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September 27, 2011 4:41:05 PM

Wicked sry because this post is HUGE but I want to give as much data as possible.

I have an issue with my New PC that has eluded me for a month now. I will try to be as detailed to my problem as i can be. Any type of feedback is welcome.


I am experiencing a stutter in some games that run fine on a previous computer build that I still have. The stutter also seems to effect video playback, however that may just be my imagination running wild over this issue.


The video stutter is like a frame skip, nothing "freezes" per say, but game play is not completely smooth either. This league of legends video on youtube is a good example of what I'm experiencing, even though this video is from a year ago:

HERE
In specific, the stutter at 0:11 seconds is very close to my issue, however my issue is more like a complete frame skip than it is a jump back like that example.

This occurs occasionally throughout the game, but becomes very pronounced during team fights, when there's a lot of action going on in game. My previous computer had no stutters like this whatsoever.



In Bad Company 2, the stutters are a LOT worse. I couldn't find a decent example, but imagine looking directly at an object (lets say a quadbike) and strafing around it in full circles while keeping your veiw on the quadbike, and seeing the type of mocrostutter shown above multiplied by about 10 times a second, and thats what Im seeing in BC2. (LOL I applaud you if you are still with me after that description)

In BC2, the issue is persistent in both single and multiplayer, however its not as bad in singleplayer. The interesting part is the issue does not present itself unless the mouse is moved to look around. Moving around without touching the mouse is substantially smoother. I should also note that BC2 was never played on the old rig, but I intend on installing it tonight to test as a control since I know this game has known issues with 4xx and 5xx series nVidia cards. <-- form what I've seen and read, the known bc2 issues are different from what I'm experiencing, and I would actually welcome that compared to this.


Finally, the last game I've gotten around to test is FarCry2. This is somewhat of a wildcard. Running FC2 in DX10 mode produces stuttering, but no where near as bad as bad company 2. However, if run in Dx9 mode, no stuttering at all. Nothing. Butter smooth. FC2 does have a known issue with frame rendering under dx10, and without going into too much detail there is a work around for it. It should suffice to say I have tried the dx10 workaround and it did not work. Issues did not seem to occur on my older rig at all.


I should also point out that no matter how much my video stutters, my audio NEVER does.



SYSTEM SPECS (NEW SYSTEM):
ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe mobo
i7 2600k processor
COOLERMASTER V8
G.Skill Ripjaws 8gb (2x4gb) 1600mhz
GeForce GTX580 sc 1.5gb model
CRUCIAL M4 64gb SSD (boot)
1TB WDC 7200rpm (programs/data in 2 separate partitions)
COOLERMASTER 80 Plus Silent Pro GOLD 1200watt Power supply
onboard sound
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate


Temps:
CPU tops out around 68 C under 3 hrs full prime95 load at 4.45ghz overclocked
GTX580 I've seen no higher than 79 C and that was under BC2


What I've tried:
All games on both stock volatages and clocks and overclocks
all sorts of tinkering within each individual game
applying settings under nvidia cp
adjusting refresh rates through nvidia cp
Reinstalling/Rolling back nvidia drivers
Updating NIC drivers
Trying both internal NICs
windows restore operations
removing HD Audio drivers
Disabling audio
overvolting RAM
Trying One RAM stick at a time
Swapping RAM
Swapping GPU


What I'm in the process of trying (at work atm not home to finish it)
Installing Windows Vista on a new partition the 1TB drive to rule out OS problems and/or SSD issues
Swapping the PSU



OLD RIG (Listing so you can see the parts I'm swapping out with)
EVGA 790i Ultra Mobo
Intel Core2Quad Q9550 @ 2.8ghz
4gb OCZ SLI Ready 1888mhz RAM
SLI Geforce GTX 260 sc
350gb WDC 7200rpm HDD
Silverstone 1200watt power supply
onboard sound
Windows Vista x86 Ultimate



I know this post was rediculously long, but thank you for reading, and please, anything to add right now would be beneficial.

More about : stuttering games specifically lol bc2

September 28, 2011 6:54:23 PM

*BUMP*

I've eliminated my SSD and my HDD as being possible causes.
October 1, 2011 11:03:24 AM

poseign said:
*BUMP*

I've eliminated my SSD and my HDD as being possible causes.


Oh please tell me u found the cause.... I'm having the same problem on my build..

Are u using HDTV or monitor? If so what kind? Do you have Vsync enabled? Does it still have stuttering when disabled? What framerate are u getting when u see the stuttering. My stuttering only happens when my FPS goes below 60 with sync enabled. Try to see if u lower ur graphic settings to have your framerate max your monitors Hz rate with Vsync enabled, and if issue persists? My stuttering did not persist at max rate. If it does the same we have the same issue to help locate the problem.

HERE IS MY THREAD POSTED EARLIER:

My build
-CPU- i5 2500k OC @ 4.4GHz
-Cooler- CM Hyper 212
-Motherboard- Asus-Z68-Pro
-RAM- G.Skill DDR3 1600 CL8 1.5v
-GPU-EVGA GTX 590 Classified (factory Overclocked) 
-Samsung F4 2tb HDD (will buy SSD soon)
-PSU-Corsair 1050 watt Professional Series 
-Case-Cooler Master HAF X

So I built my PC about a month ago and lovin it. I have the GTX 590 so most of my games run well above 60 FPS which is my 1920x1080 monitors limit.

A couple games that really push the GPU like Crysis 2, Metro, & Witcher 2 all at max setting I have a problem with.
(During games running FRAPS to see fps) when my rate during play onscreen is maxed at 60fps everything is smooth as butter during movement. But when framerate drops below 60 I get some bad stuttering, very noticeable when panning slowly left or right. Now this happens right below 60, I mean 59fps I get this stutter effect.

Its not screen tearing, there is no screen cut lines or polygon misinformation, i do get screen tearing when Vsync is off, so I know what that looks like. Could this be microstutter? It does sound like it because it looks like it skips some frames what causes the jutter effect. If so why would i get it @59FPS and not @ 60fps when it's smooth as butter? Please help, it's very annoying. Thanks.
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October 1, 2011 11:23:07 AM

And that rules out SLI microstutter from my GTX 590 because u have a single GPU. I'm calling EVGA tomorrow. I let you know if I have any advances.

Lol, my post was almost as long as yours.
October 5, 2011 3:40:08 AM

I have not found a solution to this issue yet. It does seem like our issue may be similar, however I believe my stuttering persists even over 60 Fps. It does not seem to be related to vsync, as it occurs regardless of whether or not vsync is on. I do know the difference between tearing and stutter.

I have tried both an HDMI out from the 580 to the monitor and a DVI-out. Im using an ASUS mk221h 22 inch monitor. I've also got a secondary synaps 20inch monitor attached, and I have tried ALL different configurations of one at a time, and both at once to no avail. I have tried an alternate power supply as well. All to no avail. I am at the point where i am RMAing my ASUS motherboard to rule that out as a probable cause. Next would be the processor, which Im REALLY hoping it doesnt come to that because it would require BUYING a new one as im out of my RMA period.

I will add that I have recently noticed some strange readings on my voltages that may be connected. I run AI SUITE II that came with my motherboard on the driver disk on startup. Occasionally the VCORE and 12v rail voltages will fluctuate out of parameters far enough that AISUITE will pop up a warning about the fluctuated voltage. Ive seen the vcore apike (for a split second) to 2.0v while the 12v rail willl drop right down to 0.00 volts. I partially believe false readings are to blame, as I dont see the computer remaining on through the 12v drop, but who knows.

Im REALLY praying that the motherboard swap is going to solve both these issues, because ASUS tech support isnt exactly top notch.
October 5, 2011 3:46:48 AM

Swolern said:
Oh please tell me u found the cause.... I'm having the same problem on my build..

Are u using HDTV or monitor? If so what kind? Do you have Vsync enabled? Does it still have stuttering when disabled? What framerate are u getting when u see the stuttering. My stuttering only happens when my FPS goes below 60 with sync enabled. Try to see if u lower ur graphic settings to have your framerate max your monitors Hz rate with Vsync enabled, and if issue persists? My stuttering did not persist at max rate. If it does the same we have the same issue to help locate the problem.

HERE IS MY THREAD POSTED EARLIER:

My build
-CPU- i5 2500k OC @ 4.4GHz
-Cooler- CM Hyper 212
-Motherboard- Asus-Z68-Pro
-RAM- G.Skill DDR3 1600 CL8 1.5v
-GPU-EVGA GTX 590 Classified (factory Overclocked) 
-Samsung F4 2tb HDD (will buy SSD soon)
-PSU-Corsair 1050 watt Professional Series 
-Case-Cooler Master HAF X

So I built my PC about a month ago and lovin it. I have the GTX 590 so most of my games run well above 60 FPS which is my 1920x1080 monitors limit.

A couple games that really push the GPU like Crysis 2, Metro, & Witcher 2 all at max setting I have a problem with.
(During games running FRAPS to see fps) when my rate during play onscreen is maxed at 60fps everything is smooth as butter during movement. But when framerate drops below 60 I get some bad stuttering, very noticeable when panning slowly left or right. Now this happens right below 60, I mean 59fps I get this stutter effect.

Its not screen tearing, there is no screen cut lines or polygon misinformation, i do get screen tearing when Vsync is off, so I know what that looks like. Could this be microstutter? It does sound like it because it looks like it skips some frames what causes the jutter effect. If so why would i get it @59FPS and not @ 60fps when it's smooth as butter? Please help, it's very annoying. Thanks.



Didnt even notice you are using the ASUS Z68-PRO. Out of curiosity, which revision and bios version are u using? Revision Number, if you dont know, will be located right after "P8Z68-Pro" on the motherboard. Took me a while to find it myself. I am using revision 1.00.


I am wondering if this is an issue with these boards in specific. I havent heard anything on the asus forums or the newegg comment list about this issue with this board, but maybe it has something to do with the combo of components, as your build is very similar to mine, but I have the CL 7 Gskill RAM.


And I hate to smile at your misfortunes, but I am VERY glad that I'm not the only one that seems to be having this exact issue :p 
October 5, 2011 4:50:31 AM

poseign said:
Didnt even notice you are using the ASUS Z68-PRO. Out of curiosity, which revision and bios version are u using? Revision Number, if you dont know, will be located right after "P8Z68-Pro" on the motherboard. Took me a while to find it myself. I am using revision 1.00.


I am wondering if this is an issue with these boards in specific. I havent heard anything on the asus forums or the newegg comment list about this issue with this board, but maybe it has something to do with the combo of components, as your build is very similar to mine, but I have the CL 7 Gskill RAM.


And I hate to smile at your misfortunes, but I am VERY glad that I'm not the only one that seems to be having this exact issue :p 


Well I checked again and I do have stuttering with Vsync off, but its not noticeable until FPS drops to 40s or below. While when Vsync on, stuttering is at 50s fps and below.

What Hz monitor do u have? The only thing I have to go on is stuttering stops when Vsync is on and FPS is max and of my monitor, which is 60fps. Have u tried that?

This is what my stuttering looks like. U?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgM2O8Ci4SU&feature=rela...
October 5, 2011 4:52:41 AM

Sorry not at home to check bios version. I will tmrw.
October 5, 2011 5:11:57 AM

I have a 60hz monitor, windows 7 picks it up as 59hz. there is a workaround through the nvidia control panel to make it shop up as 60, however I have tried that to no avail. Again, I have tried in windows VISTA as well, and vista shows screen refresh at 60hz, same issue.

I just watched your video. It nails my issue on the head, right down to the main game ur using to test. I have had this stutter at 130fps in BC2, its just harder to see with the screen tear.

My first post highlights a league of legends video of stutter, at 12 seconds is the type of stutter i get in LoL.
October 5, 2011 7:14:52 AM

poseign said:
I have a 60hz monitor, windows 7 picks it up as 59hz. there is a workaround through the nvidia control panel to make it shop up as 60, however I have tried that to no avail. Again, I have tried in windows VISTA as well, and vista shows screen refresh at 60hz, same issue.

I just watched your video. It nails my issue on the head, right down to the main game ur using to test. I have had this stutter at 130fps in BC2, its just harder to see with the screen tear.

My first post highlights a league of legends video of stutter, at 12 seconds is the type of stutter i get in LoL.



That was someone else's video but it's exactly the stutter I'm seeing. I have the GTX 590 so not many games go below 60fps. Crysis 2, Witcher2, Metro 2033 all hover around 60fps it's butter smooth at 60, then choppy when in 50s that looks like FPS in the teens. Other games I disable my sli to achieve 50s FPS and same stutter.

I talked to someone else who had same stutter issue. He had the GTX 580. He tried everything in the book also to fix it. He finally RMA his video card and the new one fixed the problem. So I RMA my 590. Should take @ a week. Keeping my fingers crossed.
October 5, 2011 12:22:24 PM

Ya, hopefully man. I swapped my gpu out with a gtx 260 I had from an old build and that didnt solve my issue, so that ruled out GPU for me. Let me know how you make out with the GPU swap, I'll try to keep you posted when this new motherboard arrives.
October 12, 2011 4:29:29 AM

I did the motherboard swap with another ASUS p8z68 Deluxe motherboard and the issue is STILL persisting. I'm wondering if it's an issue with the asus boards in general. Right now I am at a complete loss. I have no clue whatsoever what is causing this. How has your GFX card swap gone?
October 12, 2011 4:38:37 AM

Not good. Nothing helped yet. My list so far.

- Vsync off, still stutter but less often, not noticeable until 45 FPS and below
-reset all components to stock speeds and settings
- tried different input cables hdmi, VGA
- tried different 60 Hz monitors
- installed and tested all previous drivers for the 590. Including 285beta
- stress and tested each component via 3dMark. Everything scored above Average
-  setting Force Vsync on/off
-Power management mode to Prefer Maximum Performance/default
-Maximum pre-rendered frames at 0- 5
- disabled SLI  to run only one GPU to rule out SLI microstutter. Adjusted graphic setting to get 50s FPS. Still stutters

- download EVGA sli enhancement patch 

- tested with AMD 6990 in my PC. Same stutter
-tried GTX 560 Ti
- tested memtest- passed x4

- bought SSD put clean install of OS &  Essentials only
- above install Inculded reset of CMOS
- tried on windows 8 OS
October 12, 2011 5:07:38 AM

I really do seriously wonder if the ASUS mobo in general is to blame. It's the only other thing to make sense to me. I'm considering throwing in the towel and dishing out another 250 bucks for the new MSI Z68 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 support to see if that solves it. However I will NOT be happy if it comes to that.
October 12, 2011 5:17:31 AM

Do you have a Frys close to you? The Frys close to me has a 14 day return policy with no restocking fees. That's how I tested the 6690 & 560. Motherboard can be a possible cause. The EVGA manager suggested it could be a ram issue. It passed memtest.org for ram, but I was planning to try a switch of ram with the highest frequency and least latency.

This problem is like a thorn in my foot that I can't get out. Bugs the hell out of me. I need to fix this crap before BF3 release.
October 12, 2011 6:26:53 AM

poseign said:
I really do seriously wonder if the ASUS mobo in general is to blame. It's the only other thing to make sense to me. I'm considering throwing in the towel and dishing out another 250 bucks for the new MSI Z68 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 support to see if that solves it. However I will NOT be happy if it comes to that.


Hey I read another forum that stated turning off hyper-threading on his i7 helped his gaming stutter. Try it out if u haven't already.
October 12, 2011 12:52:08 PM

Thanks for the tip, however I have tried this already and it had no effect on the stutter.
October 12, 2011 1:01:04 PM

Swolern said:
Do you have a Frys close to you? The Frys close to me has a 14 day return policy with no restocking fees. That's how I tested the 6690 & 560. Motherboard can be a possible cause. The EVGA manager suggested it could be a ram issue. It passed memtest.org for ram, but I was planning to try a switch of ram with the highest frequency and least latency.

This problem is like a thorn in my foot that I can't get out. Bugs the hell out of me. I need to fix this crap before BF3 release.



I do not have a Fry's Close to me unfortunately. I do have a computer store however they were recently hit in a local flood and are closed down. And I completely agree with you about being a thorn, and needing to fix before BF3.

By any chance did you play the Beta? I had the stuttering problem while in the outdoors areas of the map but it actually seemed to go away when in the tunnels o.O?
October 12, 2011 1:47:48 PM

poseign said:
I do not have a Fry's Close to me unfortunately. I do have a computer store however they were recently hit in a local flood and are closed down. And I completely agree with you about being a thorn, and needing to fix before BF3.

By any chance did you play the Beta? I had the stuttering problem while in the outdoors areas of the map but it actually seemed to go away when in the tunnels o.O?


Ya beta was awesome!

Hmm. So your stutter went away inside. Inside gets much faster framerate than outside. So you were probably getting @60fps inside with the 580. I was getting @ 60fps outside and @ 90-100 inside tunnel on highest settings with my 590. And for me 60fps with Vsync on plays perfectly smooth.

So your stutter is framerate related like mine. Does your stutter get worse at different framerates? My stutter seems minimal with fps at high 50s and worse in the low 50s & 40s.

Did Asus have any thoughts about the stuttering?
October 12, 2011 1:51:29 PM

Damn I just saw u already tried swapping ram. There goes my idea for that. Ok I'm calling Asus later today @ mobo. Only thing mobo swaps are PIA!
October 12, 2011 2:07:43 PM

Swolern said:
Damn I just saw u already tried swapping ram. There goes my idea for that. Ok I'm calling Asus later today @ mobo. Only thing mobo swaps are PIA!



Yes, they are. I was not fond of doing it last night, especially after it had no effect on my issue. If you try the RMA process, I hope you have better luck.

I would have to double check my frame rates to ensure that they were indeed above 60 inside the substation and before that outside, but not very possible now that the beta is over. It does seem related, however changing graphics settings doesn't fix the issue. Theres still just as much chop in outdoor settings as there is with graphics cranked.

It also didnt seem like vsync was working for me in the beta. regardless of whether I had vsync on or not my frame rates were all over the place. they would drop as low as 30 and get as high as 80 or 90 in some areas.

I feel like something is being overlooked, but I dont think Ive overlooked anything. I have seen a few posts by some people who say a 120hz monitor solves their problems because then they do not need to use vsync. Have you tried a 120hz monitor at all? Would you have access to one?

Also, if Fry's allows you to return with no restocking fee, you should try picking up a different model high-end mobo from them. Try going with ASRock or MSI, something other than ASUS, with the same cpu socket, and see if that works. Nothing to lose if you are going to go with the RMA process and have to swap motherboards anyway.
October 12, 2011 2:29:06 PM

I read the settings in the beta were not working properly. Vsync would only kick in every once in a while for me, most of the time my FPS were well above a Vsync's regulated 60fps. And ultra setting would not work at all until game release.

No I don't have access to 120hz monitor, but I will have to put that on my to-do list if nothing else works.

I will go ahead and try a different brand motherboard. You might be on to something. Im working the rest of this week & weekend and won't be able to switch out and test until next week. I'll keep you updated.
October 12, 2011 2:46:49 PM

Thank you, I would really appreciate that. If the swap would in fact fix this issue i would do it without much thought at this point.

Lets also take a few minutes to go over where exactly the stutter is occurring again. If you could, list all games you have tried.

For me, the list is rather short but has worked on a previous build:


- League of legends - mainly during team battles where lots of attacks are taking place

- Battlefield Bad Company 2 - while moving mouse to look around is when its most prominent

- Battlefield 3: Same as BC2, however stutter is minimized indoors.

Far Cry 2: only stutters when in dx10 mode, not in dx9 mode, however this is a known issue with the game itself. tested in single player but not multiplayer.

And now one game that hasnt given me any stutter at all under vsync: Star Trek Online. Butter smooth, however, I have not tested this under heavy fleet engagements either, as I only did a trial of the game.
October 12, 2011 3:14:34 PM

Have you guys tried a motherboard that is NOT made by ASUS? Also, maybe the Z68 chipset is causing this issue. Good luck.
October 12, 2011 3:23:14 PM

steelbeast said:
Have you guys tried a motherboard that is NOT made by ASUS? Also, maybe the Z68 chipset is causing this issue. Good luck.


This is actually the next thing that I have suggested to Swolern. Another model but not necessarily another chipset just yet as he has a store close to him that makes component swapping a lot easier than an RMA process.
October 13, 2011 6:54:54 AM

poseign said:
Thank you, I would really appreciate that. If the swap would in fact fix this issue i would do it without much thought at this point.

Lets also take a few minutes to go over where exactly the stutter is occurring again. If you could, list all games you have tried.

For me, the list is rather short but has worked on a previous build:


- League of legends - mainly during team battles where lots of attacks are taking place

- Battlefield Bad Company 2 - while moving mouse to look around is when its most prominent

- Battlefield 3: Same as BC2, however stutter is minimized indoors.

Far Cry 2: only stutters when in dx10 mode, not in dx9 mode, however this is a known issue with the game itself. tested in single player but not multiplayer.

And now one game that hasnt given me any stutter at all under vsync: Star Trek Online. Butter smooth, however, I have not tested this under heavy fleet engagements either, as I only did a trial of the game.


Sorry man Ive been working.

So the games ive tested all have the same results with perfectly smooth at 60fps and progressively worse stuttering with 59fps and below. BFBC2, BF3, Metro 2033, Crysis 1 & 2, Witcher 2, GTA 4, Mass Effect 2, Just Cause 2. Some of the older games i have to disable one GPU on my 590 and downclock the speed so that i will get framerate in 50s, but still same stutter.


October 13, 2011 7:07:37 AM

Also Ive put our problem out there on about 5 other different PC forums to get some more opinions. I talked to one person, sounded like an expert, and he stated that he believes it might be not enough power getting to the PCI-E slots (faulty motherboard or PSU). Also he stated there could be something with Asus's LucidLogix on the mobo causing some conflicts. So we might be on the right track with mobo switch.

On a bad note, I talked to another person that has this stutter issue and he stated he exchanged every component of his PC(including 3 mobo, Asrock & Gigabyte) and still had the stutter. Man thats a kick in the nuts!
October 13, 2011 1:38:10 PM

Swolern said:
Also Ive put our problem out there on about 5 other different PC forums to get some more opinions. I talked to one person, sounded like an expert, and he stated that he believes it might be not enough power getting to the PCI-E slots (faulty motherboard or PSU). Also he stated there could be something with Asus's LucidLogix on the mobo causing some conflicts. So we might be on the right track with mobo switch.

On a bad note, I talked to another person that has this stutter issue and he stated he exchanged every component of his PC(including 3 mobo, Asrock & Gigabyte) and still had the stutter. Man thats a kick in the nuts!



I thought PSU at one point as well, so I swapped it with another 1200w power supply from my old build, no luck.

the LucidLogix i was going to meddle with last night and completely forgot about it, but that is another valid idea. I read up on it a little yesterday during downtime at work to get a general jist of how it works, using both the iGPU on the motherboard and/or the dedicated GPU to speed up video conversion and such. I'm not confident that any change with lucidlogix will have any effect on our stutter though, but who knows. There is a program out there by Lucid that allows you to mess around with lucidlogix on your motherboard, I'll have to do a little digging and see if I can find it again.


Steelblast also made a good point by stating it could just be the Z68 Chipset itself. The only thing I don't like about that Idea though is if that were the case I would assume there would be a LOT more talk about this than there is out there.

I've been considering for the last day or two just swapping out the new mobo with the old EVGA 790i Ultra in my old build, using that and its processor with the rest being my newer components. I'[m holding off because:

a) the 790i Ultra is a pain in the arse to configure for new hardware, especially my board because its had memory leak problems from the start, and

b) I'm affraid of the results that I will get :p 
October 13, 2011 2:12:21 PM

poseign said:
I thought PSU at one point as well, so I swapped it with another 1200w power supply from my old build, no luck.

the LucidLogix i was going to meddle with last night and completely forgot about it, but that is another valid idea. I read up on it a little yesterday during downtime at work to get a general jist of how it works, using both the iGPU on the motherboard and/or the dedicated GPU to speed up video conversion and such. I'm not confident that any change with lucidlogix will have any effect on our stutter though, but who knows. There is a program out there by Lucid that allows you to mess around with lucidlogix on your motherboard, I'll have to do a little digging and see if I can find it again.


Steelblast also made a good point by stating it could just be the Z68 Chipset itself. The only thing I don't like about that Idea though is if that were the case I would assume there would be a LOT more talk about this than there is out there.


Well if people play with motion blur setting turned all the way up it hides the stutter somewhat. Also most people makes quick turns with mouse and that also makes it hard to notice the stuttering for me at least. Walking straight I can't see the stutter at all, it's just noticeable when turning.

So which mobo should I try out? I was thinking MSI P67...

Also another person suggested disabling HPET on the mobo. I'm not sure how to do that. Do u know? I looked it up and HPET is a program that has to do with frame display timing. So another possibility.

Ya that would suck to move backwards to your old mobo.
October 13, 2011 2:24:48 PM

Swolern said:
Well if people play with motion blur setting turned all the way up it hides the stutter somewhat. Also most people makes quick turns with mouse and that also makes it hard to notice the stuttering for me at least. Walking straight I can't see the stutter at all, it's just noticeable when turning.

So which mobo should I try out? I was thinking MSI P67...

Also another person suggested disabling HPET on the mobo. I'm not sure how to do that. Do u know? I looked it up and HPET is a program that has to do with frame display timing. So another possibility.

Ya that would suck to move backwards to your old mobo.



I had never heard of HPET before, I've got it up on Wikipedia now. I'll check it out during my down times here at work. I haven't seen a BIOS option for it on this motherboard, so maybe there's another way to adjust it.

As far as other motherboards, I would go with either the MSI Z68 motherboard or the ASRock Professional "Fatal1ty" Z68, both of which also have a uefi BIOS, ivy bridge and pci-e 3.0 support, but the ASRock has better reviews according to newegg. Really between the two I'd say personal preference and what is easier to get your hands on, especially if you may be looking to return it if it doesn't fix your problems.
October 13, 2011 2:39:12 PM

OH! I see! Here is a screenshot of the HPET's location in the BIOS:

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMwNDc5MjA0Mk5...

I have not tried tinkering with this setting, I may have to try this when I get home! Trying not to get too excited about it......

If you have access to your pc now, definitely try this and let me know how it goes for you!
October 13, 2011 3:06:26 PM

Sources from different websites on various stuttering issues are pretty much all saying the same thing:

"Most of the stuttering is caused by HPET On, some can't disable it "

the P8Z68 Mobo's default HPET setting is "enabled"

I've got my fingers crossed that all the excitement that I have building up right now wont be in vein when I get home.


More on HPET:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=183329
October 13, 2011 3:35:12 PM

lucidlogix requires a piece of software to be installed does it not? Are you guys hooking up your monitor to the on-board motherboard video output? I believe that's how lucid recommends it, and lucid will switch between the on-board video and the standalone card when entering games right? I think it would be a good idea to try turning off lucid and hooking up to the card directly (even uninstalling lucid software), or the reverse if you are already doing that (install lucid, hook up video cable to your onboard video port).

Also, I believe I recall reading that lucid has some profiles for specific games? I may be thinking of something else though. There was at least one article on lucid on this site before that could be a good reference for its testing.

One thought I have not seen posed: maybe because you're so used to epic smooth framerates, that slower framerates are standing out horribly for you, but it's actually normal behavior? Though you said in some games it's barely below 60fps so I'd be surprised if you were THAT sensitive to it.
October 13, 2011 3:59:38 PM

torque79 said:
lucidlogix requires a piece of software to be installed does it not? Are you guys hooking up your monitor to the on-board motherboard video output? I believe that's how lucid recommends it, and lucid will switch between the on-board video and the standalone card when entering games right? I think it would be a good idea to try turning off lucid and hooking up to the card directly (even uninstalling lucid software), or the reverse if you are already doing that (install lucid, hook up video cable to your onboard video port).

Also, I believe I recall reading that lucid has some profiles for specific games? I may be thinking of something else though. There was at least one article on lucid on this site before that could be a good reference for its testing.

One thought I have not seen posed: maybe because you're so used to epic smooth framerates, that slower framerates are standing out horribly for you, but it's actually normal behavior? Though you said in some games it's barely below 60fps so I'd be surprised if you were THAT sensitive to it.



First off, thank you for your input!

The P8Z68 Deluxe motherboard does have LucidVirtu capability through the igpu on the sandy bridge processor, but it does not have an onboard adapter and relies on a dedicated card to plug in a monitor, so plugging into the board directly is out of the question unfortunately.

I actually heard the opposite about where to hook up the monitor. If you were to do video encoding and production, you would benefit most from hooking up to the integrated graphics port, but when playing games it is more ideal to plug directly into your graphics card. Not discrediting you, just what I have read over the past few days. Not sure about having it's own gaming profiles, I would have to dig a little deeper into it.

As far as slower framerates standing out, I do believe that to a point this could be the case, as I am very picky about smoothness with my games, however I also dont believe a brand new 2300 dollar gaming rig should be out-performed by a 3 year old core 2 quad with a GTX 260 and a memory leak issue, because thats essentially what is happening in my case. Dont get me wrong, 3d mark scores on the new rig blow the old one out of the water, but when it comes down to actual gaming performance there is a very noticeable handicap in the newer machine and its driving me insane.
October 13, 2011 10:09:49 PM

poseign said:
Sources from different websites on various stuttering issues are pretty much all saying the same thing:

"Most of the stuttering is caused by HPET On, some can't disable it "

the P8Z68 Mobo's default HPET setting is "enabled"

I've got my fingers crossed that all the excitement that I have building up right now wont be in vein when I get home.


More on HPET:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=183329



this didnt work for me.
October 13, 2011 10:13:38 PM

torque79 said:

One thought I have not seen posed: maybe because you're so used to epic smooth framerates, that slower framerates are standing out horribly for you, but it's actually normal behavior? Though you said in some games it's barely below 60fps so I'd be surprised if you were THAT sensitive to it.


The stuttering is so bad at times it looks like the framerate is in the 20s or teens when I'm actually at 50fps. But it's a little different where I see it more when moving slow compared to fast movement.
October 13, 2011 10:15:15 PM

poseign said:
this didnt work for me.


Damn that sucks. Just got home. I was about to try it out.
October 13, 2011 11:29:48 PM

give it a shot anyway, maybe you will have better luck :) 
October 14, 2011 2:13:11 AM

poseign said:
give it a shot anyway, maybe you will have better luck :) 


Alright dude. I went all out. I bought a MSI p67 mobo(want to rule out z68 chipset and Asus), 2133mhz ram, and a new PSU from Frys. Already have another GPU and a new SSD, so that's makes it an entire New build besides CPU, and I know the CPU is good. I'm gonna fix the problem tonight or go down in flames trying. Wish me luck.
October 14, 2011 3:38:29 PM

let me know how you do, I'm curious how this worked out for you
October 14, 2011 6:22:32 PM

Well that's it, all done and same damn stutter! Changed HDD to new SSD, tried 3 GPUs, 2 different brands & chipset mobo, changed 1600 cl8 ram to high-end 2133mhz, got new PSU, did clean install on all components and all drivers up to date. And still the stutter.

I don't know man. If not hardware then it has to be software related.
October 15, 2011 8:21:09 PM

wow, im really sorry to hear that... thats alot of money just to end up right back at square one.


You did say that you havent swapped the processor. Neither have I. It's the last hardware related thing that hasnt been tried, but again idk why a processor would cause a stutter.

I wish I could say there's no possible way that software is causing this, ive done clean installs with both vista and 7, neither of which had any effect.

Okay, lets try this, can you give a list of installed applications and updates? I know there shouldnt be much because I assume you have a fresh install, but id say its worth the compare and contrast.
October 15, 2011 11:03:49 PM

Oh money isn't a issue. Im going to returned everything at Frys. They are going to love me there, lol. Not at home right now. But when I get back I'll give all apps and version #s.

Had a couple more suggestions to try to. Haven't had a chance to try them yet.


-Use directx web installer from microsoft.(yes it's dx9 but it might correct something + you might need it for old games anyway)
-Make sure you have the latest .Net framework. Or you can even try having all the versions of .Net framework (1,2,3,4)
-Disable onboard sound if you have.
-Disable Windows Bit Defender and Windows Firewall.
-Did you try another Monitor ? Did you try VGA or DVI ? (I hate hdmi. HDMI is(should be) TV interface.)
October 16, 2011 2:36:45 AM

well its great that they allow that at frys, i would do the same if i could but unfortuately my only option would be newegg.

to answer some of ur suggestions:


-Use directx web installer from microsoft.(yes it's dx9 but it might correct something + you might need it for old games anyway)

Tried this on both vista and win 7 builds, did not help me

-Make sure you have the latest .Net framework. Or you can even try having all the versions of .Net framework (1,2,3,4)

I only have .net framework 4 installed on win 7, not sure about my vista installation, I would assume .net v3 on there, worth a shot ill try that later

-Disable onboard sound if you have.

Tried, both in windows and BIOS, didnt help me


-Disable Windows Bit Defender and Windows Firewall.

Tried with firewall disabled, never disabled defender, another option i'll try. Also, you could dry disabling A/V, but that didnt work for me either

-Did you try another Monitor ? Did you try VGA or DVI ? (I hate hdmi. HDMI is(should be) TV interface.)

I have 3 monitors here i tried, a 22inch ASUS 1080i (my main), a 20 inch synaps (my alternate in a dual setup) and a 17inch dell (extra), the 22 inch and the 20 inch are both DVI, the 22 inch is also HDMI capable, all of which were tried with the same problem. The 17 inch is VGA and that looked like it was a little better, but thats probably because it was small monitor
October 16, 2011 5:05:03 AM

Great. I put my system back together with old mobo and now will not boot.

I forgot to plug in CPU power cord on my first attempt. Now plugged in and still won't boot. Do you think I messed something up with the CPU power cord not being plugged in?
October 16, 2011 5:29:51 AM

Nevermind, figured it out. Mobo got picky @ ram placement.
October 17, 2011 2:13:58 AM

haha it happends. Glad was nothing serious. I've been digging on our issue once again and havent picked up anything. If it is indeed software, i dont know what could cause it.
October 17, 2011 6:19:37 AM

poseign said:
haha it happends. Glad was nothing serious. I've been digging on our issue once again and havent picked up anything. If it is indeed software, i dont know what could cause it.


Ok so I got my friend new Dell monitor to test our stutter issue and got some interesting results.

First the other monitors I tested were pretty old, and I connected with hdmi & VGA cables. This new monitor was a Dell 1920x1080 60hz and I connected with DVI cables. The two games I tested were Crysis 2 and Witcher2.

So I mostly game on a high-end 3dtv Panasonic VT30. It has .01ms response time so it's great for gaming. Crysis 2 always gave me some trouble before because every time when first starting game (at the menuscreen) It locks at 24fps max rate and I have to play back and forth with setting of VSYNC and Fullscreen at it will eventually go up to 60 FPS max lock with Vsync. So when @ 60fps it's very smooth, but when 50s I would get the uneven stutter that was bad enough to caused distortion of the graphics when turning.

I also had a older 60 Hz monitor I connected with VGA cables and got the same stutter.

So now I got the new 60 hz monitor and I used a DVI cable. So when first starting Crysis 2 in the menu screen it locked at 50fps so I didn't try to adjust it and just started game as is. So when FPS locked at 50fps I got the perfectly smooth gameplay. And some parts the framerate went in the 40s and it looked like very minimal microstutter that had a hitch every one in a while but never any distortion causing stutter.

On the other hand same new monitor with Witcher 2 I had the same distorting stutter, but it looked a little less severe.

So this makes me believe I am having some problems with how the game developers wrote the code for the game and how my tv/monitor/ is trying to interpret and display it. Some displays doing better than others. The question is what kind of settings can I adjust (from PC or from TV/monitor) to help with this problem.
October 17, 2011 9:28:35 PM

Swolern said:
Ok so I got my friend new Dell monitor to test our stutter issue and got some interesting results.

First the other monitors I tested were pretty old, and I connected with hdmi & VGA cables. This new monitor was a Dell 1920x1080 60hz and I connected with DVI cables. The two games I tested were Crysis 2 and Witcher2.

So I mostly game on a high-end 3dtv Panasonic VT30. It has .01ms response time so it's great for gaming. Crysis 2 always gave me some trouble before because every time when first starting game (at the menuscreen) It locks at 24fps max rate and I have to play back and forth with setting of VSYNC and Fullscreen at it will eventually go up to 60 FPS max lock with Vsync. So when @ 60fps it's very smooth, but when 50s I would get the uneven stutter that was bad enough to caused distortion of the graphics when turning.

I also had a older 60 Hz monitor I connected with VGA cables and got the same stutter.

So now I got the new 60 hz monitor and I used a DVI cable. So when first starting Crysis 2 in the menu screen it locked at 50fps so I didn't try to adjust it and just started game as is. So when FPS locked at 50fps I got the perfectly smooth gameplay. And some parts the framerate went in the 40s and it looked like very minimal microstutter that had a hitch every one in a while but never any distortion causing stutter.

On the other hand same new monitor with Witcher 2 I had the same distorting stutter, but it looked a little less severe.

So this makes me believe I am having some problems with how the game developers wrote the code for the game and how my tv/monitor/ is trying to interpret and display it. Some displays doing better than others. The question is what kind of settings can I adjust (from PC or from TV/monitor) to help with this problem.


Very plausible explanation. I know Witcher 2 has some issues with microstutter on the game side, there are forum boards dedicated to it, the same with Metro, but the other games, like mass effect 2 and just cause 2 shouldnt really be giving stuttering problems, as well as many other older games. If its working for you though on all of your games, then congrats on finding the issue! :) 

I Have an xBox 360 also hooked up to the monitor that I am using via HDMI. Modern Warfare 2 plays on this monitor butter smooth. Granted, thats xbox compared to 360, but at least I know that this monitor is capable of smooth framerates.
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