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September 27, 2011 5:12:42 PM

Hi Guys

I have been reading on the forum for quite a while now and finally decided to join.
I need some advice on my new Build.

I was thinking of getting these components:
Intel 2600k
Intel DP67bgb3 "BURRAGE" MoBo
4gb x 2 DDR3 (not sure on make?)
600w PSU
Asus HD 6870 or Geforce GTX 560 Ti

Will these compliment one another well? i intend to do alota gaming soon, so not sure as to which display card is better for the price? :sarcastic: 

Its my First time building up a PC for myself so any tips and tricks will be much appreciated

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a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2011 7:03:52 PM

That should be a real nice gaming rig. If you don't plan to OC then you don't need the "K" model.

Make sure you get a quality PSU to power it. Any of the brand name RAM specifically approved for your CPU should work fine. Buy on matched, tested RAM Kit not individual DIMMs. The PSU/Vid card info. below may be useful.

As far as PSUs are concerned, be informed. Before you buy any PSU read accurate, objective PSU reviews at reputable sites such as www.jonnyguru.com or www.hardwaresecrets.com on the EXACT model PSU that you are interested in as some brands have good and poor quality PSUs.

You can also get an accurate rating of how much PSU power is required for your current or future system at the PSU calculator link below. Once you know the total PSU watts required then you need to confirm that the 12v rail has enough amps. to support your Vid card(s) and the rest of the PC system.

There are several websites that show the Vid card power consumption in watts. Divide the watts by 12 to determine the amps. required on the 12v rail(s). Add 15 amps for the rest of the PC on the 12v rail and you now know the Minimum total 12v rail amps required under full load. It's best to have at least 5-10 amps. reserve on the 12v rail available under full load so the PSU is not loaded to 100%.

It's also worth noting that people often misunderstand the 80% power rating. This is a rating of the PSU's energy efficiency not it's output. 80% plus PSUs use less grid power to produce the same PC power. If it's 80% Bronze, Silver or Gold the cost savings on electricity is pretty small between Bronze, Silver and Gold unless you are paying very high rates for electricity so any 80% rated quality PSU is fine even if not Gold. For those who leave their PC on 24/7 a quality 80% PSU is a good investment.


http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-re...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_5...
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September 27, 2011 8:54:06 PM

If you are only going to be using this system for gaming, the i7 2600 doesn't have any real benefit over the i5 2500. The main difference between the two is the hyperthreading on the 2600 which most games will not take advantage of.
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September 27, 2011 9:40:40 PM

560Ti is a little bit better in fps but costs a few more bucks, take your pick
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2011 9:44:14 PM

Ka7ama said:
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Intel DP67bgb3 "BURRAGE" MoBo
4gb x 2 DDR3 (not sure on make?)

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All Intel has to say about memory compatibility for your mobo is at this link. Every other manufacturer I've seen has an actual list of memory modules that have been actually tested with an actual mobo, but Intel leaves you to pick through the specs yourself. Mushkin or GSkill.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2011 9:48:20 PM

Don't buy and Intel mobo. ASRock/ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte all make better motherboards. Also save yourself $100 on the CPU like akopp21 mentioned because the 2600 performs exactly the same for gaming as the 2500. Put the extra cash toward your video card.
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a c 93 B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2011 10:42:32 PM

danraies said:
Don't buy and Intel mobo. ASRock/ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte all make better motherboards. Also save yourself $100 on the CPU like akopp21 mentioned because the 2600 performs exactly the same for gaming as the 2500. Put the extra cash toward your video card.


Yes, I've owned two Intel motherboards and built multiple systems that use them - everything from 975 to X58 to P55 I can attest to this. Intel boards generally lack a lot of features, the ability to overclock, and they generally tend to use way slower RAM speeds than any of the competition uses.
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September 28, 2011 6:23:04 PM

Yo guys thanks for the reply. ALOT of info there .
Now i cant make up my mind betwen 2600K and 2500K. One of my main aims is to have a Future proof system, so i believe 2600k would be best suited.

On the topic of the HD 6870 vs GTX 560 ti, Is the price really worth the performance for the GTX 560? here in South Africa the 560Ti costs about $400 where the HD6870 is $350
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September 28, 2011 6:26:04 PM

oh and i want the Intel board coz 1.price is good $210 2. has sufficient features for that price 3. it looks awesome,esp at night with the glowing LED's
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2011 7:22:22 PM

$210 is not a very good price for that motherboard - it's about average. You can do better for around $200. Or if you don't need a board with a lot of features then we can find you a similar board around $150. If you want to pay for an inferior board because of the looks then that's totally up to you (it's not my money), just make sure you know that's what you're doing.

In terms of the 560ti vs the 6870...I don't know if it's worth $50 or not. The 560ti is a little better but they're pretty close and I don't know that you'd notice the difference in most cases. If your budget is tight and you want to save the $50 it's certainly not a stupid decision or anything.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2011 7:25:12 PM

Oh, are you using a 3D monitor? Nvidia's 3D vision might be enough of a reason to get the 560ti if you are.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2011 9:43:57 PM

Ka7ama said:
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On the topic of the HD 6870 vs GTX 560 ti, Is the price really worth the performance for the GTX 560? here in South Africa the 560Ti costs about $400 where the HD6870 is $350



Comparing an nVidia card with an ATI (whatever) is not exactly apples and oranges, but it is like apples and a different kind of apples. NVidia handles tesselation better, but that has not been implemented in games very much yet. The HDs seem to give more fps per Seth Efrican Rand as a rule. Neither company can write a driver to save their lives. Tom's Hardware has charts galore comparing various cards with various games, and the 560 comes out on top in every category, but not by enough fps to matter in the more demanding DX11 games. The 560 is cooler and quieter. Tom's list of 2011 graphics cards is here, and a side-by-side comparison of a generic 560 and a generic 6870 that I ran is here.
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a c 93 B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2011 10:18:43 PM

Ka7ama said:
Yo guys thanks for the reply. ALOT of info there .
Now i cant make up my mind betwen 2600K and 2500K. One of my main aims is to have a Future proof system, so i believe 2600k would be best suited.

On the topic of the HD 6870 vs GTX 560 ti, Is the price really worth the performance for the GTX 560? here in South Africa the 560Ti costs about $400 where the HD6870 is $350


If you want future proof, an Intel board is NOT the way to go. One thing they don't tell you about Intel boards is that they have really limited life cycles. When Intel stops making BIOS and driver updates for a board, you know it's pretty much toast. I had a D975 Intel board and I wanted to upgrade - by the time I was ready, the Q6600 I wanted to get was pretty much nowhere to be found anymore, and I couldn't upgrade to anything past it, since they stopped making BIOS updates for my board after January 2008, and if I wanted to get a new CPU I had to do the whole build over.
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September 28, 2011 10:27:21 PM

Also, please go for the i5 2500k. The i7 2600k won't be of any use to you in gaming.
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September 29, 2011 5:11:08 AM

i have decided on going the the 2600K ,as i will use the PC for everything from gaming to photoshop to creating Java/C++ programs.

You guys have defnitly made me think about this Mobo now...
What Mobo would u guys recommend for around $200-$220

Once again ,the main aim is to make this system as future proof as ever.
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September 29, 2011 5:13:05 AM

Petrofsky said:
Comparing an nVidia card with an ATI (whatever) is not exactly apples and oranges, but it is like apples and a different kind of apples. NVidia handles tesselation better, but that has not been implemented in games very much yet. The HDs seem to give more fps per Seth Efrican Rand as a rule. Neither company can write a driver to save their lives. Tom's Hardware has charts galore comparing various cards with various games, and the 560 comes out on top in every category, but not by enough fps to matter in the more demanding DX11 games. The 560 is cooler and quieter. Tom's list of 2011 graphics cards is here, and a side-by-side comparison of a generic 560 and a generic 6870 that I ran is here.


that fact that they seem so close makes me believe the HD 6870 is simply more worth it.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 29, 2011 12:08:30 PM

The ASRock Extreme4 Gen3 is one of the best gaming mobos in the $200 range
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The only notable thing missing from it is a USB 3.0 header. There is USB 3.0 in the cluster, though.

If there's something particular missing from that board's port cluster or if you really need the 3.0 header, let us know and we can suggest something else.
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September 29, 2011 1:58:33 PM

Take a look at the ASUS boards. I was a bit scared off initially with the bad reviews, but the B3 versions are good. I got the base P8P67 model and its great. The Pro and Deluxe have great features with USB 3.0 headers and all the jazz. Plus the UEFI bios is really easy to use and makes overclocking really simple (even for a noob like me!)

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