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July 28, 2011 6:30:15 PM

hi, i don't have any experience about computer components such as graphic cards, so i need your help to choose the correct graphics card if needed. Also i currently have no graphics card.

My Computer Specs are:

Software: Windows 7 Ultimate service pack 1 32 bit
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ 2.30 GHz
(also can you tell me if the processor is good? thanks)
Installed memory (RAM): 3.00 GB (2.87 GB usable)
Motherboard : https://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c0...
power supply : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B5748-Lite-On-PS-5301-08HF-30... ( i am 75% sure that this is the power supply).

Please Provide me with a good graphics card that will allow me to play games like left 4 dead 2 and cod.
i would also prefer the graphics card to be from either of these 2 website as i live in the uk
#1 : http://www.ebuyer.com/
#2 : http://www.amazon.co.uk/

thanks

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July 28, 2011 7:46:48 PM

Are you upgrading everything? Because it is gonna look like you will if you wanna play those games with decent graphics.
July 28, 2011 8:14:00 PM

nope only upgrading graphics card, why are the things i got already that bad?
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a c 199 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:18:39 PM

The strongest graphics card you can likely use that will not be too bottlenecked by your CPU and can run on your PSU is a HD5670.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:42:38 PM

I would have to agree.The 5670 is going to be the most powerful GPU you can put in your system without causing a bottleneck.

Whats your budget?

What resolution is your monitor?

I was unable to find the specifications for the bus speed of that particular 5670.I would suggest you get a 2.0 version so that you don't run into any problems using a 2.1 card on a 1.0 mobo.
July 28, 2011 8:44:33 PM

my resolution is 1680 x 1050 (16:10) and the budget is around £50
July 28, 2011 8:45:23 PM

and by the way whats a bottleneck? thanks
July 28, 2011 8:50:35 PM

purple stank said:
I would have to agree.The 5670 is going to be the most powerful GPU you can put in your system without causing a bottleneck.

Whats your budget?

What resolution is your monitor?

I was unable to find the specifications for the bus speed of that particular 5670.I would suggest you get a 2.0 version so that you don't run into any problems using a 2.1 card on a 1.0 mobo.


also what games in what resolution/graphic setting would i be able to play with all the specs i have and the graphics card
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:51:05 PM

A bottleneck is when the CPU isn't fast enough to process what the GPU is sending.When the GPU is faster than the CPU this is called a bottleneck.Mainly a bottleneck can cause anywhere from minor to dramatic loss of performance.Think of the GPU on the bigger end of the bottle and the CPU is the smaller end.

a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:52:55 PM

At your resolution with a 5670 you should definitly be able to play on medium settings.I would even think you might be able to play on high settings depending on what your limit of tolerable FPS is.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:56:01 PM

I went browsing around and it seems you already have the best card avalible.Although it is only 512mb it won't impact the performance since your below a 1080p resoultion.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 8:57:47 PM

brandondiep said:
When one part of your system in your case the cpu is hindering the performance of another part, the gpu. You can check the benches here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5670,2533...
for smooth gameplay you are looking for 60 fps min.


Don't forget that those benchmarks are done with a top of the line PC.The OP's processor is not going to be able to produce the same results.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 9:03:37 PM

I'm still not finding what version the bus speed is.I find that troubling because if it is a 2.1 card you may need a BIOS update for it to work and I know HP and they definitly won't have that BIOS update avalible.

I was also looking around and I too thought that a 1G card would be better than a 512 but all of the 1G cards run with DDR3 memory.In that case I would say the go for the DDR5 memory with the 512mb cards.You really only need the 1G card if your at 1080p.Faster RAM speed is much better than the extra RAM.

Yah I just checked and HP doesn't have any BIOS updates.
a c 199 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 9:07:14 PM

512MB is enough. And 60FPS is nice, but is not the "minimum" to enjoy acceptable game play. As low as 40FPS average should appear smooth as long as the minimums aren't too low, preferably >= 30FPS.
At your resolution I think this card will work well.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 9:09:42 PM

30FPS is plenty fine to the untrained eye.I remmber playing L4D in the high 20's and it didn't bother me.I also remember that when i started to play L4D2 it seemed less demanding,started getting in the high 30's.
July 28, 2011 9:11:12 PM

yea i like 30fps thats what i use to get with counter strike source and was smooth enough for me, by the way i think my ram is ddr2 would it work with the saphire card?
a c 273 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 9:14:15 PM

purple stank said:
30FPS is plenty fine to the untrained eye.I remmber playing L4D in the high 20's and it didn't bother me.I also remember that when i started to play L4D2 it seemed less demanding,started getting in the high 30's.

And how do you train the eye? Push ups? Chin ups? Star jumps?

Sorry I couldn't resist. :ange:  :lol: 
July 28, 2011 9:16:00 PM

DDR2 PC2-6400, DDR2 PC2-5300

Memory Type: DDR2 PC2-6400, DDR2 PC2-5300, DDR2 (non-ECC)
Maximum Memory: 8GB
Currently Installed Memory: 3GB
Total Memory Slots: 4
Available Memory Slots: 0
Ram which i currently have inside motherboard:
1. - 512MB DDR PC2-5300
2. - 512MB DDR PC2-5300
3. - 1GB DDR PC2-5300
4. - 1GB DDR PC2-5300


Each memory slot can hold DDR2 PC2-6400, DDR2 PC2-5300 with a maximum of 2GB per slot.*
*Not to exceed manufacturer supported memory.
July 28, 2011 9:27:12 PM

Also would the card work with my power supply?
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 10:02:23 PM

Mousemonkey said:
And how do you train the eye? Push ups? Chin ups? Star jumps?

Sorry I couldn't resist. :ange:  :lol: 


Well for me it started with understanding how everything works and how it should be you.Then you start to notice when things aren't smooth.I guess it's different for me but i'm sure some people didn't mind playing in the 30's when they started playing games on the PC.But now i'm sure they don't like it as much,or maybe not.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 10:04:53 PM

mohamed_fatah said:
Also would the card work with my power supply?


I forgot all about that.I'm actually not sure.I've never heard of that PSU maker before so I don't know if it's a credable PSU or not.Without knowing any of the specifications on it I would stay on the safe side and go with a 5650 or 5570.Or if you can spare it add another 20-30 euors and you can get new PSU.
July 28, 2011 10:09:50 PM

yea i might aswell upgrade the power supply thanks
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 28, 2011 10:35:28 PM

Try to buy from Antec,Corsair,Cooler Master and Seasonic.I realize those PSU's may be a little more expensive where you are but it's well worth it for the type of quality the offer.
July 29, 2011 10:50:35 AM

I am playing left 4 dead 2 and cod black ops on my old living room pc on a 46" 1080p lcdtv. Games like dirt2, batman, fear2 also run ok on it.
It is pretty close to your system's cpu. socket 939 x2-4400+@2.4ghz 800 shader hd-4870 card.
Sometimes the load times are a bit slow when games change maps. Dirt2 and gtaiv run at 30fps, which is on the edge of being choppy.

- Get a 800 shader card like a hd-6770 or hd-6790 or the bit faster hd-6850 or 6870 depending on what's on special.

-Get a new power supply so you can upgrade the board/cpu/memory later on.

-You will need a new windows 7 (maybe windows 8 is out by then) when you buy new board/cpu/memory since the oem windows-7 you have now is tied to that HP motherboard. (unless you bought windows 7 and it was win xp before)

-I am pretty sure only micro-atx boards fit on the HP case, you would have to double check that.

Upgrading the video card and power supply will let you play games for now, and upgrade the rest later.

Ok here is my suggestion.

http://www.ebuyer.com/269259-corsair-600w-cx-series-v2-...
£50.02 Corsair 600W CX Series V2 PSU - 6x SATA 2x PCI-E

http://www.ebuyer.com/244442-asus-hd-6850-direct-cu-1gb...
£118.73 ASUS HD 6850 Direct CU 1GB
(It will be good for reuse when you upgrade the cpu/board/memory/os later on)

http://www.ebuyer.com/271723-his-hd-6770-1gb-gddr5-dual...
£86.02 HIS HD 6770 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI
(best cheap card with 800 shaders, it replaces the former hd-4870 and hd-5770)

http://www.ebuyer.com/174219-sharkoon-silent-eagle-2000...
Fill any empty case fan spots on the HP case with case fans.
(maybe buy them local so you can make sure you get the right size fans that fit on your case)
a c 199 U Graphics card
July 29, 2011 11:08:28 AM

The EA-380D is a very capable PSU; I use them in all my budget builds and haven't had one fail yet. It will have no problem with any GPU with a single power connector, so that means even a HD6850.
Even if your current PSU is only good for 250W, it will run a HD5670.
July 29, 2011 11:08:37 AM

-Make sure you vaccum/blow the dust out of the pcie slot, and plug and unplug the new video card in many times, like 10 times to clean the video slot contacts. Usually when a slot sits empty for a long time it fills with dust and the contacts get dirty.

July 29, 2011 1:09:26 PM

I'd love to do all of that, but the problem is i only have a budget of around £50 so i guess i have to keep the same power supply which i have (300w) and find a graphics card. any ideas lol
July 29, 2011 1:43:25 PM

It's a waste of cash. £50 is not going to buy you enough graphics power to play games like cod black ops or left4dead 2.

This could be a better option, and it should work ok with your onboard video card.

http://www.onlive.com/#2

I would try the free trial and see how it works first.
July 29, 2011 1:51:06 PM

http://www.ebuyer.com/199415-sapphire-hd-5570-1gb-ddr3-...
£47.68 Sapphire HD 5570 1GB DDR3 Gain more system performance in an energy efficient and quiet SAPPHIRE HD 5570 graphic card. The power consumption is less than 45 watts under full load.

Really this is mostly a non-gaming htpc card, it will play older games like the first fear, older call of duty games, first left 4 dead but not left 4 dead 2, dirt 1 and not dirt2, and so on.
July 29, 2011 1:54:11 PM

A used hd-4850 or geforce 260, and a used 450 or 500 watt might be a better deal here.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 29, 2011 2:21:36 PM

I was able to get L4D 2 to play on high setting with a 5570.Although I had a quad core @ 3.4ghz.

When will you have more cash?You can run the 5670 on your current PSU but not for more than a couple months.
July 29, 2011 2:45:21 PM

i can get around £80 next week
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 29, 2011 3:21:09 PM

50+80? or 80 in total?

30 euoros should get you a good enough PSU.The Antec 380 watt I linked above is powerful enough to power a 5770.You could save up even more and get a 5770 if you wanted.
July 29, 2011 3:42:04 PM

£41.79 or the antec 380 watt vs. £50.02 for the 600 watt corsair.

I am not saying the 380 is bad, but the price difference is so little for a extra 220 watts. The corsair 600 is enough to allow crossfire 6770's and bulldozer 6 or 8 core upgrade path down the road.

a c 214 U Graphics card
July 29, 2011 4:44:47 PM

The Corsair 430watt is one of the lower end Corsair PSU's and it's only actually able to deliever 336 watts on the 12/v rail.Which is the same as the Antec 380 watt PSU.

Either way they still deleiver the same amount of power.Get whichever one is cheaper.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 29, 2011 4:48:22 PM

need4speeds said:
£41.79 or the antec 380 watt vs. £50.02 for the 600 watt corsair.

I am not saying the 380 is bad, but the price difference is so little for a extra 220 watts. The corsair 600 is enough to allow crossfire 6770's and bulldozer 6 or 8 core upgrade path down the road.


Actually the Corsair 600W CX is only capable of deleiver 480 watts on the 12/v rail.Which means it's only a 144 watt gain over the Corsair 500watt CX and the Antec 380 watt.

Still,it seems like a better buy.
July 30, 2011 12:42:36 AM

Or you take a chance on a unknown brand and hope for the best.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/500W-Silent-Power-Black-Supply/...

£21.50 CiT 500W PC PSU Power Supply

Hopefully its not like the brand name implies. If it dies then it will live up to it's name.

-Normally with cheap-o power supplies, in this case a Cit one, they normally don't put out the wattage they claim. So that 500 watts might be closer to antec's 380 watt or even a bit less. That could work out ok if you are picking a lower wattage card like the hd-6770.
a c 214 U Graphics card
July 30, 2011 2:14:53 AM

I suggest just staying with a trusted brand like Antec or Corsair,etc.
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