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September 30, 2011 2:54:53 AM

Hi,

I am looking to build my new PC but will still be using some parts from my current as it is not that old, Any ideas or opinions about the below setup please:

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Case (already have)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (already have)
CPU: i7 930 (already have)
Memory: Corsair 6GB DDR3 1600 (already have)
CPU Cooling: CoolerMaster V10 Hybrid TEC
Video Card: VTX3D Radeon HD6970 2GB
Video Card 2: VTX3D Radeon HD6970 2GB
Power Supply : Antec TruePower 750W Blue
Hard Drives: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB WD2002FAEX x3 (already have 2)
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD
Soundcard: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Monitors: Samsung BX2450 24inch Widescreen LED Monitor x3

I have been out of the loop for some time now so I have a few concerns, any advice around:
6gb of ram going to cut it?
Are there better CPU coolers out there for the money? looking to OC my 930
And will I have enough power os should I go to a 1000 watt?

Any criticism would be appreciated.

Cheers

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September 30, 2011 3:05:42 AM

I'm pretty sure that 6gb of ram will be fine. You could however, pick up another six for around $60 if you need it.

Two 2gb 6970's will definitely hold up fine with three monitors. Infact, the 1gb would probably be fine too.

The cooler master v10 is definitely not worth the money. If you don't want to set up a LC system I would recommend using the Corsair H70. If you don't want liquid go with the Noctua NH-D14.

I'm pretty sure that a 750w won't handle all of that. I would definitely bump it up to a 1000w if it fits in your budget.

I wrote most of that using prior knowledge so if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

Cheers,
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September 30, 2011 3:12:14 AM

^Or a Xigmatek SD1283, if you want to save some money, though it seems like that isn't much of an issue :D 
seriously, though, those 6970s are gonna be making a whole lot more noise than any CPU cooler. The Noctua is probably overkill, but it will work very well if you feel you need your CPU a couple of degrees cooler.
Yes, I'd go up to an 850W at least. A 6970 uses around 300W max, so that'll leave you with around 100W of headroom after the CPU takes its cut, and that's OK. A 1000W would be fine if you think you're gonna somehow use more power in the future (?).
Why the fancy sound card? Do you need surround? Do you have a super-fancy sound system? If not, built-in is fine.
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September 30, 2011 3:17:24 AM

750w wouldn't be enough.

Get the Hyper 212+ or the Hyper 212 Evo or the Hyper 612.
Drop the 6970's infact, just get 2x560 Ti or 2x6950.
As for HDD No need to add another WD Black, it'll barely improve performance, wouldn't even be noticeable.
No need for sound card.
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September 30, 2011 3:18:19 AM

Why do you recommend dropping a level in GPUs?
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September 30, 2011 3:36:55 AM

the 6970 is fine, in fact, GTx 570 is better and you can even OC it to be faster... 850Watts is enough because a singe 6970 video card cant use more than 2 580... 6GB is fine... Get Venomous X because you can OC your CPU to 4.4GHz but it'll be in the 1.35v Range so just stay at 4.1GHz or so and also Noctua a waste of $20-$30 as it's too good for the 930(Good cooling but cant go higher as you get higher risk), BTW, you can even go with a H100 instead of H70, H80 is better than H70...

Recommended this monitor!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the only problem with this one is that it's not 120Hz, it's for 3D anyways but also good at same for gaming 2D but dont really need it lol... This monitor is Led, Has high contrast ratio, 2MS, 24", 1920x1080(1080p), also cheaper lol...

Also, if you got money, get the Vertex 3 120GB Max IOSP because it's faster plus you'll use 60GB less than a month...
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September 30, 2011 3:58:29 AM

^ Why get the H100 when the Hyper 612 is better for $50-$60 less?
Why get a 570 that is $60 more than the 560 Ti SOC? Plus the reasoning that you can OC it to be faster can be disregarded since the 6970 can do the same.

The Venomous X is overpriced and old. It's not a competitor in the new market.

Can you show me where a person will use 60gb in less than a month? The SSD's purpose is a boot drive, not a main storage drive. I have a 60GB Vertex 2 and I haven't even used 50GB and I have PS5 and LR3.3 on it + Windows 7 32-bit.
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September 30, 2011 4:17:06 AM

Thanks for all the help, and so quickly.... love this forum!

So thinking I might change the PSU to a OCZ Technology ZX Series 1000W instead, I know this will be overkill but i may end up going a 3rd card down the track depending on newer games and eyefinity.

I will be looking to OC the 930 but am a little concerned with all the heat coming from the GPUs, so my plan is to overkill with fans and so on just to be sure, so the Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler or similiar might be the go. Thanks for the tips regarding the V10 Hybrid.

Now in terms of 6950's vs 6970's, I have heard from a few people that there is very little gain going to the 6970. Is this still the case when looking at 5760x1080 resolutions?

And I should have mentioned, the extra WD Black is being given to me... so no cost there, will only be used for storage though so abit of a waste.

SSD will be for booting only and hence sticking with the 60gb, nothing else will really make it on there.... have 6tb for the rest ;) 
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September 30, 2011 4:27:26 AM

Sorry should have mentioned, I will be getting the listed Samsung monitors for $199 AUS and the Asus is $215, is the Asus monitor any better?
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September 30, 2011 4:30:36 AM

aznshinobi said:
The Venomous X is overpriced and old. It's not a competitor in the new market.

Old yes, overpriced no. The only things that beat it are the NH-D14 and the Silver Arrow.

And yes, I'm only responding because I own one. :p 
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September 30, 2011 4:45:25 AM

And the Soundcard is there for my 5.1 Headphones, I'm not convinced onboard quite cuts it for them.
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September 30, 2011 4:49:02 AM

Oh OK, just checked the price, at $60 roughly, the Venomous X isn't overpriced. But at this point it can't beat the H100 so the cheaper Hyper 612 is a better option. Just saying.

As for your question, all honesty, go with 6950 2GB CF or the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC SLI, you won't even notice a difference. I don't think you'll ever need try card, just stick with 750w you should be good. But if you really think so, I do believe only the 6950 2GB supports Tri-CF not the 560 Ti.
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September 30, 2011 5:25:51 AM

I think you are right about the 6950's, had a look at a couple reviews running high res comparisons and there really isn't much difference apart from the 6950's running ALOT cooler on load. I think I will go that way after all.
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September 30, 2011 11:37:57 AM

aznshinobi said:
^ Why get the H100 when the Hyper 612 is better for $50-$60 less?
Why get a 570 that is $60 more than the 560 Ti SOC? Plus the reasoning that you can OC it to be faster can be disregarded since the 6970 can do the same.

The Venomous X is overpriced and old. It's not a competitor in the new market.

Can you show me where a person will use 60gb in less than a month? The SSD's purpose is a boot drive, not a main storage drive. I have a 60GB Vertex 2 and I haven't even used 50GB and I have PS5 and LR3.3 on it + Windows 7 32-bit.

Want to know why you still have that 45GB left(Windows takes about 15GB)? BECAUSE you never even install any game yet you tard... Games like Battle Field 3 will definitely take more than 20GB of the Boot Drive so if you want to install Multi game(If your family plays or you play it) than get a 120GB but if you ain't installing Multi Game than get 60GB, the 120GB is faster than a 60GB and anything over 120GB is just the same speed as 120GB is(60GB version is slower by a bit)... Just remember that if you play Battle Field 3, Better get a 120GB because it'll get filled up in a month due to download and/or installing games, otherwise you can only play one game or 2 game at 60GB, If you play low end game on a high end gaming computer, why get it anyway, $500 would be enough already...(Low end game usually takes 1-10GB, Low graphic Usage and lower CPU Usage and stuff with 200FPS+ which barely touches your hardware) BTW whe nyou buy a 3 Surround Monitor, Get 2GB because i got a Monitor of 1920x1200 and my games are almost up to 1GB(Most i seen was 862MB Usage) when playing A.V.A.(Alliance of Villiant Arms - It's a free game from steam lol) at max setting which takes about 7-9GB of boot drive which is low end but uses lot of GPU Memory so 3 Monitor will likely to double the usage(Probably by 70% more at around 1700MB Usabe)
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September 30, 2011 9:43:51 PM

^Every capitalized noun stings a little :D 
60gb would be fine; 120gb would be better; 512gb would be great. It depends how much you're willing to spend.
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October 1, 2011 6:26:19 AM

Lol Legend you are literally so dumb. The purpose of a boot drive is to BOOT only and programs that actually get boosted with the SSD. Installing a game on the SSD BARELY improves load times and performance. With that said, no need to spend about $100 more or $60 just to get larger space. Putting it on the Samsung F3 is a better use of space. Plus I'm using Beta now and it hasn't even used 10gb, The recommended space is defiantly not how much it ACTUALLY uses.
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October 1, 2011 3:05:44 PM

I thought it improved load times pretty significantly.
If you don't insist on calling it a "BOOT" drive, there's lots you can put on an SSD :p 
It'll improve the performance of many apps. I think there's something to be said for going 128.
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October 3, 2011 10:13:10 PM

My plans are to only have OS and CS5 on the SSD, that will be about it. I am fine having an extra half second load time for games, so long as it runs perfectly once I am in.

If I chose to eventually use SSD for games and so on as well, then I will just buy another one down the track.
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October 3, 2011 10:19:03 PM

And I had to get a new CPU cooler earlier than I expected, local store didn't have the D-14 so I ended up with the Corsair H80 instead at a good price. Very nice cooler!
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October 3, 2011 10:35:28 PM

^ That's Crysis though, and even then. No big deal, sporting a VelociRaptor (not much better than a standard Samsung F3 1TB and I get real fast load times into Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 as well as Deus Ex HR.

To save more money return the H80 and get the Hyper 212 Evo.
It'll perform practically the same, the H80 even performs worse than the Hyper 212+ in some cases
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October 3, 2011 10:40:25 PM

I may end up getting another SSD down the track, but I would like to keep one to only boot OS and CS5, possibly some 3D rendering Apps but nothing huge.

Didn't have any 212's either, my stock cooler died so needed something ASAP. happy with the H80 though!
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October 4, 2011 12:56:22 AM

Does anyone know much about the X-Fi Titanium soundcard, are they much better than onboard sound?

I have a 5.1 Roccat headset that I think could benifit from having a better soundcard but still dont want to spend a fortune on a card.
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October 4, 2011 12:57:15 AM

It may be worth getting a card just for the surround, but it doesn't need to be high-end. A Xonar DG would be fine.
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October 4, 2011 1:00:57 AM

No they (sound cards) are not worth it at all. Headset won't benefit the cards that much.
My P11's are "5.1/7.1 DSS Dolby Sound" but it doesn't really sound different at all using my mobo sound. Sounds good enough to locate infact.
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October 4, 2011 2:10:38 AM

Thanks for the tip on the Xonar card Kajabla, sounds like they are a little nicer than the X-Fi card, for my headset at least. I'm certainly no Audiophile but am not a big fan of the onboard sound.

I have plugged my headset into what I assume was a good soundcard before and the difference is pretty significant when gaming, however you hear a lot of rubbish when listening to MP3's. I assume its at a frequency not normally picked up by onboard or something.
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October 4, 2011 2:12:30 AM

When was the last time you used onboard sound? My 790FX-GD70 is a 2 year old board, top of the line at the time and I hear none of what you have said about the weird frequency.
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October 4, 2011 2:13:14 AM

And aren't P11's already amplified? So a better soundcard wouldn't make any difference anyway.
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October 4, 2011 2:15:41 AM

No I think you misunderstood me, the "extra sound" comes with having better speakers and soundcards.... I've never noticed it with onboard.

But I dont use my PC for music so that wouldn't bother me anyway.
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October 4, 2011 2:23:16 AM

Oh well I think if your Rocats are that good, MB sound is sufficient. TBH There is virtually no reason for sound cards, I play BF3 without it and find nearby people easily. CSS as well.
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October 4, 2011 2:42:17 AM

aznshinobi said:
Oh well I think if your Rocats are that good, MB sound is sufficient. TBH There is virtually no reason for sound cards, I play BF3 without it and find nearby people easily. CSS as well.

Sound Card is for high quality hearing so only for those who edit music or sound should get one...
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October 4, 2011 11:38:26 PM

Can onboard handle 5.1? I didn't think that was possible; if it is, by all means go onboard. I just suggested the Xonar DG as a ~$25 option for easy surround sound.
You hear crap on your MP3s because their files are low-quality to begin with lol. There's a limit to what playback devices can do with bad source material.
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October 4, 2011 11:43:37 PM

In my opinion yes it can. I hear basically all around with my P11s. Maybe that's just me.
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October 4, 2011 11:52:59 PM

Yeah it can handle 5.1 fine, I think the onboard may even be capable of 7.1 from memory.

After doing a fair bit of research there seems to be a lot of mixed opinions on this front but more often than not it's just said that the difference is not worth the money.

My only concern was as my headset does not have a built in amplifier, it soly relies on the onboard sound at the moment and I know that it can be improved on but certainly isn't worth paying big money for that improvement.

Not really concerned with the ability of positional sound, the Kaves are awesome at this as it. More around the sound quality itself, which I know will never be amazing compared to a good set of headphones, but might as well get the most out of them right.

Maybe to be more specific I should be asking if the Roccat Kave's would sound any better with the Xonar card opposed to onboard. But I will leave the soundcard out of this build for now and think about it later. Thanks for all the input guys, appreciate it!
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October 4, 2011 11:55:40 PM

No, I don't think they will.
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October 5, 2011 12:52:39 AM

Yep no problem!

As for doubts of MB sound.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2009/05/0...
That is the onboard sound from my board's review. It states that it sounds superb and I agree. Now this was 2 years ago so I think by now they've gotten even better. So with that said, onboard would be fine.

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