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September 29, 2011 12:59:28 PM

Hello everyone.. with the release of BF3, it has struck me that my PC is in need of a rather large upgrade. The computer that once could pretty much max out crysis now struggles to play bf3 smoothly on low-medium settings.
Ive been working with a friend in trying to gather a parts list for my setup upgrade, but i think my best bet at this point is seeking some advise from all of you. So, please help me finish this setup and provide some good info.. Thanks

CPU: SNB i5 2500K 3.3GHz or SNB i7 2600K 3.4GHz - im really stuck between these two. Its nice that the i5 is $100 cheaper, but will i loose alot compared to the i7?

Motherboard: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - would this work? if not, what would you recommend?

GPU: Geforce GTX 580 or Radeon 5970 - its basically down to these two for me, but once again.. im stuck between the two. Please help me choose which would be the best.

RAM: Aiming for 8GB (2x4) but still not sure what the best bet would be.

PSU: Nothing specific yet but im guessing ill need about a 750W?


Thats about it for now. Please help me narrow down my options for what would be the best setup for bf3. Would i be looking at running on all high settings with a setup like this?

Thanks in advanced.

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a b B Homebuilt system
September 29, 2011 1:18:38 PM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak0wTRjWqv...
From what ive heard Beta Ultra = Final Release High. The game looks EXCELLENT even at beta high. If you want to absolutely max the game, youre going to want to wait and see. Otherwise, the smartest move is to decide on a budget and build the best system you can.
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September 29, 2011 1:22:57 PM

Wow, thats quite the data.. Any place in there you recommend i look at specifically?

Looking at the GTX 580 section, it looks like if i went with that card and maybe the i7 2600K, i would be looking at full game all high settings. Then, depending on the performance i get out of that, adding another 580 at a future point would greatly boost the performance, without needing any change in the rest of the system.

Ive been looking at a few benchmarks, and the 580 looks to be one of the best cards for this game at the moment. I know the 5970, or some of the newer 6000 series cards are also good. Any thing in particular that should lead me to sway to one side (nvida or radeon)?

And i guess im still stuck between the i7 2600K and the i5 2500K. Some of the benchmarks ive seen show the i7 significantly out preforming the i5, while others show them on par. With the i5 being $100 less, i would really like to know if the i7 is worth the extra cash.

I know im still throwing alot of questions out there, but please.. anything you can do to answer these would be a great help.

Thanks
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 29, 2011 2:36:59 PM

the i7 is not worth the extra cash, thats the one solid piece of advice i can give. if i had to do it all over again, it would be just like this (i5-2500k + gtx 580):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N580GTX-TWIN-FROZ...

the gtx 580 is the best single gpu available and the i5-2500k isnt going to bottleneck it. Is it the best price/performance available? no. but that loss disappears if you are prudent with your other purchases. Im always disappointed to see people knock the value of the gtx 580 and then tout the wonders of a modular power supply and a $150 case.
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September 29, 2011 4:12:33 PM

Great,thanks for the info.

One more thing.. id like to keep the system open for adding another 580 down the road (running SLI), so i think its a good idea to get a big enough PSU for that right now. What size PSU would i need to run this system with two 580's

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: waiting on info


So yeah, thats the system as it stands. Everything look alright? Will i be able to run the bf3 beta on ultra (high for the full release hopefully?)
Anything that blatantly needs changing, or something i can change to cut the price a bit without looking performance?
thanks
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September 29, 2011 8:30:08 PM

jckstein said:
Great,thanks for the info.

One more thing.. id like to keep the system open for adding another 580 down the road (running SLI), so i think its a good idea to get a big enough PSU for that right now. What size PSU would i need to run this system with two 580's

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: waiting on info


So yeah, thats the system as it stands. Everything look alright? Will i be able to run the bf3 beta on ultra (high for the full release hopefully?)
Anything that blatantly needs changing, or something i can change to cut the price a bit without looking performance?
thanks



You would need 800w+ to SLI A GTX 580.
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September 30, 2011 12:52:40 AM

alright thanks, I'll add that to the list.

overall, how is this setup though? still looking for thoughts on how it would handle bf3? I'm hoping for maxed out on the beta, and at least all high for the fill game. 1920x1080 res btw.


thanks
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September 30, 2011 1:56:29 AM

Yah, i guess we just have to wait and see what the full game is really like. Any prediction to see how my computer would stack up against the beta at-least? I want to make sure im headed down the right path.

Also, whats the deal with the MSI Twin Frozr GTX 580. Any significant advantage over the EVGA GTX 580?
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 2:13:09 AM

TBH You don't need a 580. The 560 Ti from what I've heard plays BF3 beta just fine at max @ 1920x1080. With that said.

I'd go with this setup.
i5 2500K + MSI 560 Ti TFII OC (Equals 570) $449 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600 $48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Lepa 850w $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
OCZ ZS 750w $90 ($25 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 30, 2011 2:13:31 AM

Ok, good to know.. ill look into it.

Im sorry, and i really hate myself for continuously asking this, but i would really like to know a ballpark estimate for what sort of BF3 performance i would be getting, even if its just in the beta. It would just like overall reassurance and proof that this system is going to achieve its goal.
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September 30, 2011 2:30:58 AM

basically anything over a 6870 or a 560 will give a solid performance with some eye candy on the gpu side
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September 30, 2011 2:37:25 AM

aznshinobi said:
TBH You don't need a 580. The 560 Ti from what I've heard plays BF3 beta just fine at max @ 1920x1080. With that said.

I'd go with this setup.
i5 2500K + MSI 560 Ti TFII OC (Equals 570) $449 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600 $48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Lepa 850w $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
OCZ ZS 750w $90 ($25 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



hmm i think im gonna stick with a 580.

Also.. what is the difference with the Z68 and the p67 motherboard? Which would be the best for me?
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 2:42:54 AM

If you are building with the interest of BF3 I would say you would HAVE to go with NVidia.
Being an AMD fan I hate to say that but I can't ignore the facts.

The Last Nvidia Driver improved performance in BF3 by 38%
From what I have read AMDs upcoming driver states it 'improves performance' but gives no specifics.

Also Nvidia has been working closely with DICE on the development of this game.

BF3 will be a PHYS-X game.

Plus The GTX 500 series renders DX11 significantly better than AMD.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 2:43:51 AM

Z68 is cheaper. The 580 is a giant waste of money I will say right now. Price/Performance the 560 Ti is way better. In most cases the 560 Ti can OC easily and still run cool and at 1000mhz beats a 570 and practically catches up to the 580.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 2:48:10 AM

rwayne, you're incorrect. BF3 will not have Physx.
If anything BF3 uses AMD's "Physx" engine which is Havok. BF3 has a similar look to what the Havok physics produce so It's more likely NOT a Physx game.
Also until benchmarks are seen you cannot slant a game to a certain company. Full game isn't even out yet.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2011 5:10:09 AM

Per motherboards.org it is a PHYS-X game and Nvidia has had a big part in optimizing the code.

I'll research independently tomorrow. I am going to bed for now.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2011 3:09:23 AM

Per this video by motherboards.org:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHBx15oSAX8&feature=chan...

Nvidia does have Phys-x in Battlefield 3.

I am trying to verify this on Nvidia's website but I have not found any evidence yet.

Check this out...this is pretty cool. Let me show you what I did find:

On Nvidia's game page they have a performance preview chart for BF3.

They list their past few generation of cards then they document how they perform in the game.

What really gets me is that they have the 8800GT / 9800GT listed as only able to run the game on 'low graphic settings' at 1280 x 1024 resolution. That is impressive. Because the 9800GT although dated is still a decent card.

Here is the performance breakdown by Nvidia:
http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guides/battlefield-3-be...

Scroll down the page midway to the section titled "Optimal Playable Settings For Popular Cards" and you will see the chart.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2011 6:15:40 AM

They don't even know what they are talking about. The guy says "6930 or above" That is so BS cause that's not a card. Also the guy says "they've thrown a lot of effort into BF3" That doesn't flat out mean they will have Physx. The Beta doesn't even have the Physx option on it.

Nvidia may say that, but that doesn't mean it'll run smoothly. I will say right now until we see benches I don't believe any BS AMD or Nvidia puts out straight from there sites.
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October 2, 2011 10:38:46 PM

By the looks of things my setup should play perfectly at high settings.. but i may need a second 580 down to road to really crack into Ultra.


Last thing for me to decide is which rebrand of the GTX 580 to go with. At the moment i have been planning on going with the EVGA one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) but ive heard alot about the MSI twin froza. I like the clean look of the EVGA one so i would rather go with that, but if the MSI one is alot better, maybe it will be the best bet.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 2, 2011 10:49:34 PM

2x560 Ti would be plenty. You wouldn't even need 1. The 6950 2GB on that chart is shown running Ultra at steady 60 FPS
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October 2, 2011 10:52:19 PM

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its a beast at cooling compared to the reference evga card. I don't know if it overclocks better than the evga or not but I do know that the dual fan setup + gg non reference cooler = plenty of cooling to handle any oc you throw at it.

I own two MSI Twin Frozr III 6950 2GB and my top card runs @ 64C max load with my bottom card running at 60C in a 75F room.



Damn, in a few days i'm getting my parts and those include an i5 2500k and the same MSI Twin Frozr III 6950 2GB as you, however only one.

I ordered hoping to get good performance on BF3 with the 1 6950 card. Any indication if i'll be able to run on high with low AA and AF?

Would hate to have to dish out another 300 on another vid card.
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October 2, 2011 10:59:05 PM

aznshinobi said:
2x560 Ti would be plenty. You wouldn't even need 1. The 6950 2GB on that chart is shown running Ultra at steady 60 FPS



hmm i see that..
#292 on the chart is running Ultra at 1920x1080 with the i5 2500K by the looks of it, and is getting 75+ fps.. seems a bit strange. I should be able to do the same with a 580 though right?
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 2, 2011 11:20:34 PM

Yes, but even then, I don't think you'll need to waste $450-$500 on a GPU when you could basically buy 2 560 Ti's or 6950 2GB's with that money. I say just get a single 6950 2GB.
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October 2, 2011 11:27:31 PM

aznshinobi said:
Yes, but even then, I don't think you'll need to waste $450-$500 on a GPU when you could basically buy 2 560 Ti's or 6950 2GB's with that money. I say just get a single 6950 2GB.


I would rather not go with 2 graphics cards off the batt in order to match the performance of one 580. This would get rid of all of the room for expansion if the game turns out to be even more of a beast than already predicted. If im going to get the same performance out of two 6950's as i would get with one 580.. i would rather have the ability to add another 580 down the road and have a very powerful system. I think its the most sensible option in terms of longevity of the system. I know you seem to have a thing against the 580 from a value point of view, but price aside, is it not the best card for this game?
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October 2, 2011 11:34:29 PM

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I ran with crossfire off to see how my single gpu handled and it was very nice ^_^ you will have no problem what so ever running the game its very well optimized (will be once it releases) the current beta is somewhat optimized (more than black ops ever will be)

the i5 2500k is a boss and will give you a nice boost compared to my 965BE, I am purchasing a nice cooler so I can reach 4ghz so I can keep up with you 2500kers :p 

You will be able to run the game at great quality with a single 6950, they said the recommended gpu for HIGH settings for the actual game is a 1GB 6950 / 1GB 560ti so you will be fine ^_^

Yeah I suggest considering that 2nd gpu later just so you can run the game at godly looking settings lol.



Cool!! Thanks man, I was getting worried after seeing people on the BF3 complain about mediocre performance of the 580. While some simply said they over rated their cards before testing, others claimed it was bad optimization.

I do intend to Crossfire eventually, however after my most recent purchase of a complete build around 1100$ I'm going to have to wait before purchasing an additional 6950.

I'm hoping to benefit from a little performance increase by overclocking CPU to 3.8-4.0ghz. Got a 212+ cooler for the 2500k, ripjaw x 1600mhz ram, WD Caviar black 1TB 64MB, and TX650 PSU all attached to a gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 motherboard and placed in a HAF 932. Saddly everything but the case is 40,000 feet above ocean level, somewhere between paris and my house.

While I know other games will come, I built this almost specifically for BF3, so hoping it will deliver, at least on high settings. I can live without ultra.

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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 2, 2011 11:34:38 PM

Wait what? No it's clearly not.
Look at the spreadsheet carefully.

9/28/2011 7:31:13 GTX 580 No 285.38 Sandy Bridge 4C/8T 3.1-3.5Ghz No Ultra 1920x1200 GTX580 SOC, i5 2500k 6 Tolerably Playable (45-55fps) 6GB DX11

9/28/2011 13:06:13 HD6970 No Phenom II X6 2.66-3.0Ghz No Ultra 1920x1200 7 No problems at all (>75fps) 4GB DX11

That shows that 1 single 6970 (which a 6950 2GB can easily overclock to) can beat out a single 580 in performance. The 6970 system is using a Phenom II X6 as well which if all logic stands should be performing worse than the 2500K. Granted the SB system is using 6GB of ram which doesn't make sense since it's a dual channel platform.

With that said, you'd be better of getting a 6950 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 2, 2011 11:41:02 PM

jckstein said:
I would rather not go with 2 graphics cards off the batt in order to match the performance of one 580. This would get rid of all of the room for expansion if the game turns out to be even more of a beast than already predicted. If im going to get the same performance out of two 6950's as i would get with one 580.. i would rather have the ability to add another 580 down the road and have a very powerful system. I think its the most sensible option in terms of longevity of the system. I know you seem to have a thing against the 580 from a value point of view, but price aside, is it not the best card for this game?



Checkout the official battlefield.com US forums. There are many threads running regarding people who are disappointed in the 580 performance, citing other 570 owners who are displaying better performance.
Furthermore 2 6950's > 1 580.
I know that Nvidia hyped the 580 as the best card for the game, leading to many people purchasing the card only to find out that the 570 outperformed it specifically on BF3 Beta. This shows that company hype can be trusted as much as your ex-wife's lawyer.
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October 2, 2011 11:48:13 PM

aznshinobi said:
Wait what? No it's clearly not.
Look at the spreadsheet carefully.

9/28/2011 7:31:13 GTX 580 No 285.38 Sandy Bridge 4C/8T 3.1-3.5Ghz No Ultra 1920x1200 GTX580 SOC, i5 2500k 6 Tolerably Playable (45-55fps) 6GB DX11

9/28/2011 13:06:13 HD6970 No Phenom II X6 2.66-3.0Ghz No Ultra 1920x1200 7 No problems at all (>75fps) 4GB DX11

That shows that 1 single 6970 (which a 6950 2GB can easily overclock to) can beat out a single 580 in performance. The 6970 system is using a Phenom II X6 as well which if all logic stands should be performing worse than the 2500K. Granted the SB system is using 6GB of ram which doesn't make sense since it's a dual channel platform.

With that said, you'd be better of getting a 6950 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Hmm, you are right. There does seem to be very few people running 75+ with one 580 whereas there are a few 6950's doing it. THis has made my decision even harder now.. i thought i was getting to the end of the tough decision making but this only made it worse. I truly do not know what to go with at this point. I would rather not go with two cards off the bat, but i would like 60fps or so in ultra with one card. Ahh this is so difficult
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October 2, 2011 11:57:33 PM

I actually would sacrifice an SSD that contributes to gaming only by shortening the load times of maps, in order to get a behemoth like 6990 which I feel would much better contribute to my gaming experience.

I think this is a matter of taste and personal preference though. Short startup times and shorter ingame map loading times are fun, but running everything at max and enjoy 100+ FPS regardless of what happens around you = more fun :) 
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2011 12:28:20 AM

Just get the 6950 2GB and save some money. I'd suggest getting this PSU so you have the option to CF and overclock the 2500K a bit. It's cheap too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Plus there is a $50 MIR.

As for the 6950 2GB go with this one.
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-256bit-Mini-DisplayPor...

And for the RAM, I'd actually change it to this one since the heatsink on the Corsairs I recommended are a bit high.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get this Hyper 212 Evo for extra cooling so you can OC your 2500K further.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 3, 2011 12:53:35 AM

aznshinobi said:
Just get the 6950 2GB and save some money. I'd suggest getting this PSU so you have the option to CF and overclock the 2500K a bit. It's cheap too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Plus there is a $50 MIR.

As for the 6950 2GB go with this one.
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-256bit-Mini-DisplayPor...

And for the RAM, I'd actually change it to this one since the heatsink on the Corsairs I recommended are a bit high.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get this Hyper 212 Evo for extra cooling so you can OC your 2500K further.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




I still dont like the idea of the 6950 :/ 

take a look at this.
http://h4.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-beta-gpu5p0n.png

the single 6950 is pulling substantially lower fps than a 580, and two of them would appear to do only a slight bit better than a single 580. And sitting at the top is SLI 580, which was my initial plan for the future.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2011 1:18:19 AM

I honestly don't see the need if my 5850 which is substantially worse than a 6950 or 560 Ti OC , can handle BF3 at high why you would need a 580. But if you REALLY feel the need OP, it is your decision.
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