whatnot, they seem to be holding up to par. Im just wondering what you guys think, is it worth moving to the next gen of AMD CPU's when building a new build at this point in time, or stick with the "old" phenom's which clearly have a slight edge. I don't just want benchmark results spat at me and people saying the 1100T is better, because I know all that junk. I would like some input based on the future where FX will most likely rule AMD, and if it's worth the move to FX now when building a PC that will be used for the next 2 years.

(Any people using the Fx-6100, you could let me know how your experience has gone too :) )

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December 28, 2011 11:39:13 PM

It would be a better option to get an i3-2100.
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December 28, 2011 11:42:49 PM

amuffin said:
It would be a better option to get an i3-2100.


This clearly was not a relevant comment nor did it answer any part of the question, I'm leaning toward AMD, and mainly the FX6100
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December 28, 2011 11:43:37 PM

I'd go intel going for a new build if you can't get a phenom 2 for cheap
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December 28, 2011 11:53:47 PM

Either an I3 or I5 2500k and out of those two I would lean more towards the 2500k.
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December 29, 2011 12:09:37 AM

emlarsen2 said:
This clearly was not a relevant comment nor did it answer any part of the question, I'm leaning toward AMD, and mainly the FX6100

No, but the i3-2100 is cheaper than the 6100 and outperforms it.
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December 29, 2011 1:04:59 AM

Ok, so it looks like intel is really a good idea, but I was hoping to support AMD. It's quite sad AMD couldn't pull through here. So, all of you guys think the i-3 2100 is a solid processor enough to get me through the next 2 years? clearly the i-5 is better, but I don't know if I have the money.

EDIT: Also, will AMD radeon graphics cards work with an Intel motherboard?
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December 29, 2011 1:11:02 AM

yes the radeons will work with intel cpu.

if you want to support amd, the FX aren't that bad that you will feel like its crap once you get it. so An FX-4100 would be still an ok choice. the difference in gaming between it and an i3 would be minimal.
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December 29, 2011 3:47:27 PM

emlarsen2 said:
So, as everyone knows, the beloved Phenoms are becoming a dying breed of processors, Newegg doesn't have any 1100/1090's in stock and probably never will. (Not to say they are gone from the Earth just because Neweeg doesn't have them) However, I'm looking to start a new build and don't want to build something with a CPU that's going to be history soon. So, of course I'm looking at the FX series, more specifically the fx-6100 just because I'm a poor college kid.

I realize the Fx-series is getting bashed by the "bad" benchmark ratings it's receiving and by the Phenom fanboys sad to see their top of line processor being replaced. But, from the people that actually use them for gaming and whatnot, they seem to be holding up to par. Im just wondering what you guys think, is it worth moving to the next gen of AMD CPU's when building a new build at this point in time, or stick with the "old" phenom's which clearly have a slight edge. I don't just want benchmark results spat at me and people saying the 1100T is better, because I know all that junk. I would like some input based on the future where FX will most likely rule AMD, and if it's worth the move to FX now when building a PC that will be used for the next 2 years.

(Any people using the Fx-6100, you could let me know how your experience has gone too :) )




There will be a Win7 patch next month or so that will POSSIBLY increase perf by 15-20%. It's worth it.
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December 29, 2011 6:30:28 PM

BaronMatrix said:
There will be a Win7 patch next month or so that will POSSIBLY increase perf by 15-20%. It's worth it.

Then it will be comparable to 1st gen intel core series of cpu's, when intel will be on their 3rd gen cpu's.
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December 29, 2011 7:03:45 PM

It doesn't matter. Like you said it MIGHT make for a little bit better performance but by that point we'll be looking at Ivy Bridges and AMD will still be behind.
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December 31, 2011 5:47:09 AM

So, as a result due to lack of funds I went for the $105 960T and will decide if AMD can pull off the FX later this year. If so, an upgrade will be in order, but I think the 960T will pull through for me. Hopefully the Windows 7 patch will make the bulldozer a better competitor. As for Ivy Bridge, we will see what happens when it comes out, so don't count your intel chickens before they hatch. Everyone had high hopes for bulldozer, but look where that went...
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December 31, 2011 6:56:38 AM

One thing I would like to mention is that AMD motherboards are lot cheaper than the Intels.So if you are cash strapped then it would be quite logical to go for fx and then overclock it.But I would prefer fx 4110 over fx 6110 because 6 cores are mostly useless in gaming..Save the money and buy a better cooler.
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December 31, 2011 7:08:52 AM

sayantan said:
One thing I would like to mention is that AMD motherboards are lot cheaper than the Intels.So if you are cash strapped then it would be quite logical to go for fx and then overclock it.But I would prefer fx 4110 over fx 6110 because 6 cores are mostly useless in gaming..Save the money and buy a better cooler.

hehe fx 4100 isn't 4 cores its 2 cores and fx 6100 isn't 6 cores its 3 cores.
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December 31, 2011 7:14:04 AM

amuffin said:
hehe fx 4100 isn't 4 cores its 2 cores and fx 6100 isn't 6 cores its 3 cores.

I know that,they call it modules.4c=2module and 6c=3module.But under windows they are treated as individual cores.So a quad core optimized game would still not benefit from 3 modules because it behaves 6 individual cores under windows.
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December 31, 2011 7:20:46 AM

amuffin said:
hehe fx 4100 isn't 4 cores its 2 cores and fx 6100 isn't 6 cores its 3 cores.
they are cores. just because a pentium 4 is slow doesn't make it a half core cpu just as the case with bulldozer.
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December 31, 2011 7:13:27 PM

Are people still saying "1 modular = 1 core" ...

Just because 2 cores share resources within that modular, it doesn't make it one core... That's like saying every cpu = 1 core.

Well, at any rate, good choice on the 960t. Hopefully the win 7 patch + the second gen bulldozers clear up AMDs rep.
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December 31, 2011 8:05:58 PM

BaronMatrix said:
There will be a Win7 patch next month or so that will POSSIBLY increase perf by 15-20%. It's worth it.

:lol:  15 to 20%????

Where on Earth did you pull such crazy high percentages from? :pfff: 

It won't even be half of that on average, and probably not even on some weird corner case will it be that high.
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December 31, 2011 8:31:34 PM

Chad Boga said:
:lol:  15 to 20%????

Where on Earth did you pull such crazy high percentages from? :pfff: 

It won't even be half of that on average, and probably not even on some weird corner case will it be that high.

15-20%, bd is still slower :lol: 
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December 31, 2011 10:41:14 PM

emlarsen2 said:
So, as a result due to lack of funds I went for the $105 960T and will decide if AMD can pull off the FX later this year. If so, an upgrade will be in order, but I think the 960T will pull through for me. Hopefully the Windows 7 patch will make the bulldozer a better competitor. As for Ivy Bridge, we will see what happens when it comes out, so don't count your intel chickens before they hatch. Everyone had high hopes for bulldozer, but look where that went...


Good call, I was about to recommend you the 960t as it's one of the few Phenom II models currently available on the market and also the best value CPU (imo) you can get atm not only for his performance per watt but also for the possibility of a 5th or 6th core and for his overclock potential. Make sure you get a good motherboard tho, I recommend the ASUS M5A97 if you're limited with money, it's on socket AM3+ so you'll be able to upgrade to the incoming FX Piledriver if you desire.
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January 9, 2012 4:30:48 AM

Warrax22 said:
Good call, I was about to recommend you the 960t as it's one of the few Phenom II models currently available on the market and also the best value CPU (imo) you can get atm not only for his performance per watt but also for the possibility of a 5th or 6th core and for his overclock potential. Make sure you get a good motherboard tho, I recommend the ASUS M5A97 if you're limited with money, it's on socket AM3+ so you'll be able to upgrade to the incoming FX Piledriver if you desire.


Ya, I planned ahead with that too. I got the Asrock Extreme4 970: (I had a link but it's not working..)

I think i'll be happy with that. Sadly, I can't update on how anything performs because stores that shall not be named, which are supposed to have the... BEST possible BUY... haven't shipped my case yet, where the EGG got all the other items to me days ago. Very frustrating :fou:  . I'm thinking I'm either going to over clock the 960T or try to unlock the cores. I haven't decided which yet, who knows, maybe I'll do both :p 
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January 12, 2012 2:05:42 PM

Chad Boga said:
stonerock74 said:
There will be a Win7 patch next month or so that will POSSIBLY increase perf by 15-20%. It's worth it.

:lol:  15 to 20%????

Where on Earth did you pull such crazy high percentages from? :pfff: 

It won't even be half of that on average, and probably not even on some weird corner case will it be that high.

Well surprise surprise. :pfff:  :ange:  :non: 

Quote:
AMD: Windows 7 Scheduler Update Brings 1% - 2% Performance Improvement.

“Our testing shows that not every application realizes a performance boost. In fact, heavily threaded apps (those designed to use all 8 cores), get little or no uplift from this hotfix – they are already maxing out the processor. In other cases, the uplift averages out to a 1% - 2% uplift,” said Adam Kozak, a product marketing manager at AMD.


The advice you have been doling out to newbies in recent months has been absolutely diabolical.

From your 50% BD improvement over Thuban to your 1,000% exaggeration of the possible performance increase of the Win 7 patch.

Incredible, absolutely incredible.
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January 12, 2012 3:16:36 PM

if i was gonna make an amd gaming build i would still use the phenom 2 960 it is pretty much the best cpu amd have ever produced.. its efficient and over clocks well... gaming performance wise it will handle anything you throw at it... there is good reason to stay away from fx parts... 1 there server parts so are designed specifically to do multi threaded tasks in multi cpu builds and do it efficiently but at the cost of single threaded performance.
2 the cost of a new build doesnt warrant the money for the performance you will get, which in gaming will be 0% over the 960 which is a much cheaper part. meaning you will have more money for better gfx.
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January 12, 2012 4:40:17 PM

I have been spending about 2 weeks trying to awnser this question. There is no way I am going back to intel. AMD is for me. I am going for the FX 8120, I dont care what people say about it. With the windows update it will be worth it instead of spending money on a sandy bridge that will be outdated in 2 months with the new ivy bridge. PLUS you will have to buy a new mobo with a chipset that supports ivy.

AMD is the way to go and the best for a "future proof" PC.
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January 12, 2012 9:05:23 PM

wow... did you get that quote from a cereal box... theres no such thing as future proof...
amd have changed sockets every year to 18 months, and have introduced some new 1s already this year...(f1 socket). buldozer will be replaced within 12 months buy a smaller faster version... then that could well be it from amd as they switch to liano. intel on the other hand will change there sockets every 3 years... my x58 was in production till last autumn/fall which made it 3 years old... so i dunno where you get the change sockets more often... just because they have a range of sockets doesnt mean they keep changing them...

but hey its up to you if you want to buy sub standard parts. i certainly wont stop you... your just gonna find out the hard and expencive way they aint all that...

oh and the hot fix will be lucky to give 1-2 percent increase, and thats from the amd top brass.
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January 12, 2012 10:43:51 PM

dkm2 said:
I have been spending about 2 weeks trying to awnser this question. There is no way I am going back to intel. AMD is for me. I am going for the FX 8120, I dont care what people say about it. With the windows update it will be worth it instead of spending money on a sandy bridge that will be outdated in 2 months with the new ivy bridge. PLUS you will have to buy a new mobo with a chipset that supports ivy.

AMD is the way to go and the best for a "future proof" PC.


Wow really..so much wrong stuff it's not funny. The Windows update patch won't really do jack for Bulldozer and neither will Windows 8. As Chad said people are hyping again saying there will be a 15 to 20% increase in performance but It won't even be half of that on average, and probably not even on some weird corner case will it be that high. Also if you really believe that AMD is more "future proof" than Intel your living in a fantasy world. There is no such thing a future proofing there will always be a change between year to 18 months. Also your wrong about Ivy Bridges. You WILL NOT need to get a new motherboard for Ivy Bridges it will use socket 1155 and will be backwards compatible with Sandy Bridges. You will not need to get a new motherboard unless your going to get Ivy Bridges-E which will use socket 2011. Really though I don't see the point of getting a new motherboard for Ivy Bridges-E when it will be only a slight performance increase and Haswell will be just around the corner. Might as well wait for the big change with Haswell. If anything Intel is probably more "future proof" as you like to put it then AMD. But as if you want to buy slow, sub standard AMD CPU's thats your problem.
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January 13, 2012 2:47:31 AM

I didnt say the socket I said the chipset. So what you both are saying is that you shouldnt even upgrade amd OR intel because they will be replaced by liano and whatever intel has lined up. Well this is technology, IT CHANGES EVERYDAY. This shouldnt be a factor in choosing a CPU.
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January 13, 2012 3:09:24 AM

If you have an AM3+ socket motherboard, then you may want to wait for Piledriver. Hopefully AMD will work out the performance issues with the Bulldozer core and implement those changes to Piledriver.

Early estimates say a 10% increase in performance over Bulldozer, however early estimates said Bulldozer was supposed to perform much better than it actually does. Everyone needs to wait for benchmarks to find out the actual performance increase (if any).
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January 13, 2012 4:27:45 AM

Thank you jaguar! I suppose its a "dont judge a book by its cover" type of thing. Theres no way to know its true potential until it is fully compatable with everything.

Note: I wasnt even saying AMD was better than Intel.

Price: YES
Performance: N/A
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April 12, 2012 3:58:43 PM

amuffin said:
It would be a better option to get an i3-2100.

CPU benchmark i3 2100= 3851 AMD FX 6100= 5620 plus a good performance boost on windows 8, small boost with windows 7 patches on some applications.
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