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September 30, 2011 11:58:26 PM

Hello all! I just signed up today as I heard this is THE place to go when I need help!
Alright, I'm 13 and my handed- down HP nx9420 is getting outdated really fast with it's Radeon x1600 GPU and a Centrino Duo CPU. I can't, to my understanding- play the BF3 beta at this point and I've gotten to the point where I've given up gaming laptops- It's time to find parts for an awesome gaming PC.

I'd figure I'd start with the CPU- I need a Processor that can handle what I need and more (FSX at very high settings, BF3 at highest settings, Dead Island at highest settings, you get the point.) I'm not too big of a fan of AMD so I am leaning torwards Intel's beastly i7. I realise there is numbers after i7, and I'm sure that could be defined once I pick out a suitable GPU that can do the described things and more for the next few years. This being said of course, someone my age can't just save up 1,000$ in a month, so I'd also like to try to make a 600$-700$ budget on the PC.

Now if there's a reliable and affordable AMD equivlant by all means say so! I appreciate your help as I'm sure this will be a long process finding the right parts for me.

Thanks.
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October 1, 2011 12:35:05 AM

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October 1, 2011 12:36:15 AM

Ah, thank you very much- I didn't see that.
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October 1, 2011 8:33:08 AM

A $600 budget isn't enough for i7. It's not even enough for a proper i5 build. I suggest looking at the latest $500 System Builder's Marathon (AMD) and going from there.
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October 1, 2011 8:38:18 AM

FinneousPJ said:
A $600 budget isn't enough for i7. It's not even enough for a proper i5 build. I suggest looking at the latest $500 System Builder's Marathon (AMD) and going from there.

It isnt.Unless if you have a spare monitor around and a case we could possibly take away from your budget and make room for other more economical parts into your gaming pc.
October 1, 2011 9:47:59 AM

If you are going to use the PC mainly for game ( i suppose you dont do HD movie renderin, graphic design stuff) dont go for i7, get i5 is already nice. As i7 contains hyper threading for some people who needs it, and i think youre going to use it to play games, get i5, its more than enough.
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October 1, 2011 11:48:13 AM

I am not good at doing budget builds as I hate skimping on parts!

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heatsink:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case(Thanks to uther39):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD/CD burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


$620.91+45.02(tax)+14.70(shipping)= $680.63. This is before mail-in-rebates.

AMD processors are good for cheap budget builds like this. If you need any extra horsepower, you could also overclock(one reason why I added in the Heatsink). Btw, when overclocking for the 955, if you do, you should think about overclocking the HTT bus to about 2800mhz; this gives about a 10% boost along with the clockspeed bump to the processor. Reviews never seem to do this. Also, for the memory settings try unganged instead of ganged for slightly better performance there as well.

The 6770 is a decent card. You won't be able to play all games at max settings with it. My 6950 is on its knees with everything max@ 1080p in the BF3 Beta. Makes it barely playable, but not good enough; I do much better when the settings are lower since the fps is higher.

I also went with 8 Gigs of memory, because memory is just so cheap now! Plus, it's always good to have extra ram; I didn't expect to be using my 6 GB on this build for a few more years, but I opened task manager a little while ago and noticed I was over 5GB. It is a definite good buy with Mushkin too.

This build was also assuming you have a monitor and mouse/keyboard. If you need it to be cheaper, there are a few things that I could change, but these are what I would go for.
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October 1, 2011 1:00:34 PM

Doh, I forgot the OS too! >< Lame, looks like I will have to cut back! :pt1cable: 
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October 1, 2011 1:03:27 PM

He can take the OS off his laptop, ive just done the same on a build, i took Windows 7 off my Acer laptop to build a new PC, and installed Ubuntu 11.4 on the Acer Laptop, and all is yummy with the world.
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October 1, 2011 1:08:52 PM

Uther39 said:
He can take the OS off his laptop, ive just done the same on a build, i took Windows 7 off my Acer laptop to build a new PC, and installed Ubuntu 11.4 on the Acer Laptop, and all is yummy with the world.

Can but is a violation of the license agreement!
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October 1, 2011 1:15:20 PM

Uther39 said:
He can take the OS off his laptop, ive just done the same on a build, i took Windows 7 off my Acer laptop to build a new PC, and installed Ubuntu 11.4 on the Acer Laptop, and all is yummy with the world.

Well, maybe he could do that, but it would be nice for his new build to have Windows 7 for his new quad, since 7 is the best optimized Windows OS for multithreading so far. The handed down laptop is probably XP or Vista. Vista isn't that bad(using it right now actually) and XP is decent, but they are no where near as good as 7.
October 1, 2011 1:23:43 PM

You can build a competent i5 build for under $600 if you already have the OS, Case, and PSU, Keyboard/Mouse and Monitor. Otherwise you'll have an overpowered processor compared with the rest of the system.

Either an i3-2100 or a quad core AMD would be good options for a cheap build. You may want to wait a few weeks and see if Bulldozer comes out (last I heard was Oct 12th, but you never know). If Bulldozer does come out it could bring the prices down for the other processors letting you get a more powerful graphics card.

As others said, look through the system builder series for the $500 build and you'll get an idea for what you can actually buy. Once you have a system you think is good, you can post it and get feedback.
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October 1, 2011 1:27:18 PM

rolli59 said:
Can but is a violation of the license agreement!


But i like being violated ;) 

But being serious, yes your right it is, but at least he would still be only using it on one system.

I no, Im sooo naughty.
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October 1, 2011 1:30:03 PM

Uther39 said:
But i like being violated ;) 

But being serious, yes your right it is, but at least he would still be only using it on one system.

I no, Im sooo naughty.

I understand what you are saying but we have to be ethical publicly!
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October 1, 2011 1:31:44 PM

Very true,

Dont do it !
Dont do it !
Dont do it !
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October 1, 2011 1:44:31 PM

nordlead said:
You can build a competent i5 build for under $600 if you already have the OS, Case, and PSU, Keyboard/Mouse and Monitor. Otherwise you'll have an overpowered processor compared with the rest of the system.

Either an i3-2100 or a quad core AMD would be good options for a cheap build. You may want to wait a few weeks and see if Bulldozer comes out (last I heard was Oct 12th, but you never know). If Bulldozer does come out it could bring the prices down for the other processors letting you get a more powerful graphics card.

As others said, look through the system builder series for the $500 build and you'll get an idea for what you can actually buy. Once you have a system you think is good, you can post it and get feedback.

I've learned in my time of being an enthusiast that Intel rarely changes their pricing based on AMD's performance. Even during the P4 days they had an extreme model at $1k losing out to AMD's model that was cheaper.

AMD's pricing also shouldn't change much. The Phenom II's are going for so cheap right now for the die size, that I think it will just stay this price for quite a while. Plus there is no competition for the prices they are at, an X4 outperforms an Intel dual core with HT when multithreading comes into play. The Phenom can also overclock, thus edging it's performance to be much greater than the dual core.

Delays keep happening with Bulldozer... It's only rumored to come out on October 12th, and I've heard rumors it'll be more like November.
October 1, 2011 2:41:09 PM

Haserath said:
Well, maybe he could do that, but it would be nice for his new build to have Windows 7 for his new quad, since 7 is the best optimized Windows OS for multithreading so far. The handed down laptop is probably XP or Vista. Vista isn't that bad(using it right now actually) and XP is decent, but they are no where near as good as 7.

I have windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit.
October 1, 2011 2:42:01 PM

Haserath said:
Well, maybe he could do that, but it would be nice for his new build to have Windows 7 for his new quad, since 7 is the best optimized Windows OS for multithreading so far. The handed down laptop is probably XP or Vista. Vista isn't that bad(using it right now actually) and XP is decent, but they are no where near as good as 7.

My laptop has Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit.
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October 1, 2011 3:15:03 PM

natebot88 said:
My laptop has Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit.

Ungh, 32-bit also means that the 8GB of memory for the build will go to waste. Yet it's just so cheap for 4GB sticks... This'll probably be the cheapest time to buy them ever unless Black Friday has some good sales.

It's your decision on what to do though. Keep 32-bit or go 64-bit.
October 1, 2011 4:08:48 PM

ghnader hsmithot said:
It isnt.Unless if you have a spare monitor around and a case we could possibly take away from your budget and make room for other more economical parts into your gaming pc.

I do have a moniter- An Asus p205H I believe with an SVI cable ( I think it's SVI, it's white and larger then VGA)
October 1, 2011 4:45:15 PM

That would be DVI.. and do you know the size resolution? That also will help determine how much power you need.
October 1, 2011 4:54:30 PM

or maybe buy from amazon.com to get free shipping and even financing ? (but needs SSN ) :) 
October 1, 2011 4:55:20 PM

ras49 said:
That would be DVI.. and do you know the size resolution? That also will help determine how much power you need.

Max res. 1600x900. It's an AWESOME monitor.
October 1, 2011 4:57:24 PM

Haserath said:
Ungh, 32-bit also means that the 8GB of memory for the build will go to waste. Yet it's just so cheap for 4GB sticks... This'll probably be the cheapest time to buy them ever unless Black Friday has some good sales.

It's your decision on what to do though. Keep 32-bit or go 64-bit.

I will probably keep 32 until it's time to upgrade to more RAM.
October 1, 2011 5:01:30 PM

nordlead said:
You can build a competent i5 build for under $600 if you already have the OS, Case, and PSU, Keyboard/Mouse and Monitor. Otherwise you'll have an overpowered processor compared with the rest of the system.

Either an i3-2100 or a quad core AMD would be good options for a cheap build. You may want to wait a few weeks and see if Bulldozer comes out (last I heard was Oct 12th, but you never know). If Bulldozer does come out it could bring the prices down for the other processors letting you get a more powerful graphics card.

As others said, look through the system builder series for the $500 build and you'll get an idea for what you can actually buy. Once you have a system you think is good, you can post it and get feedback.

In my opinion i3 in way underpowered for what I want to game with. Mind you its still a CPU in the i series, but I think either an i5, i7, or AMD equivalent would do the job. Though i5 seems good- still need to do alot of research and Tom hardware help ;) 
October 1, 2011 5:21:33 PM

Haserath said:
I am not good at doing budget builds as I hate skimping on parts!

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heatsink:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case(Thanks to uther39):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD/CD burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


$620.91+45.02(tax)+14.70(shipping)= $680.63. This is before mail-in-rebates.

AMD processors are good for cheap budget builds like this. If you need any extra horsepower, you could also overclock(one reason why I added in the Heatsink). Btw, when overclocking for the 955, if you do, you should think about overclocking the HTT bus to about 2800mhz; this gives about a 10% boost along with the clockspeed bump to the processor. Reviews never seem to do this. Also, for the memory settings try unganged instead of ganged for slightly better performance there as well.

The 6770 is a decent card. You won't be able to play all games at max settings with it. My 6950 is on its knees with everything max@ 1080p in the BF3 Beta. Makes it barely playable, but not good enough; I do much better when the settings are lower since the fps is higher.

I also went with 8 Gigs of memory, because memory is just so cheap now! Plus, it's always good to have extra ram; I didn't expect to be using my 6 GB on this build for a few more years, but I opened task manager a little while ago and noticed I was over 5GB. It is a definite good buy with Mushkin too.

This build was also assuming you have a monitor and mouse/keyboard. If you need it to be cheaper, there are a few things that I could change, but these are what I would go for.

I'm really liking your build, a good budget indeed. But the thing is I really want a monster of a PC where I dont need to bring settings down to enjoy the game and even further if I want to use Fraps. So scratch the 600$ budget, say I bring it to 800-900$, what do you suggest?
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October 1, 2011 6:03:46 PM

I suggest we move this thread to the new build section.
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October 1, 2011 6:04:08 PM

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natebot88 said:
I'm really liking your build, a good budget indeed. But the thing is I really want a monster of a PC where I dont need to bring settings down to enjoy the game and even further if I want to use Fraps. So scratch the 600$ budget, say I bring it to 800-900$, what do you suggest?

Alright, if you don't need the OS upgrade that extra $200 or so would move you up into the HD 6950.

The mobo I picked out only allows for 1 GPU as the other Pci-e slot will be limited to x4, which isn't enough bandwidth for these cards anymore. But I also don't recommend dual GPU setups, you have to deal with some of the hiccups caused from having two(they're usually more glitchy than one), and there is 'micro-stutter' that can really become noticeable when the frames are getting low. I haven't used dual gpu's myself, but after hearing about it, I wouldn't want to.

In fact, here's an article on dual GPU's and stuttering/scaling for you:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

If you still want to try it, I'll see what I can do.
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I tried to fit in a GTX 570 or HD 6970 into your budget, but that puts it a little over and the 6950 is much better price for performance anyway.

I think that once BF3 is out of Beta there should be some FPS increases from driver updates. As I said before, the 6950 is somewhat able to play the Beta at max settings in 1080p. It's smooth, but it gets slow. I also haven't updated to the latest driver that AMD put out for BF3, which might help already. I think the only single card that can really play this well(keeping it above 40 minimum) is the GTX 580, but that thing is in a whole other price range.

New GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Price:
$795.91+57.70(tax)+15.64(shipping)=869.25
October 1, 2011 8:33:40 PM

Haserath said:
Alright, if you don't need the OS upgrade that extra $200 or so would move you up into the HD 6950.

The mobo I picked out only allows for 1 GPU as the other Pci-e slot will be limited to x4, which isn't enough bandwidth for these cards anymore. But I also don't recommend dual GPU setups, you have to deal with some of the hiccups caused from having two(they're usually more glitchy than one), and there is 'micro-stutter' that can really become noticeable when the frames are getting low. I haven't used dual gpu's myself, but after hearing about it, I wouldn't want to.

In fact, here's an article on dual GPU's and stuttering/scaling for you:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

If you still want to try it, I'll see what I can do.
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I tried to fit in a GTX 570 or HD 6970 into your budget, but that puts it a little over and the 6950 is much better price for performance anyway.

I think that once BF3 is out of Beta there should be some FPS increases from driver updates. As I said before, the 6950 is somewhat able to play the Beta at max settings in 1080p. It's smooth, but it gets slow. I also haven't updated to the latest driver that AMD put out for BF3, which might help already. I think the only single card that can really play this well(keeping it above 40 minimum) is the GTX 580, but that thing is in a whole other price range.

New GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Price:
$795.91+57.70(tax)+15.64(shipping)=869.25


I've looked into the 580, because like I said, I just really want a gaming PC like my friends and my dads, where they can run any game at max settings at 40+ Fps. I've conjured that with the 580 would bring it up to 1,046$, not including shipping, tax, all that stuff.

Now at that point should I suck it up and save a bit more for a Intel CPU as I've been leaning more torwards? Intel is more $ but I think I'd be worth it in the end and at that, is there a major difference between the 570 and the 580?

Oh and thank you for all you've done for me so far, I'm a bit lost as I've never made myself a computer before ;) 
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October 1, 2011 10:00:12 PM

natebot88 said:
I've looked into the 580, because like I said, I just really want a gaming PC like my friends and my dads, where they can run any game at max settings at 40+ Fps. I've conjured that with the 580 would bring it up to 1,046$, not including shipping, tax, all that stuff.

Now at that point should I suck it up and save a bit more for a Intel CPU as I've been leaning more torwards? Intel is more $ but I think I'd be worth it in the end and at that, is there a major difference between the 570 and the 580?

Oh and thank you for all you've done for me so far, I'm a bit lost as I've never made myself a computer before ;) 

The problem with GPU hardware is that as you get into the higher end; the worse price for performance you get most of the time. Along with the worse price for performance, you also get big, power hungry, hot cards that really aren't worth it. Too bad the only way to have BF3 running smooth at its max is to get a high end card, and that might not even be fast enough!

The difference between the 570 and the 580 is about 20%. Definitely not worth the 50% price hike for the top card.
Some benches:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf1...

As of right now, the cpu side actually scales very well from the Phenom II 955 to the 2500k for the performance you get, only if that performance can be used. Games really tax the GPU more than the cpu most of the time, so this performance delta of the 2500k(the lowest priced Intel I would go for due to overclockability) would probably be much smaller than the 50% you could possibly have from the better processor. I do think that the Intel is the best way to go, it's just my preference to have better performance per core; the 955 would be decent enough for games and would allow you to turn graphics up as that is usually up to the graphics card, but it's just nice to have the extra processing power.

Waiting a few more weeks also opens up more options, because Bulldozer is supposed to be out sometime soon.

It's really no problem at all! Just helping out! ;) 
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October 1, 2011 10:12:40 PM

natebot88 said:
By awesome computer I mean I would like to put something together that can run a game like this PC can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7xyUACuqmI

Crysis is actually still one of the monsters in gaming only usurped by Metro 2033 and maybe soon by BF3.

You will be able to play most games out now and many coming out on max, but on these graphics beasts you might have to compromise. I would say the GTX 570 will be able to handle that decently, but I'm not certain.

The next release of cards from both AMD and Nvidia will be coming out in Q1 2012; trying to max out every setting sure costs a ton of cash. :( 
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October 1, 2011 10:18:08 PM

natebot88 said:
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6XjcATnWvU&feature=rela...
Intel Q9550 (4X2.83GHz) (Core 2 Quad and I believe the 4x means multicore)

Yes, core 2 quads are 4 cores (thus the quad).

The Core 2 series is a little ahead of a Phenom II performance wise clock for clock, but as you can see, the game plays fine with a 2.83ghz Core 2 Quad while the Phenom II could be overclocked to 4ghz or more and you can tweak it's performance to be very close clock for clock to the Core 2.

Crysis 2 actually plays smoother than Crysis. Most games should be more like Crysis 2 than Crysis on hardware where a GTX 570 should handle the job quite nicely.
October 1, 2011 10:20:33 PM

Haserath said:
The problem with GPU hardware is that as you get into the higher end; the worse price for performance you get most of the time. Along with the worse price for performance, you also get big, power hungry, hot cards that really aren't worth it. Too bad the only way to have BF3 running smooth at its max is to get a high end card, and that might not even be fast enough!

The difference between the 570 and the 580 is about 20%. Definitely not worth the 50% price hike for the top card.
Some benches:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf1...

As of right now, the cpu side actually scales very well from the Phenom II 955 to the 2500k for the performance you get, only if that performance can be used. Games really tax the GPU more than the cpu most of the time, so this performance delta of the 2500k(the lowest priced Intel I would go for due to overclockability) would probably be much smaller than the 50% you could possibly have from the better processor. I do think that the Intel is the best way to go, it's just my preference to have better performance per core; the 955 would be decent enough for games and would allow you to turn graphics up as that is usually up to the graphics card, but it's just nice to have the extra processing power.

Waiting a few more weeks also opens up more options, because Bulldozer is supposed to be out sometime soon.

It's really no problem at all! Just helping out! ;) 

Don't quite understand what Bulldozer is...
Anyway, my guess I'll go with an i5 or i7 with a GTX580- Pricey and I'm sure I don't understand that there are better options, but I do like my name brands and I'm sure they would be worth the overclockability.

To put things in terms of what gameplay I'm really looking for, here's a video on YouTube I found featuring a GTX 580. Look at the description and his specs-
Intel Q9550 (4X2.83GHz)
Does that mean he has 4 Core 2 Quad's or it's just a multicore? Because if it's just one Core 2 Quad, I'd need a 64 bit OS along with 4 more gb's of RAM to be able to get the same graphics out of a game like that (or come close to that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6XjcATnWvU&feature=rela...
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October 1, 2011 10:44:06 PM

natebot88 said:
Don't quite understand what Bulldozer is...
Anyway, my guess I'll go with an i5 or i7 with a GTX580- Pricey and I'm sure I don't understand that there are better options, but I do like my name brands and I'm sure they would be worth the overclockability.

To put things in terms of what gameplay I'm really looking for, here's a video on YouTube I found featuring a GTX 580. Look at the description and his specs-
Intel Q9550 (4X2.83GHz)
Does that mean he has 4 Core 2 Quad's or it's just a multicore? Because if it's just one Core 2 Quad, I'd need a 64 bit OS along with 4 more gb's of RAM to be able to get the same graphics out of a game like that (or come close to that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMJb3f6MBI&feature=rela...

No, he just means one Core 2 Quad. That processor has 4 cores.

Ram does not matter as long as you have enough to have enough for everything to run at once, meaning the Game and the OS depending on how much they take. Ram does not affect performance at all right now. 4 Gigabytes is decent enough to run the OS and a game like Crysis 2, but you would run out very quickly if you had quite a few tabs open in a browser, the game open, and maybe something else on the side taking up a decent amount of ram.

The only reason to get a 64-bit OS is for the extra Ram you can use. The limit on 32-bit programs is 4GB of ram usage each. This is a limitation of 32-bit, and it can't be fixed. Windows on the other hand could be, but w/e they limit their 32-bit OS to 4GB too.

For right now, Capacity is all that matters, NOT speed for Memory and only because you don't want to run out of room!

Btw, if the game is not programmed to make use of all 4 cores of these 4 core processors, the cores will not be used. It is up to the developer how many cores will be used, but it is hard to get the game to use more threads so don't blame them for not using your new quad core fully. ;) 

Edit: Bulldozer is AMD's next processor that should be coming out soon. It could put up decent competition to the core i5/i7 lineup.
October 1, 2011 10:53:53 PM

Haserath said:
No, he just means one Core 2 Quad. That processor has 4 cores.

Ram does not matter as long as you have enough to have enough for everything to run at once, meaning the Game and the OS depending on how much they take. Ram does not affect performance at all right now. 4 Gigabytes is decent enough to run the OS and a game like Crysis 2, but you would run out very quickly if you had quite a few tabs open in a browser, the game open, and maybe something else on the side taking up a decent amount of ram.

The only reason to get a 64-bit OS is for the extra Ram you can use. The limit on 32-bit programs is 4GB of ram usage each. This is a limitation of 32-bit, and it can't be fixed. Windows on the other hand could be, but w/e they limit their 32-bit OS to 4GB too.

For right now, Capacity is all that matters, NOT speed for Memory and only because you don't want to run out of room!

Btw, if the game is not programmed to make use of all 4 cores of these 4 core processors, the cores will not be used. It is up to the developer how many cores will be used, but it is hard to get the game to use more threads so don't blame them for not using your new quad core fully. ;) 


Right then do you have a suggestion on which precessor to go with? 4 gigs (RAM) sounds fine to me, and I'd most likley overclock whichever processor I get if it's a bit too slow for me.
I mean that was one hell of a video tht guy put of for a processor not even in the i line- Then again alot of the chrunching goes to the GPU.
And as I said, I am basically sold on the GTX 580.
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October 2, 2011 12:16:42 AM

natebot88 said:
Right then do you have a suggestion on which precessor to go with? 4 gigs (RAM) sounds fine to me, and I'd most likley overclock whichever processor I get if it's a bit too slow for me.
I mean that was one hell of a video tht guy put of for a processor not even in the i line- Then again alot of the chrunching goes to the GPU.
And as I said, I am basically sold on the GTX 580.

Ok, I guess the 580 it is. :sweat: 

Just a warning, they do run pretty hot and take up a ton of electricity. I would get a card with an aftermarket cooler already on it just to keep it cooler and quieter than the stock cooler.

For gaming the Phenom II 955 overclocked to 4ghz or so will be able to handle a single GTX 580. That saves about $150 over an i5 2500k build.

4 Gigs of ram should also save some money over the 8 gigs I had chosen.

***And learn about overclocking before you do it! You can damage any component if you overclock wrong! It is really easy once you know what does what, but if you push something too far, it will kill the component!***
October 2, 2011 12:26:35 AM

Righto- I just really like Intel and trust them alot. Electricity won't be a problem, and 4 gigs will probibly be enough until I upgrade to 64 bit, after whch I should upgrade to 8 gigs.
I ask again- what do you suggest as a good processor? I need to start finding parts now, my laptop is on it's final legs- It's always has hade a heating problem, Bsod's, and now It'll randomly restart itself.
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October 2, 2011 2:39:46 AM

natebot88 said:
Righto- I just really like Intel and trust them alot. Electricity won't be a problem, and 4 gigs will probibly be enough until I upgrade to 64 bit, after whch I should upgrade to 8 gigs.
I ask again- what do you suggest as a good processor? I need to start finding parts now, my laptop is on it's final legs- It's always has hade a heating problem, Bsod's, and now It'll randomly restart itself.

They're both good companies anyway(hope I don't get yelled at for that :p  ). It's just all about price for performance.

If you can afford it, spring for the i5 2500k.

If you want to save some money and go with good enough, go with the Phenom II 955.

Both will provide good framerates, the 2500k will be better in everything, some things only a little, some things quite a bit.

Personally, I would go for the 2500k. It will last longer than the 955, and it's got good price for performance where it's at. It's a peace of mind type of thing.
October 2, 2011 3:02:31 AM

Haserath said:
They're both good companies anyway(hope I don't get yelled at for that :p  ). It's just all about price for performance.

If you can afford it, spring for the i5 2500k.

If you want to save some money and go with good enough, go with the Phenom II 955.

Both will provide good framerates, the 2500k will be better in everything, some things only a little, some things quite a bit.

Personally, I would go for the 2500k. It will last longer than the 955, and it's got good price for performance where it's at. It's a peace of mind type of thing.

Wow I can get an i5 2500k for 219$ on Newegg, aswell as a GTX 580 for 489 on Newegg also. Thank you very much- now to find a suitable motherboard, PSU, sockets, aye!
Would that motherboard you linked me to earlier work well with the CPU and GPU? My dad has an asus Motherboard and it hasen't failed him yet.
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October 2, 2011 4:18:21 AM

natebot88 said:
Wow I can get an i5 2500k for 219$ on Newegg, aswell as a GTX 580 for 489 on Newegg also. Thank you very much- now to find a suitable motherboard, PSU, sockets, aye!
Would that motherboard you linked me to earlier work well with the CPU and GPU? My dad has an asus Motherboard and it hasen't failed him yet.

No, the motherboard I linked earlier was for AMD's processors.

You will have to use a motherboard with an 1155 socket. These are usually more expensive than AMD's motherboards as well.

Also the 8GB a ram won't be needed, and can be replaced with 4GB of ram.

I have Asus in my build running this comp; it hasn't had any problems at all, and has a pretty nice BIOS(the settings, used for overclocking and other stuff).

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those look to be both pretty decent. This board will also limit you to only one card, but I don't think you will be getting another GTX 580 anytime soon. ;) 
October 2, 2011 4:29:59 AM

Haserath said:
No, the motherboard I linked earlier was for AMD's processors.

You will have to use a motherboard with an 1155 socket. These are usually more expensive than AMD's motherboards as well.

Also the 8GB a ram won't be needed, and can be replaced with 4GB of ram.

I have Asus in my build running this comp; it hasn't had any problems at all, and has a pretty nice BIOS(the settings, used for overclocking and other stuff).

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those look to be both pretty decent. This board will also limit you to only one card, but I don't think you will be getting another GTX 580 anytime soon. ;) 

My god I didn't know memory went for THAT cheap! I was expecting about 100$ out of my pocket for 4 gigs but 30$ is a steal! Now that link for the mobo is giving me a 404 on Newegg, what is the name of the product so I can search for it?
And once again I really can't thank you enough for all the help you keep on giving, I mean you've helped me pick out a CPU, GPU, RAM, Case, MB, I guess next would be a disk drive which you left a link for on your initial build so that would be it I think!
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October 2, 2011 4:47:33 AM

FinneousPJ said:
A $600 budget isn't enough for i7. It's not even enough for a proper i5 build. I suggest looking at the latest $500 System Builder's Marathon (AMD) and going from there.



$600 is fine for an i5 build. i5-2400 is easily n reach of $600. I did it in April. You can still do it today:

i5-2400: $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AS Rock H61M-U3S3: $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.skill 8 GB DDR3-1333: $41.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate 1 TB HDD: $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung DVD burner: $16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill R101 micro ATX case: $29.99 (free shipping w. Promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill 120mm blue LED fan: $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Masscool 80mm fan: $2.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GTX 560 w. Free Batman: $184.99 w/ $10 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It'll fit in this case

total: $604.91
October 2, 2011 4:52:05 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
$600 is fine for an i5 build. i5-2400 is easily n reach of $600. I did it in April. You can still do it today:

i5-2400: $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AS Rock H61M-U3S3: $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.skill 8 GB DDR3-1333: $41.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate 1 TB HDD: $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung DVD burner: $16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill R101 micro ATX case: $29.99 (free shipping w. Promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill 120mm blue LED fan: $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Masscool 80mm fan: $2.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GTX 560 w. Free Batman: $184.99 w/ $10 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It'll fit in this case

total: $604.91


Well actually I've found the right parts for me and though I'll be going up to 1,000$, it'll be well worth it.
Thank you very much though, I'll probibly end up using some of the parts you linked (Fans, Optical drives, etc)
!